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#27 Mar 18 2011 at 1:36 AM Rating: Decent
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I honestly think the original rules, for the most part, covered it pretty well.
I do like the note about content, and I like the limiting of one survey/time, but other than that, it really seems like there were enough hoops to jump through for people conducting them.

They still have to get admin approval for content, and users always have the option of participating or not. There's nothing stopping admins from turning down the ridiculous ones, or people choosing not to take part because of something they don't agree with, or whatever.
It also seems a bit silly to need to belong to a group already in order to get the information you need, in my opinion. Many surveys are going to require a lot of participants, and it seems a little excessive to require the person conducting the survey to be a member for a long period of time, or have a certain number of posts under their belt.


This, really. Some legit student may actually be looking for gaming sites for information gathering, and would be completely turned away with the new rules. I think there should be a tighter leash around them popping up, but I don't think that is the answer.
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#28 Mar 18 2011 at 4:20 AM Rating: Good
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The main problem with most of the surveys is that they're so badly done and unoriginal.
I'd have no issue with filling out an interesting survey but if it's only questions like "how much do you play" "has it affected your real life" and more of that which looks like it's been thrown together in half an hour, if that.


Case in point, the one about some clothing designer sort of person who posted a survey, I thought it had a lot of potential as a survey about people's opinion on geardesign in games is original but instead there were just a few very standard questions.
#29 Mar 18 2011 at 12:31 PM Rating: Decent
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
A survey may only be posted by someone with premium membership or at least 500 posts and or 3 months active posting in the forums. Exceptions may be made for anyone willing to donate to charity instead of purchaseing premium, however proof of donation would be required.

This addressed my concerns. I was worried about the actual contributors to the forum who would have been excluded because they couldn't pay for premium. I have no problem with people who are not part of the community having to pay for premium.



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#30 Mar 18 2011 at 12:49 PM Rating: Decent
I dislike random surveys as much as the next poster, but this seems a bit... draconian. Doesn't affect me either way though, so whatever.
#31 Mar 18 2011 at 3:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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I dislike random surveys as much as the next poster, but this seems a bit... draconian. Doesn't affect me either way though, so whatever.


It is. my thought was to put together the most restrictive ruleset and then adjust it based on feedback here.
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#32 Mar 18 2011 at 4:04 PM Rating: Decent
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The main problem with most of the surveys is that they're so badly done and unoriginal.
I'd have no issue with filling out an interesting survey but if it's only questions like "how much do you play" "has it affected your real life" and more of that which looks like it's been thrown together in half an hour, if that.


Case in point, the one about some clothing designer sort of person who posted a survey, I thought it had a lot of potential as a survey about people's opinion on geardesign in games is original but instead there were just a few very standard questions.


If the survey is for research purposes, the same standard questions can have different implications, and at the very least the standard questions are required anyway. It's pretty typical that most of the questions are gathering demographic data while only one or two questions address the thing being studied. It may not make the survey very interesting to take, but it's still useful.
#33 Mar 18 2011 at 11:16 PM Rating: Good
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It may not make the survey very interesting to take, but it's still useful.


Well, it would be if the survey itself were useful. Too many of them are academic ************ to allow everyone in the process to claim that the person completed a thesis. Very rarely, one comes along and there is a real reason they are researching MMOs, one can often see that in the way they handle things. Those posters seem to get fairly positive feedback; however, the flocks of idiots are enough to discourage one from feeling overly helpful.

Thin out the idiots and everyone, including the survey posters, will be likely to have a better experience.

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Case in point, the one about some clothing designer sort of person who posted a survey,


I would say that was one of the academic ************ ones.

#34 Mar 19 2011 at 3:12 AM Rating: Good
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Case in point, the one about some clothing designer sort of person who posted a survey,
I would say that was one of the academic ************ ones.
Very much so, shame too since it had potential to be interesting.

And I know the surveys need the standard questions in it, but when they have nothing but the standard questions, often badly phrased and riddled with grammar and spelling errors it kind of shows a complete lack of effort from the survey poster and that's what annoys me.
#35 Mar 19 2011 at 6:59 AM Rating: Good
I'd say if the email address is .edu (or some international equivalent) and the link doesn't have a virus, green light it. If the survey is foolish, or not useful, then the karma system will take care of the rest.
#36 Mar 19 2011 at 10:27 PM Rating: Good
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I'd say if the email address is .edu (or some international equivalent) and the link doesn't have a virus, green light it. If the survey is foolish, or not useful, then the karma system will take care of the rest.


To be honest, this site is meant to be a fansite, not a data pool for random academics with surveys.

And while the latest surveys have been kinda nice (as in: I didn't moan when I read the questions), they're still little more than advertisement. They're not trying to sell us a boob job or a thousand gold, but they still want us to click a link and their relevance to the site in general is minimal.

I understand the need for surveys and stuff (I did some myself a couple of months back), but there are other ways to do them than to dump a link on a fansite. It's not like blocking surveys from ZAM will cripple the academic world.
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#37 Mar 20 2011 at 1:42 AM Rating: Good
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It's not important really, but I'm kinda curious as to how that poll breaks down by game forum the respondents frequent.
#38 Mar 21 2011 at 1:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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I didn't read the entire thread, too sick, sorry. Since Kao deals with the survey stuff anyway, I don't see why he couldn't post the ones he approves, that way you know he approved it. And if it gets posted by a user, you know it didn't. Just a thought, don't kill me Kao!
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I'm doing an approved study right now, and it started out fine--questions about how we interact with guildies/what role they play in our emotional lives, etc.

Then, a few pages in, it's all about how depressed we are, whether or not WoW has ruined our lives, etc. Fine, I get it--you want to know the situation of the person who's giving you these responses. You need to know if they rely totally on their guildies because they've lost all their RL friends. Fine. But one or two questions would suffice for those purposes (example: "Do you feel that you spend too much time playing games?" and "Have you had to make sacrifices in your personal life to play games?"). You only spend 3 pages of survey questions asking about that if you are actually studying it. And it's getting old.

I say surveys that make slight references to gaming addiction are fine--it's likely necessary to evaluate their results if they are asking about things like interpersonal relations and gaming. Anything spending a large amount of time on it shouldn't be approved.
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#40 Mar 26 2011 at 8:11 PM Rating: Decent
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My thoughts are that if they are doing an approved study they should send Kaolian a copy of their IRB or their instructors information so he can verify that it is class related and APPROVED.
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