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#152 May 03 2006 at 7:31 PM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
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Maybe its because Allakhazam has every right to sell the company that he owns and you should all shut the **** up about it.
I won't rate you down but I will question your notion that the paying customers of a service shouldn't criticize the business decisions of the service for which they're paying.

How does a group normally show a company they are unhappy with how they are being run? Go do a picket line outside alla's house or IGE headquarters, or boycott by cancelling your subscriptions, but don't just whine on a messageboard
#153 May 03 2006 at 7:31 PM Rating: Good
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He's laughting all the way to the bank.

It's been a blast, but we should have known for enough money we'd be sold out. Please change the "Defender of Justice" label to something more practical and monetary.

And Czae, thanks you for putting your comments on the EQ site because I hadn't paid attention to the sticky yet. Gah, I'm slow.

Oh, and when we find a new home for our EQ posting, will someone tell me, because I have been known to miss the obvious from time to time.

Edited, Wed May 3 21:01:52 2006 by Kelti
#154 May 03 2006 at 7:31 PM Rating: Good
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&Yes, if you won't respond to any other threads but the official, where the hell are you?
#155 May 03 2006 at 7:32 PM Rating: Good
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Got a question here. I apologize if I missed this somewhere along the line, I read the entire thread but never found this piece of info...

You keep referring to "the company that owns a lot of stuff, including IGE." I'm curious what the name of this mystery-company is? I guess it doesn't make a huge difference, but I can't help but wonder why nobody has come out and said the name of the company yet.

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Marlboro does not chase after cookie eaters.

Because smoking advertisements NEVER target young people :P

Sorry, lol couldn't help myself, just playing with ya Farl XD

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#156 May 03 2006 at 7:34 PM Rating: Decent
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It's stickied on many forums and on the front page, you don't have to read down far on any of them to see the topic explode as we're all taken off guard by this move. I understand why people are angry but until I get all the facts and understand this completely I'm not going to fly off the handle.

Edit: Spelling FTW! ><;;

Edited, Wed May 3 20:42:14 2006 by GryphonStalker
#157 May 03 2006 at 7:35 PM Rating: Default
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I'm not so much angry as I am sad... Smiley: cry


Good, now go kill yourself fat a[Azure][/Azure]ss.



Edited, Wed May 3 20:38:49 2006 by Aegis


You're such a ********* <3.
#158 May 03 2006 at 7:35 PM Rating: Good
Darkuwa wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
Darkuwa wrote:
Maybe its because Allakhazam has every right to sell the company that he owns and you should all shut the **** up about it.
I won't rate you down but I will question your notion that the paying customers of a service shouldn't criticize the business decisions of the service for which they're paying.

How does a group normally show a company they are unhappy with how they are being run? Go do a picket line outside alla's house or IGE headquarters, or boycott by cancelling your subscriptions, but don't just whine on a messageboard


You boycott at the place where the wrong is done. When a union boycotts a store they picket outside the store.

We post from our houses, on the "messageboard". We don't have anything to do with his house (at least I don't) nor do we know where the hell he lives.

~Blix
#159 May 03 2006 at 7:36 PM Rating: Decent
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Agronon wrote:
Farl, you are not too bright if you truly believe that marlborol doesn't market to cookie eaters. The bulk of their marketing goes after those very people. Just an FYI, you lose credibility when you are flat out dumb.
Fact: smoking reduces hunger

Fact: people who aren't hungry don't eat as many snacks

Conclusion: cigarettes hurt snack food companys

Conclusion #2: snack food companys would not want to sell cigarettes, as it would hurt their bussiness


Fact: many smokers like to smoke after eating

Supposition: it would help a cigarette company to get people to eat more snacks
#160 May 03 2006 at 7:37 PM Rating: Good
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Darkuwa wrote:
How does a group normally show a company they are unhappy with how they are being run?
First step? Generally a letter or a phone call to the company. If I was upset with Sears, it'd make more sense for me to first contact someone from Sears before I start mobilizing the picketlines.

See the connection yet?

Edit: Actually, to make it more personal seeing as how many of us have been talking to Alla and the other Admins for years, if you were unhappy with what your favorite bar or coffeeshop was up to, you'd probably drop in and tell the owner directly before you chained yourself to his front door and started chanting slogans. I'd hope so, anyway.

