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#1 May 23 2010 at 4:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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There has been a lot of discussion on adblock and our rule of not allowing discussion of it.

We'll remove the rule, but I'd like to explain why the rule was put into place and the reasoning behind it.

As I'm sure most of you know the primary method of revenue generation for most websites is advertising. We very much fall into this category - while we do offer a premium service, advertising still is key to allowing this website to continue running. Without getting into specifics, we would have to cut a very large number of the staff that work here without ads.

The way the internet is right now sites that are advertising-supported are really hurting - people started adblocking so advertisers started doing more and more shady things which in turn drives even more people to use adblocking software… endless cycle. Sites that actually have very strict rules about what ads they allow end up getting stuck in the middle as more people use adblock and don't whitelist individual sites.

It's a very valid point that running adblock and noscript are important parts of protecting your MMO account, there are a lot of very shady ads out there. However, by running adblock and not at least whitelisting your favorite sites, you're really hurting them and the people who work on them.

I can only speak for us, but we have a very detailed system in place to make sure no ads which contain spyware or viruses ever get through. In the past 3 years we've had 1 slip, which lasted for under 1 hour before it was caught and corrected, and after that happened we revised our policies almost entirely.

I'd also like to address skinning, since it has been a hot topic as of late with the skin on FFXI. Skins are going to happen, and will continue to happen. This is unfortunately also directly related to programs like adblock - the more ads are blocked the worse statistics look and advertisers are not happy with them so they want bigger and flashier. With the exact same traffic and advertising placements the revenue from this year vs. 3 years ago would be much lower. We're forced to adapt to new advertising methods in order to keep the staff and grow the site.

Ultimately what I'm getting to is I'm sorry the rule was put in place, it was a mistake. If you actually like our sites (and other sites around the net you visit), please consider whitelisting them. As an alternative, many sites do have a premium service (including us) as another method of support.

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#2 May 23 2010 at 6:32 AM Rating: Excellent
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Thank you very much for the explanation, it helps put things into perspective.

I think, however, that this post should have been where you guys started. All we want is communication and transparency from the administration, so if you guys had said "Ok, could you do us all a huge favour and whitelist alla because of X, Y, Z. We will ensure the ads are safe via X, Y, Z" the community response would have been much more reasonable.

Just strolling in and saying "BTW, talk about this is banned and punishable by moderation" was a heavy-handed and inconsiderate stance to take, especially seeing none of the admins could/would give a detailed explanation. If you're honest and sincere with us, we will be with you, and we will support this site and this community. That's all, really.
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#3 May 23 2010 at 7:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'd also like to express my gratitude. While I agree with the above poster that this would have been better implemented first rather than later, it takes a lot out of a company to admit a mistake (even a well intended one such as trying to save their crew's jobs.) And resend a previous policy change simply due to popular demand. It goes a long way to remind us that we are still valued as your customer base and our opinions. In a world of ever growing shady tactics from companies, that means a lot.

And while I do despise the use of skin advertisements I suppose a compromise is in order on my end too. I look forward to my new smiles and avatars anyways.
#4 May 23 2010 at 8:50 AM Rating: Excellent
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Thanks for this! I feel a lot better about this site now, since I know I don't normally see apologies/explanations behind wonky rules in other sites I frequent. I know I said this in the other thread, but I've whitelisted this site, and hope others do the same. Maybe in the future I'll consider premium, once I get another job. The ecomony bites right now. >.<
#5 May 23 2010 at 10:04 AM Rating: Good
Thanks. We all appreciate this.

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I think, however, that this post should have been where you guys started. All we want is communication and transparency from the administration, so if you guys had said "Ok, could you do us all a huge favour and whitelist alla because of X, Y, Z. We will ensure the ads are safe via X, Y, Z" the community response would have been much more reasonable.
The rule was added more than two months ago, and most people on the ffxi boards weren't aware of it until yesterday. I don't think major rules like this should ever be added without informing people of them. And of course if you simply asked people to whitelist the site from the start, explaining what you did here, you'd have saw a huge increase in ad revenue by the next day. Unfortunately now the damage has already been done, and you'll likely have people that would have whitelisted alla, but won't now because you tried making some ridiculous rule that would have had a very minimal effect, instead of simply asking people to whitelist the site (if i didn't have premium i'd be one of them). I'm sure you'll also lose a number of premium subscriptions because of this.

Sometimes it really is more profitable to consider your customers over your wallet.
#6 May 23 2010 at 10:38 AM Rating: Excellent
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So it's okay to recommend AdBlock to newbies with security issues again?

Time to turn on auto-renew. It's all I wanted. Smiley: smile

Edited, May 23rd 2010 6:48pm by Mazra
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#7 May 23 2010 at 11:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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That's all I needed to hear. Consider yourselves whitelisted.
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#8 May 23 2010 at 12:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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The thing is, most of us understand (at least a little bit about) internet economics. We understand that sites need to pay their bills and we understand that ads are an effective way of bringing in money (okay actually I don't understand that, but since every website on the net uses ads they must know something I don't, so I'm willing to just accept it on principle.) There are always going to be people that use things like Adblock in the same sense that, no matter how good a movie or video game is, there are always going to be people that pirate it. And the best way to increase this sort of undesirable activity is to forbid talk about it or to make it "harder" to break. Look at the music DRM wars of the past decade - consumers flatly won that one when they no longer have to buy a CD for $20 and can download individual songs for like 60 cents each. Look at the computer game Spore's history - it was said that it had an unbreakable DRM and it was cracked within days, if not hours, and became one of the most pirated games of all time largely due to the outrage of people not wanting to deal with the ridiculous DRM.

You can't win on the internet through force, because all it takes is a few clever coders to undermine what you're trying to do and then spread it around to the masses. You can only win on the internet through goodwill and community support, since a lot less people will want to sabotage a place they like and support. Companies that traffic a lot online are slowly wising up to this fact and I hope Alla is now among them.

In any event, I'm not going to belabor the point; apologies and rule reversions are infrequent enough on the internet for me to not want to push the upper hand. Apology accepted and thank you for seeing our side of things.
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