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#1 Sep 25 2013 at 12:03 PM Rating: Good
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Once I have completed the patent application I'll be moving on to the engineering and design phase.

Proof of concept has been provided so feel free to get your wallets out. I'll provide a receipt once your $1,000,000 deposit has been confirmed as received.
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What I got from this is that they can make light have a CJ.
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A very cold, yet bright CJ.
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tl;dr please.
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They made photons of light interact with each other, kinda like how atoms do in a molecule. They don't normally do that, so it's kinda nifty.
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
tl;dr please.


They figured out a way to make light act like matter, forming a molecule, of sorts. Which apparently solves a lot of things since prior to now light didn't interact with other light. Photons normally don't touch each other or interact with each other in any way making things like switches hard (read: impossible) to engineer without resorting back to electronic solutions.

This is just proof of concept, but if it can be mastered you could theoretically make things (actual practical things) out of light though I expect there are some pretty strict restrictions in there somewhere given the nature of light and what was required to do this.
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Think holodeck, force feedback holograms.
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Glow in the dark vibrating light ******. You'd just have to solve the heat problem first.
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
tl;dr please.


They figured out a way to make light act like matter, forming a molecule, of sorts. Which apparently solves a lot of things since prior to now light didn't interact with other light. Photons normally don't touch each other or interact with each other in any way making things like switches hard (read: impossible) to engineer without resorting back to electronic solutions.

This is just proof of concept, but if it can be mastered you could theoretically make things (actual practical things) out of light though I expect there are some pretty strict restrictions in there somewhere given the nature of light and what was required to do this.
Oh, ok. That's kind of cool I guess.
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Glow in the dark vibrating light ******. You'd just have to solve the heat problem first.


There shouldn't be one if the light is contained in a molecular structure. Should require very little power to maintain the vibration given the light has no mass.
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Think holodeck, force feedback holograms.


******* brilliant!
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Lightbunnies - one more thing to sweep under the couch.


Pffft, they'll have holograms that can do that for you.
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Yodabunny wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
Glow in the dark vibrating light ******. You'd just have to solve the heat problem first.


There shouldn't be one if the light is contained in a molecular structure. Should require very little power to maintain the vibration given the light has no mass.


Not gonna be very useful if it's made of photons, how are they going to interact with actual matter (i.e. humans) in a non-harmful way?
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Well the way they did this was by transferring energy from the photons to the medium they were initially fired into so there is definitely an interaction with ordinary matter.

Photons interact with matter all of the time, it's mostly in the form of heat generation but there is force behind it. It does push on you. I imagine effectively stopping it in a molecular structure will reduce the conversion to heat since the light won't actually be slamming into your atoms, being locked into a physical structure and all.
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I'm pretty sure the reason we feel matter isn't as simple as "it's interacting in some way".

I've seen an IIT prof say that it's due to the Pauli Exclusion Principle, which I think is not really true; it's a factor for sure, but it only becomes relevant at very short ranges (on a molecular level), i.e. electronic charge is much more important when you're touching an object. Photons don't have charge.
Photons interact with matter in ways that are highly dependent on their specific wavelength (above 300nm anything they can do will be quantised), and most of that can be interpreted as an increase in temperature, at least. Given that temperature pretty much ends up being some type of kinetic energy, that's kind of promising, but not really because even if it happens to be translational (i.e. stuff actually moving and not just vibrating or whatever), I'm not sure it'd have any macro scale overall direction. So... Temperature up, that's not very pleasant.

On the downside, you could actually denature proteins in the person. Or like, create radicals. Lots of not so nice things.
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I'm not sure the same rules are going to apply if we're able to lock photons into molecule like structures. Heat is generated when light hits you as the photon is absorbed and converted to heat energy (which is effectively a form of kinetic energy.) The photons in this case are stationary relative to the other photons in the structure and are not going to be absorbed since they aren't flying towards you, in fact you probably won't be able to see the object which will pose it's own set of problems.