Edited, Wed May 3 20:40:34 2006 by Jophiel
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#161 May 03 2006 at 7:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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I used to post a lot back in the FFXI days, now I post maybe once every 30 days or so, if even that much. I kept premium active simply because I use the site and wanted to help keep it around. Like you stated yourself, you now have the financial backing to do what you want.

I canceled my renewal, not because you don't need my money, but because you've turned your back on the very people that helped build this site into the powerhouse that it is, the community.

I'll still use the site for my own purposes, but I'm certainly not going to contribute anymore.
#162 May 03 2006 at 7:37 PM Rating: Good
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GryphonStalker wrote:
It's stickied on many forums and on the front page, you don't have to read down far on any of them to see the topic explode as we're all taken off guard by this move. I understand why people are angry but until I get all the facts and understand this completely I'm not going to fly off the handle.

Edit: Spelling FTW! ><;;

Edited, Wed May 3 20:42:14 2006 by GryphonStalker
Your point being? Most people aren't gonna read something that seems to just be a merging of sites, if they read it or even notice it.



I know I didn't notice the zam.com sticky.




#163 May 03 2006 at 7:40 PM Rating: Decent
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So alla/IGE are owned by the same guy now? How can you sleep at night? j/k but still a foul move that I disapprove of =(
#164 May 03 2006 at 7:40 PM Rating: Good
When I first began reading I thought the move was a good decision based on what I knew at the time. I have since found out that the purchasing company owns IGE. I am not quite sure what to think about all of this especially being a premium member. I have always been against gilselling, gilbuying, account selling etc, and now the money that I spend on the site is going into the pockets of the very people I refuse to acknowledge.

I cannot call Allakhazam a sell out because he built this website himself, so what he does with it is truly his decision. But as a paying customer to the site I am whole-heartedly against this. This site has always had zero tolerance for RMT and the adds that they "cunningly" post here, but now what's the point?

We might as well all go buy some gil. Because we more or less just have Smiley: cry R.I.P. Allakhazam.com
#165 May 03 2006 at 7:41 PM Rating: Good
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IGE can have forum=6969....


#166 May 03 2006 at 7:42 PM Rating: Decent
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Shi[Beige][/Beige]t. From the moment I read the words "Thottbot" and "Ogaming network" I knew we were in trouble.

It's been a nice ride.

My premium was recently renewed... but the auto-renewal is now turned off. I'm not going to leave right away. I'm going to wait and see how this develops. Maybe, if Alla becomes more convincing and enough premium features are added... I might stay. But as it is now, I'm not happy one bit.

All good things must come to an end. /mourn Alla.
#167 May 03 2006 at 7:43 PM Rating: Good
I've been around, like many, since the EQ days. At the time, this was THE site to get information. It was fairly fast, free and wasn't covered with advertising. Eventually some features of the site were cut off and limited to premium users; I assume that this was because the site was suffering financially or because it wanted to progress further. That's great.

Not too long after they added multiple games though, the advertising on this site became unbearable. Funnily enough, premium removed this. Killing two birds with one stone? Not only did they get money from advertisements on their site, but if you wanted to get rid of them, you had to pay them anyway. Still, good source of information.

With the release of World of Warcraft, Allakhazam had intense competition, Thottbot. Thottbot is essentially what Allakhazam used to be, without the community. (Which I personally don't care much for, I get my fix of morons in real life.)

At the moment, I use Thottbot almost exclusively. The only time I don't use it is when there are 'unlinked' quests and I have to find the beginning of the chain. The sad thing is that I now dread going to what used to be such a great site, I even have to go into my browser options and make sure that javascript isn't enabled before going to it.

I don't really know the point I'm trying to make, except that this is sad.
#168 May 03 2006 at 7:43 PM Rating: Decent
Where are you, Allakhazam? Please, reply. Give us answers.

~Blix
#169 May 03 2006 at 7:45 PM Rating: Good
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I work for a small development company. 6 years ago during the big web boom we were purchased by AutoDesk's web division. For those who don't know, they make AutoCAD, and are one of the bigger software companies in the world.

Everything was cool for a few months. We had big celebration dinners, stock, etc. Everything from the "parent" went through my boss, the original owner and creator of my company at first. He was a stand up guy and we didn't put up with too much bull.

Then suddenly I was tasked to write a server to offload our emailing to. Not only did that not make much sense in our product, but then I was told I had to use this really odd third party networking package. So, I had to go back to the drawing board and completely re-write a piece of our system that already worked. It ended up being slower and making no sense.

