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#1 Sep 03 2013 at 10:54 AM Rating: Excellent
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I have no cable as of this morning. Now joining the this alleged trend of people paying for high speed internet but having no real T.V. service to speak of. Anyone else around here do this? Or am I a freak? Yes, I realize those two aren't mutually exclusive. Thanks for pointing that out. Smiley: glare

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#2 Sep 03 2013 at 10:56 AM Rating: Good
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I put more emphasis on internet than tv, since anything on tv you can easily get on the internet one way or another.
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#3 Sep 03 2013 at 10:57 AM Rating: Decent
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In theory i have cable, but in practice it's just so massively inconvenient, so i haven't actually turned on a tv in years. I watch everything on my computer.
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I have a media PC downstairs that acts as a DVR and TV tuner, the upstairs computers are both internet connected and can share the tuner feed from the media PC. The garage PC technically has internet, but it's mainly used to drive the CNC mill and eventually the plastic extruder. The media PC setup looks about like this Screenshot Screenshot Screenshot

I mainly watch movies and how its made and the occasional tv series that catches my eye, etc.
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#5 Sep 03 2013 at 11:16 AM Rating: Good
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I have both but could probably get away with just internet. We watch enough tv for it to be worthwhille, but we're set up for streaming from the PC so with downloading, we're good for the shows we do watch. We DVR half of the stuff anyway and watch when its convenient.

Edited, Sep 3rd 2013 2:16pm by Uglysasquatch
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#6 Sep 03 2013 at 11:19 AM Rating: Good
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Dish Network dropped the Korean Station that my husband always watched so now cable(not cable) is only good for the occasional boxing match and second release movies. We've talked about dropping it, but I figure by the time we get serious about actually doing it, it will be time for Game of Thrones again.

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Dish Network dropped the Korean Station
They also dropped cloo, which was basically the "House and Burn Notice" channel, which is what my work tv was generally tuned to most of the time.
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#8 Sep 03 2013 at 11:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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Both. The wife watches a lot more TV than I but what shows I do watch, I want to see when they broadcast, not when the network makes it available for streaming or when it goes to DVD or whatever. Likewise for Flea and her favorite shows.

Even torrents (setting aside legality/ethical issues) aren't gonna work for me. If I'm not seeing Mad Men at 9:00 CST then I'm behind the curve, **** it Smiley: mad
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#9 Sep 03 2013 at 11:58 AM Rating: Good
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This is cheating, since I live with my parents right now and they have cable, but I chose only internet. Before I moved back home, I had no cable access. And in the time I've been back, I don't believe I've used it once.

There aren't many television shows I follow. And the ones I would follow aren't ones I would watch with a 3 year old niece running around.

I'll stream stuff from Netflix or Amazon Prime. Not having ever been much of a TV watcher, there's plenty there to occupy my time. And most networks will stream their new episodes online a day or two after they premiere, so it's not hard to keep current.
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#10 Sep 03 2013 at 11:59 AM Rating: Good
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I watch enough TV for it to be worth it right now, but I do have access to Netflix and Amazon Prime streaming. If I dropped the TV, I wouldn't follow as many shows as they were current, but I'd still get to watch them eventually, which would be fine. I don't root for the local baseball team, so I have MLB.tv anyway. I pretty much just follow the shows on FX when they're current. I'll occasionally watch some other shows on other channels, but FX has the most series I'll make sure to catch every week.
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#11 Sep 03 2013 at 12:19 PM Rating: Good
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I have both, but I only really use the T.V. for live sports.
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#12 Sep 03 2013 at 1:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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I have both, but I only really use the T.V. for live sports.
This was the way it was going for me as well, and the thought was on my mind with football season picking up. But I figured I'll just listen to the radio, as I spend a lot of the time when it's on not actually watching, but instead doing something else and just listening in. The radio commentators are usually better anyway.

The Mrs. only has one or two shows she actually watches anymore, and she can get those online for a low price or free. The kids made good use of Sprout before they dropped the channel from the normal package a while back. At that point the only thing we really had on with any frequency was PBS for the children's programming; and even that was mostly background noise. We can put on a DVD that auto-repeats and get the same effect for a much lower price.

