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#1 Nov 22 2013 at 9:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Black Mages, I'm looking at you.

I've hit 50 on PLD and have started the delightful grind towards my DL gear and my Relic. So far, I'm one piece in and about to drop the tomes on the leg pieces after a few more runs. I'm mainly running WP so I can gather my Philosophy as well as Mythology taking out two birds with one stone. As a rule of thumb, I choose DF because there is general concensus that it's safe for normal runs, which is all I'm capable of right now.

The past few runs have been full of people with itchy trigger fingers. Many of them go ahead of me and pull mob, but that's another annoyance for another day. My biggest issue I'm trying to tackle right now is dealing with all the AoE spamming. I don't generally "follow a specific rotation" when I tank. What you may do for a group of two is different for a group of three an so on. That being said, I open with Shield Lob to pull and then a Circle of Scorn followed with a Flash (or vice versa). I generally pop flash after every RoH cycle, and sometimes more inbetween if the need calls for it. I also pop Shield Swipe (when available) and Spirits Within (off GCD and won't interrupt RoH combo). There are times where I will cycle my RoH combo in between mobs so I build enmity on all the mobs as I fight. But even after all those, I still manage to lose enmity. There was one incident in particular where I was so upset and flustered by losing enmity that I used Flash consecutively about 4-5 times and I still never regained enmity.

So what are your tips and tricks for dealing with AoE spamming DPS? I feel like I've done everything short of having a better weapon and explaining to the DPS how to read the enmity gauge next to their job icon in the party listing.
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#2 Nov 24 2013 at 10:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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Generally, I do what you do at the beginning except I do a flash before and after Circle of Scorn. If I know the darn DPS's are spamming AoE, I'll do two flashes after CoS. It just depends what you do in the beginning. I may even do three (had to when everyone was full relic gear up the wazooka!) I usually slap a savage blade on enemy #2, then next round #3, while I'm fighting to maintain the hate and throw in the flashes when I feel it is necessary.

Remember to use Provoke accordingly. It is meant to put you on the top of the hate list (and isn't to be used as a hate tool.) So once you lose hate, it's a good idea to provoke that mob and flash once or twice to rebalance. If it's during the first mob that this needs to happen, then you have to fix your prior hate gain technique. But if it does, just provoke the last enemy that you plan to kill, flash once or twice, then do your rotation on the next to kill enemy.


Edited, Nov 24th 2013 11:32pm by Stilivan
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#3 Nov 27 2013 at 2:20 AM Rating: Good
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Looking at us, are you?

As a 50 PLD myself, I have no trouble holding threat off of your average BLM. The not-so-average BLM or BRD are always going to pull aggro off you in their AoE rotations until you gear up more. Kindly remind them that they have (or should have in a BLM's case) a nifty ability called quelling strikes that should be using on big AoE pulls or on single pulls if they plan on AoEing. Coordinate with your group members if you do not want them to spam AoE. I will gladly just use my single target rotation on BLM or BRD because, quite frankly, it's almost as effective and less dangerous.

Quelling will not be up for every pull so that leaves the rest to you. I find spamming flash gets the job done just fine...however, you'll find yourself out of MP more often than not. If you have a BRD with you, tell him to stick ballad on you in-between pulls or during a pull whenever you dip below a certain threshold. A smart bard will comply.

Tell any ranged DPS who plans on AoEing to run to you so you don't have to chase mobs back and forth, making it harder for you to acquire aggro back.

Please don't forget you also have abilities as well. Like above, provoke should be used whenever you can on mobs that have lost your attention.

Can't get aggro back? Switch to the next best thing: stunning. Stunning a mob for ~9 seconds is plenty of time for the DPS to finish off the mob. In between your stuns, you can also be performing your rotation on the other mobs.

And finally: learn to use cover. In all the WP runs I've done on BRD and BLM, only one ever used cover on my BLM. Do you know how much damage I can output in 12 seconds on BLM when I'm not being interrupted? The answer is quite a lot. Chances are, if I've pulled aggro, I've already done my AoE rotation once without quelling strikes up. If I get it off again, the mobs will be dead. If any of my spells are interrupted when I pull aggro, the AoE rotation is messed up and the mobs die slower. This leads to possible death if your healer isn't ready to switch targets on the 8+ AoE pulls.