Shortly after that, the web went south, and all hell broke loose. I had people from San Francisco calling me directly telling me what I could and couldn't do, and eventually there was a mass lay-off.

Long story short. **** will be rosy and pink for a while, but eventually the devil comes to collect his dues.

Lotan
#170 May 03 2006 at 7:45 PM Rating: Decent
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I can't talk about the company that bought us because that information is still confidential, and until they release that confidentiality the subject is off limits. They may well be trying to buy other sites or businesses as far as I know and want to save up for a full blown press release. This announcement is being made here and now because we want to get on with merging the network together and obviously have to tell people about it before we do.

For those wondering why I am not posting a lot, it is because 99% of the posts so far are really more comments not requiring an answer (though you are welcome to say whatever you want) and the few questions have been answered in my previous responses.
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#171 May 03 2006 at 7:47 PM Rating: Decent
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Allakhazam Defender of Justice wrote:
For those wondering why I am not posting a lot, it is because 99% of the posts so far are really more comments not requiring an answer (though you are welcome to say whatever you want) and the few questions have been answered in my previous responses.


My question has not been answered.

Can you or can you not back out and maintain ownership of allakhazam.com if your parent company tells you to do something that you don't like?

Now if I'm blind, someone please point me in the right direction where this was answered previously.
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#172 May 03 2006 at 7:49 PM Rating: Decent
Allakhazam, this is a question.



Tomec the Wise wrote:


Linky

also, what alla posted in there (in case you don't want to follow it >_>)

Allakhazam Defender of Justice wrote:
Interesting. I've know IGE owned Thottbot for quite a while now, but didn't want to post about it. I knew they were advertising on ogaming at one point, but didn't realize they had bought them outright. IGE tried to buy us a while ago and when we refused to have anything to do with them vowed to create a network to rival ours. Looks like they are on their way to doing so. I suggest you spread the word so others know about this too. I know people playing EQ2 would be interested in this info too.


I will say one thing though, at least Allakhazam is still staying on to develope and manage this new network it sounds like... the big question is just how much power will you have over what goes into it...

Edited, Wed May 3 19:40:11 2006 by Tomec


So, what happened?

~Blix


Edited, Wed May 3 20:56:15 2006 by TheBlix
#173 May 03 2006 at 7:50 PM Rating: Good
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As a casual member off and on due to real life getting in the way, I'm not sure how I feel about this. I have been playing EQ and EQ2 and thus visiting Alla's off and on for about 2 yrs now. I like Alla's for both the game info/content (for EQ at least) but more so for the community. I have met some wonderful peeps here whose opinions and personalities I adore. I guess the bottom line is that I'll wait to give my final opinion on the "sellout" until after I see what changes are made and how this impacts us all...
#174 May 03 2006 at 7:50 PM Rating: Good
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Then, let me boil mine down.

What is the value add for this company purchasing Allakhazam if they can't use it sell thier own merchandise, or the merchandise of another of thier divisions?
#175 May 03 2006 at 7:50 PM Rating: Good
Allakhazam, answer me one question, straight up. If I keep my premium membership, and keep paying you money, will it in any way help support IGE or any other RMT group?

What I mean is this. Will any profits from your division support or prop up the division supporting RMT. Will any penny I give you be, in any way whatsoever, used to support the growing business of companies like IGE. Can you give me a 100% guarantee that my dollar will not support these scum that prey on the players of these games. Can you say to me, without reservation, that I will not be doing anything to support their business.

I will tell you bluntly, if you cannot guarantee me this, my premium membership will be cancelled. The reason I make this site my home is its strong anti-RMT stance, like many other posters. If you have even a slight doubt in your mind about this, let me know, so I can ensure my dollars are not supporting that.
#176 May 03 2006 at 7:51 PM Rating: Decent
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I've read these forums for 4+ years. I've been part of 4 board guilds (Followers of the stars, shards of chaos, kharma trolls, and now the fifth star). I had premium membership for a while. As long as there is content here I will come here for it, come goldsellers or high water. As long as there is a good community on the boards I will post and lurk. I will not buy gold, but I do not care if others do.

I post here because this is the first site somone sent me to when I asked for info in EQ1. As long as Alla is the one running it, I will stick with this site.
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