Edit: I'm also very disappointed there aren't more "T.V. only" responses on a internet forum. Smiley: disappointed

Edited, Sep 3rd 2013 12:40pm by someproteinguy
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Ah, Sprout (Super Why, represent!). I forgot the value of BabyTV in our home and how the little guy can stand enraptured by VocabuLarry and the Shushiebys for as long as we let him.
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Ah, Sprout (Super Why, represent!).


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#15 Sep 03 2013 at 2:13 PM Rating: Decent
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I spent 10 years without cable/internet before I had children. It's just not feasible with 3 kids and a wife.
#16 Sep 03 2013 at 4:25 PM Rating: Decent
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Both for me. I get the idea of just having an internet connection and accessing content that way, but usually the good content you either have to wait for, or pay for (or use a potentially illegal source for). I've long thought that online content providers would replace cable TV, but IMO it's still just not there yet. Netflicks *almost* made it, but then they lost a ton of their licenses and their content is kinda meh now.

I suspect that's going to be a problem for some time. Cable companies (or equivalent) can leverage better terms for bundling of content to end users. Content generators (networks) will tend to maintain sites with some of their stuff on it, but it's usually not available right away. Anyone legally providing that content has to be licensed to do so, which costs money. They're going to expect to be able to charge for their content to the consumers, which means they have to add some value along the way. Large scale bundling is how cable makes this work financially, and presumably an internet content provider would have to bundle in some way, but to beat the cable guys, they have to provide options for customers. So far, I really haven't seen this happen. You either subscribe to the service, or you don't, and you get all that they have, or nothing. Which means that the "all they have" tends to be broad and limited at the same time (see: netflicks/hulu/etc).


I'd like to see genre based content options. Let me pay a few bucks a month for their "scfi" package, or "action movies", or whatever. Make broad bundles more expensive and narrow ones less so. Allow me to go all the way to micro transactions for a single episode or film if I want. I think once you build the infrastructure for that kind of delivery to customers, you'll start seeing more people move to that model. So far, that hasn't happened though. Lots of technical and legal obstacles to over come, not to mention lots of uncertainty in terms of revenue stream. It's safer to just provide a broad and generic set of content and get customers that way. So that's what we've seen so far.


Until something like that becomes available via online provider, I'll stick with cable. Cable actually provides that (to a degree). You end out paying for a ton of channels you don't care about, but you do get to pick channel bundles (sorta), and have access to both free and pay on-demand stuff. So ironically, the cable companies have actually done most of the stuff that I had assumed internet companies would more easily be able to do. I think the online only folks could do it better though. They don't have the requirement to provide "basic cable", nor an historical model that bundles large amounts of channels so as to subsidize content. An online provider could simply offer narrow pay options at lower cost for what cable companies today charge as "premium" or "extended" cable options. At least theoretically.

Edited, Sep 3rd 2013 3:29pm by gbaji
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#17 Sep 03 2013 at 6:09 PM Rating: Good
[quote=idiggory, King of Bards]This is cheating, since I live with my parents right now and they have cable./quote]

Not cheating. Smart Living, just tell yourself that and you will feel much better.

I live with my parents as well. I took me years and a slogan change to finally even get something higher than Dial-Up at this house.

We have both TV and Net. I say I use the net way more often, as I only watch like 5 TV shows. However, when w/e MMO I'm playing is down (atm, FFXIV) I turn the TV like is now.
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#18 Sep 04 2013 at 1:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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I have all the channels and internet but I cheat and don't pay for it.
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My wife and I canceled cable about 3 months ago and honestly we have not missed it. We was paying $50 a month for just plain basic cable. We canceled it and between NEtflix and Hulu on Demand on the Wii we always have something to watch. Before we canceled cable we found 90% of the shows we were watching were on Netflix or Hulu anyways. Far as local news goes figure thats what internet and cellphones are for.