But in order for you to really use cover effectively, you need to stress to your DPS that it is vital they move TO you when they pull aggro.

Edited, Nov 30th 2013 4:22pm by HitomeOfBismarck
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#4 Nov 27 2013 at 8:00 PM Rating: Good
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HitomeOfBismarck wrote:
Looking at us, are you?

As a 50 PLD myself, I have no trouble holding threat off of your average BLM. The not-so-average BLM or BRD are always going to pull aggro off you in their AoE rotations until you gear up more. Kindly remind them that they have (or should have in a BLM's case) a nifty ability called quelling strikes that should be used on big AoE pulls or on single pulls if they plan on AoEing. Coordinate with your group members if you do not want them to spam AoE. I will gladly just use my single target rotation on BLM or BRD because, quite frankly, it's almost as effective and less dangerous.

Quelling will not be up for every pull so that leaves the rest to you. I find spamming flash gets the job done just fine...however, you'll find yourself out of MP more often than not. If you have a BRD with you, tell him to stick ballad on you in-between pulls or during a pull whenever you dip below a certain threshold. A smart bard will comply.

Tell any ranged DPS who plans on AoEing to run to you so you don't have to chase mobs back and forth, making it harder for you to acquire aggro back.

Please don't forget you also have abilities as well. Like above, provoke should be used whenever you can on mobs that have lost your attention.

Can't get aggro back? Switch to the next best thing: stunning. Stunning a mob for ~9 seconds is plenty of time for the DPS to finish off the mob. In between your stuns, you can also be performing your rotation on the other mobs.

And finally: learn to use cover. In all the WP runs I've done on BRD and BLM, only one ever used cover on my BLM. Do you know how much damage I can output in 12 seconds on BLM when I'm not being interrupted? The answer is quite a lot. Chances are, if I've pulled aggro, I've already done my AoE rotation once without quelling strikes up. If I get it off again, the mobs will be dead. If any of my spells are interrupted when I pull aggro, the AoE rotation is messed up and the mobs die slower. This leads to possible death if your healer isn't ready to switch targets on the 8+ AoE pulls.

But in order for you to really use cover effectively, you need to stress to your DPS that it is vital they move TO you when they pull aggro.

Edited, Nov 27th 2013 3:24am by HitomeOfBismarck



Thank you for getting back to me, and I apologize for my tone towards AoE DPS.

I'm not afraid to admit that I'm unfamiliar with all things DPS, because PLD was my first job and I'm still working on him. I generally thought I was fairly decent at least. Apparently, where I'm lacking is understanding the jobs that I party with. This is all good information and I will definitely use it.

I generally go all out when tanking using everything I have, including Provoke and Cover effectively. I think my biggest thing will be communicating and understanding where I stand with my current gear limitations (still acquiring DL before setting out for Relic).
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#5 Nov 30 2013 at 3:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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I hate tanking in this game mainly because, no matter what I do on paladin, someone can still rip aggro off of me quite quickly and I can't get it back unless I blow some CDs.

Some tanks like to fight with their DPS for aggro but I personally do not. I've seen better-geared tanks are able to hold aggro more effectively (which makes sense, I suppose) but it still can be frustrating losing aggro. It can be even more frustrating if a DPS starts to go all out on a mob before the other mobs have gotten to you.

Really, DPS can be quite dumb in this game (which is true for all games). If one really wants to, he can just blow all his CDs and go all out in the beginning. I let him finish and just use provoke after for some free aggro courtesy of him. lol I wouldn't worry about it too much in WP and AK, though. When a DPS pulls aggro off of the tank, I actually get something to do on healer. You can 4 BRD WP so don't worry if one of your DPS pulls aggro. They're capable of tanking it.

Now, if they're being a jerk about it and do it every pull, I might be a little 'slow' on my provoke or cover key. :)
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#6 Dec 03 2013 at 11:55 PM Rating: Good
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I appreciate your very good advice. I recently started a fresh character on a new server to hang out with some friends there. I'm leaving behind a PLD on Balmung because I can't transfer... yet. In the meantime, I'm educating myself on different jobs. I'm probably gonna run something less stressful (which may or may not be less fun) such as DPS. I really feel like I need to educate myself on the other jobs and I completely intend on returning to PLD after I understand what everyone should be doing.

Thanks again for the wonderful advice!
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