This hasn't personally happened to me.
Another person I know got totally karma bombed by someone last night, "Thegateway" in this instance. We quickly scanned through his posts and got him bumped back up to scholar but that in itself was a little freaky.
How hard would it be to make it so the most possible influence a single person can have on your overall karma is .01?
In reality it wouldn't change much, but it would defiently limit the impact of pissing off the wrong people.
I also wonder how many specific people would loose Sage status if this was applied retroactivly. I really don't care about any of that, it just sucks when someone who has been with us awhile looses scholar cause of one bad night.
On the subject of double posts..
When someone makes a post, can there be a hidden form item with a timestamp value in it? The idea is when someone hits reload, or tries to submit a post multiple times cause the server lagged, it only gets added once. The system sees the user tried to make two posts with the same timestamp and rejects all but the first.
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Not a bad idea. And I believe the sage>scholar status person you are referring to is me? You would recognize me from the monk forums.
As for double posting, don't even ask.
As for double posting, don't even ask.
There is a double post filter, but if you get bumped from the site or the lag is longer than the built in delay it double posts.
No, I wasn't refering to you goose.
I was saying how some people seem to make it to sage by having the same 5 people rate up everything that comes from their mouth. With 0.01 karma cap, that person would have 3.05 karma, and not be sage.
I was saying how some people seem to make it to sage by having the same 5 people rate up everything that comes from their mouth. With 0.01 karma cap, that person would have 3.05 karma, and not be sage.
Frankly I think the karma system is just fine.
You yourself just proved it because you counteracted someone else's (more likely several other people's) ratedown with your rateups, thus balancing the karma system.
How then is it needing to be fixed?
You yourself just proved it because you counteracted someone else's (more likely several other people's) ratedown with your rateups, thus balancing the karma system.
How then is it needing to be fixed?
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How then is it needing to be fixed?
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=110192334239912760&page=1
Nothing like people with 20-30 posts walking around with 5.0 average. 5 days later and much trolling on other bards he still has higher rating than when he started....
With a Karma cap he would of gotten to 3.10 at the highest, and been totally raped when the masses went back to rate him down later. He would of never reach scholar.
But instead he had 5.0 for awhile, and got the chance to rate down entire threads with quite a hefty modifier...
Well, yeah...that thread was crazy.
You do realize however, that 99.9% of rate up threads result in the people have lower karma then when they started, right?
I have no idea why that thread took off like it did. I guess no one noticed it until it was too late.
But even so, I still maintain the karma system is fine. And as I mentioned before, you noticed someone was trolled, and rated up to counterbalance.
Even if you did cap the effect one person could have on karma it is still highly likely that people would find a way to abuse it.
It would also be that much harder to rate a troll's account to sub default.
So less karma trolling means more trolls posting freely.
I dunno, I think it might be something for the admins to ponder, but I still think the karma system is fine, not perfect, but fine.
You do realize however, that 99.9% of rate up threads result in the people have lower karma then when they started, right?
I have no idea why that thread took off like it did. I guess no one noticed it until it was too late.
But even so, I still maintain the karma system is fine. And as I mentioned before, you noticed someone was trolled, and rated up to counterbalance.
Even if you did cap the effect one person could have on karma it is still highly likely that people would find a way to abuse it.
It would also be that much harder to rate a troll's account to sub default.
So less karma trolling means more trolls posting freely.
I dunno, I think it might be something for the admins to ponder, but I still think the karma system is fine, not perfect, but fine.
Karma systems only excite trolls, not stop them. The only people karma systems get rid of are good posters.
If someone is truely trolling and multiple people all rate them down, they will hit sub default with a karma cap as fast as without. Too bad its rather easy to start a new account and continue the trolling.
The problem is that lots of people join Allakhazam, hit scholar status, like the place..
Here we discuss things, and when people discuss there comes disagreement.
You make a post people like, they rate it up. You make a post people don't like, and they rate it down and every post they see of yours after that. Very rarely does someone write a good post, and someone decides to start rating up every post that person has..
Obviously when I started this thread I wasn't trolling, I offered a practical solution to complaints I hear from people all over the forum/irc/ingame. I still get rated down twice in this thread, why is that? I personally don't care about my karma(if I did, I wouldn't be replying again), but some people get discouraged and leave over this.
Generally people who get bummed over this and leave for good are not trolls. Trolls on the other hand.. well.. they can just create a new account, so they don't care.
It seems silly that anyone would leave. You made a system called karma, and good people take pride in that. It insults them directly when you let one person kill it.
Good posters are signal, trolls are noise.. The more good posters you loose, the worse the signal to noise ratio is and the more trolls there appears to be.. catch my drift?
If someone is truely trolling and multiple people all rate them down, they will hit sub default with a karma cap as fast as without. Too bad its rather easy to start a new account and continue the trolling.
The problem is that lots of people join Allakhazam, hit scholar status, like the place..
Here we discuss things, and when people discuss there comes disagreement.
You make a post people like, they rate it up. You make a post people don't like, and they rate it down and every post they see of yours after that. Very rarely does someone write a good post, and someone decides to start rating up every post that person has..
Obviously when I started this thread I wasn't trolling, I offered a practical solution to complaints I hear from people all over the forum/irc/ingame. I still get rated down twice in this thread, why is that? I personally don't care about my karma(if I did, I wouldn't be replying again), but some people get discouraged and leave over this.
Generally people who get bummed over this and leave for good are not trolls. Trolls on the other hand.. well.. they can just create a new account, so they don't care.
It seems silly that anyone would leave. You made a system called karma, and good people take pride in that. It insults them directly when you let one person kill it.
Good posters are signal, trolls are noise.. The more good posters you loose, the worse the signal to noise ratio is and the more trolls there appears to be.. catch my drift?
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Nothing like people with 20-30 posts walking around with 5.0 average.
Click on any of the names you see in the Posted By section. As an example: bleach. Notice how your Average Score of Posts is 3.33, yet the Score for your 3rd post on this thread is 2.88. This will affect your overall score, but is only 1 score out of 218 (at time of posting this).
That rate up thread looks like it has a bunch of Scholars in it now, but how many were Scholars before? I imagine with the number of rate-downs that inevitably occurred many were Scholar prior to posting in the thread. Possibly even reaching Sage status for mere minutes before being reduced back down to Scholar. While the karma system on these forums does, in my opinion, intimidate those with good discourse from posting because it is not in agreement with those already posting in a given thread, I think the theory and calculations for it still fundamentally work.
If every post someone made got a 5.0 rating due to karma orgy or whatever, their average would be 5.0 wouldn't it?
Believe it or not, it has happened a few times.
You are the one confused.
Believe it or not, it has happened a few times.
You are the one confused.
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