That leaves direct kinetic force which is ridiculously weak when we're talking about typical light radiation but what happens if we make structures out of the photons? Does that change the kinetic force applied? The energy is still there but now it's not being converted to heat. Or maybe the only application IS a light saber :).

It's kind of the difference between standing in front of the beam in a particle accelerator and having a ball thrown at you. One goes through you (with some nasty consequences), the other pushes you.

There are no answers at this point as this is a very new form of matter and I'm certainly not a physicist but I don't think heat is going to be an issue if we manage to create stable objects out of light since the light won't be traveling in the traditional sense (it would no longer radiate). Of course this is all assuming it's even possible to make something like a light molecule, what they demonstrated was really just a push/pull energy level trick that forced the photons to work in tandem (well, chase each other is probably more accurate).
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Kalivha wrote:
I'm pretty sure the reason we feel matter isn't as simple as "it's interacting in some way".

I've seen an IIT prof say that it's due to the Pauli Exclusion Principle, which I think is not really true; it's a factor for sure, but it only becomes relevant at very short ranges (on a molecular level), i.e. electronic charge is much more important when you're touching an object. Photons don't have charge.
Photons interact with matter in ways that are highly dependent on their specific wavelength (above 300nm anything they can do will be quantised), and most of that can be interpreted as an increase in temperature, at least. Given that temperature pretty much ends up being some type of kinetic energy, that's kind of promising, but not really because even if it happens to be translational (i.e. stuff actually moving and not just vibrating or whatever), I'm not sure it'd have any macro scale overall direction. So... Temperature up, that's not very pleasant.

On the downside, you could actually denature proteins in the person. Or like, create radicals. Lots of not so nice things.


... denature proteins in such a way as to burn them off/cauterize them, as a lightsaber does? Smiley: sly
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There are no answers at this point as this is a very new form of matter and I'm certainly not a physicist but I don't think heat is going to be an issue if we manage to create stable objects out of light since the light won't be traveling in the traditional sense (it would no longer radiate). Of course this is all assuming it's even possible to make something like a light molecule, what they demonstrated was really just a push/pull energy level trick that forced the photons to work in tandem (well, chase each other is probably more accurate).

Mh. That's like relativity stuff. I haven't really learnt relativity stuff. Or like, the last time I read a book about it was about 15 years ago.
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Do lightsabers also give cancer?
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Kalivha wrote:
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... denature proteins in such a way as to burn them off/cauterize them, as a lightsaber does? Smiley: sly
Do lightsabers also give cancer?
you should ask Luke about that.
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Kalivha wrote:
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There are no answers at this point as this is a very new form of matter and I'm certainly not a physicist but I don't think heat is going to be an issue if we manage to create stable objects out of light since the light won't be traveling in the traditional sense (it would no longer radiate). Of course this is all assuming it's even possible to make something like a light molecule, what they demonstrated was really just a push/pull energy level trick that forced the photons to work in tandem (well, chase each other is probably more accurate).

Mh. That's like relativity stuff. I haven't really learnt relativity stuff. Or like, the last time I read a book about it was about 15 years ago.
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... denature proteins in such a way as to burn them off/cauterize them, as a lightsaber does? Smiley: sly
Do lightsabers also give cancer?

Yes, but that far in the future cancer is a desirable effect.
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Kalivha wrote:
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... denature proteins in such a way as to burn them off/cauterize them, as a lightsaber does? Smiley: sly
Do lightsabers also give cancer?
you should ask Luke about that.
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Interesting, and I enjoy the fact that one of the scientists is named Lukin, but this isn't how a lightsaber works. Smiley: frown

Still, I'd buy one if they made one. As long as it's affordable, seeing as I'm not made of money.
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Interesting, and I enjoy the fact that one of the scientists is named Lukin, but this isn't how a lightsaber works. Smiley: frown

Still, I'd buy one if they made one. As long as it's affordable, seeing as I'm not made of money.

Well if price is an issue, go for a lightpenknife maybe?
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***** light sabers. When can we expect the photon torpedo?

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Photon torpedoes are blasting your eyeballs right now.
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I literally see what you did there.
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***** light sabers. When can we expect the photon torpedo?


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