We allready had Netflix so we dropped the $50 off our cable bill and hulu was only $9 so saving $41 a month.
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Far as local news goes figure thats what internet and cellphones are for.
Can't you stick an antenna on your tv and pick up local stations?
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Far as local news goes figure thats what internet and cellphones are for.
Can't you stick an antenna on your tv and pick up local stations?
Why watch in blizzard conditions when you could watch it clearly from the internet?
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It's all digital now. That was a benefit of analog signals; if they were weak, you just got a crappier image but at least you got something. With over-the-air digital, if the signal is weak or broken up, it just fails.

$50 a month for basic cable sounds expensive. We have phone, internet and HD cable for around $120ish, plus the extra we spent for the HBO/Starz/Encore (?) package. Flea needs her Game of Thrones/True Blood/whatever fix.

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I only have internet, and have ever since moving a year ago. I never watched TV... ever. It was worthless for me.

Ironically I might be getting a package deal upgrade to get internet and cable, as it will oddly lower my monthly bill by $10. Verizon's deals are weird like that, I guess. I'll still never watch TV.
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I like to channel surf though. Maybe it's just the old school in me, but I've found that even though I can go out and select just the shows and films I want to watch, I still find myself scanning through stuff looking for something interesting. I've run into a number of films (and occasionally shows) that I would never have looked twice at in a "download and view" kind of format, but found quite enjoyable. Dunno. YMMV.
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Channel surfing worked better in the analog days when flipping channels was instant. Now it's more like "Cable directory browsing" which isn't quite as fulfilling for my hunter-gatherer caveman brain.

This is partially a function of us having the premium channels but the On Demand movie/tv selections are a nice addition to Netflix, et al. I recently watched Flight of the Conchords through the HBO service which wasn't available via my other streaming options. Obviously if you're into just downloading everything (yo-ho, yo-ho...) then that matters less to you.
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#28 Sep 07 2013 at 7:52 AM Rating: Decent
I have both but never watch TV. I have a contract but it's almost up.
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#29 Sep 08 2013 at 6:53 AM Rating: Good
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I have TV but it's included in my rent so I don't pay extra for it (or rather I wouldn't pay less if I said I didn't want TV). I only watch Masterchef Australia and sports though.
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Channel surfing worked better in the analog days when flipping channels was instant. Now it's more like "Cable directory browsing" which isn't quite as fulfilling for my hunter-gatherer caveman brain.


Yeah. But there are advantages. With the DVR, I'll keep one tuner set to some channel that's semi-interesting, but I'm not married to, and then browse though the directory looking for anything that might be interesting. I'll click on something, watch it for a minute or so, then swap back to the channel I was on if it's not piquing my interest. Still fulfills that old surfing need, but allows me to keep tethered to something, so it's not like the old channel surfing where 10 minutes later you haven't seen anything at all.

I will point out that I was *really* annoyed when Time Warner changed their tuner handling on their boxes. It used to be that you had a tunerA, and tunerB, and there was a swap button on the remote that swapped between them. So you were always watching one tuner. If you changed the channel, it changed the channel on that tuner. This made channel surfing easy because you could swap to the other tuner, change channels to your hearts content, then swap back and the first tuner was still on the channel you started on, complete with buffer for whatever you were watching there.

I guess they decided that was too confusing to people, or too many dumb people couldn't figure it out and complained that if they changed the channel, they'd lose the one they were on, so they changed it so that if you change the channel, it tuns the *other* tuner to the channel, and then swaps you. This has the virtue of always saving the buffer on the channel you were just watching, but means that if you want to surf while keeping one channel always tuned, you have to keep swapping back and then changing the channel (which requires bringing up the guide, finding the next channel and selecting it). It's a pain in the **** really. So yay for lowest common denominator programming, I guess?

It also created a higher percentage of busted buffering when changing channels whilst recording something. Sometimes the box just gets confused about how to do that and you either get a channel with no buffering, or it dorks up whatever you're recording. The old method was less prone to problems because if tunerA was recording something, changing the channel on tunerB didn't interact with it at all, so things just worked.
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I don't have TV, so it annoys the **** out of me when I visit my parents' place and I remember that commercials exist.
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I have both, though I would cancel cable and just have internet if my boyfriend wasn't into TV.
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no tv ? the whole day I spent is the worst day ever ! oh come on ! Living only with none cable tv and I am confident with it !
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