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#1 Jun 25 2012 at 3:42 PM Rating: Good
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Today the plant manager walked into my office and asked "Are there any 120 circuits in the ceiling?" Kind of caught me by surprise. The answer was no. He goes on to say that he had this cell phone jammer and wanted to hide it, powered, above the ceiling of the factory bathrooms.

They have a major issue with employees using their personal cell phones while on the shop floor working, and have been cracking down. Apparently many are now taking bathroom breaks to use them in private. The main problem here isn't the cell phone use, but the lack of proper management. Our supervisors are very bad at actually supervising their underlings. Employees know they don't get in trouble for breaking rules, so they do anyway.

On to the point. I kind of blew off the question, hoping he'll forget about it. But after he left I did a quick search on the FCC website, and came up with this:
http://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/jamming-cell-phones-and-gps-equipment-against-law

I also searched articles on the subject, etc. Many seem to be normal people using them on things like public transportation and movie theaters to interrupt those around them and create a 'quiet zone' around themselves. Not so much about companies using them. I'm going to suggest that the plant manager actually contact the FCC or something on the legal issue before attempting to implement this, but I'm just curious if it is legal or not for a company to black out portions of their own building?

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I think it's illegal because it could block out someone who needs to call 911 at a crucial moment.

At my old call center, we had a rule that if you were caught using the cell phone on the floor, you obviously considered your cell phone to be company property since only company property was allowed on the floor. Therefore, your phone would be confiscated until the end of the shift, or on the 2nd violation, the end of the week. Cell phones were to be set to either silent or off, and put away.
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Highly illegal, and shows up on cell phone tower logs as a point of localized interference. If it's a large enough one in constant use, the FCC will locate it easily, especially if there are two cell towers within a mile or two of it, and at very least issue a very large fine. If there are any nearby federal government facilities, particularily military, prson time becomes possible. You don't want anything to do with it.
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I figure, if people consider keeping in constant contact with their friends and significant others(because it's unlikely that that many people all have that many emergencies, that often, at the same time), to be more important than properly doing their job, then they're easily replaced.
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#5 Jun 26 2012 at 10:39 AM Rating: Excellent
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I can't even begin to say how illegal that is, not to mention how much liability a company takes on if an employee does something like that.

But God, the contingency fee that an attorney could collect on a case like that if there were monetary damages (calls are blocked, someone gets hurt, no one can timely call 9-1-1, injuries are sustained in a higher severity). My greedy legal heart is salivating over the stupidity that people do.
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My God, what a stupid man.
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My God, what a stupid man.


I would say ignorant.

If he knows all of the repercussions and still insists on going ahead with the jamming, then he's stupid.
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I can't even begin to say how illegal that is, not to mention how much liability a company takes on if an employee does something like that.

But God, the contingency fee that an attorney could collect on a case like that if there were monetary damages (calls are blocked, someone gets hurt, no one can timely call 9-1-1, injuries are sustained in a higher severity). My greedy legal heart is salivating over the stupidity that people do.


Not arguing that it's legal to do here, just pointing out a pretty serious flaw in the use of this arguement to apply to all areas:

How does what you said apply to the 20 foot radius that is an employee break room and rest room on a factory floor? And if lack of signal was such an issue, what about the almost no bar signal on the shop floor due to the construction of the steel framed and clad building and high powered electrical noisey equipment? You can't get enough signal to make a call unless you are near one of the shipping dock doors. I'm not saying that the arguement doesn't hold ever, just that it doesn't seem to be that practical when applied to EVERY possible area.

I'll buy the arguement that the FCC has licensed these providers to use the frequencies, and your unauthorized jamming device operates on those same frequencies without permission.


On to the manager, he walked into the bathroom today while I was washing up. I told him that before he thought about the turning on that Jammer he should look into the legality of it. Without saying anything he pulled out his iPhone and turned in on. Then poked around for a little bit, said, "huh?". He walked out and over to the small maintenance closet next to the bathrooms. I followed him, and he reaches up behind a box on the top shelf and pulls down a small walkie-talkie looking device with three antennas and tells me, "The battery must be dead, it was working just fine this morning." Puts it in his pocket and returns to his office.

Dunno is he's going to listen to me or not. I personally don't own a cell phone and wouldn't use it at work anyway, so I'm not going to whistle blow. But it annoys me to no end when I see employees using their personal phones while on the clock. Just yesterday I walked into our quality office looking for someone, and one of the technicians was sitting down in a chair in the A/C flipping through facebook. What annoys me the most about it though isn't the person using the phone, but the supervisors who walk in and out and just don't give a ****.

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#9 Jun 26 2012 at 5:45 PM Rating: Good
The Employee Handbook that each one of us, at my work, has states that no Cell Phones are even allowed in the building.
This was implemented in like 1994 or so, and basically is broken everyday at work because 90% bring their phones into work.

However if you are seen on your cell phone and it is not break time/lunch you can get into trouble.

May want to suggest a Rule? But if no one is even following them, it won't due you any good.

We also have the Bathroom issue. To the point one guy basically lost his job (that I've seen while working there, have heard about others), because if he truly went as much as he did he would have some kind of new medical issue lol. We enough guys start talking about how so-and-so is always in the bathroom, it makes it's way to the right department head(s) and it may end in a meeting with said person.
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Ya, lack of rules in the handbook isn't the issue, it's enforcement.

Rules state that personal phones aren't supposed to be on the shop floor. They are supposed to be left in your car, etc or turned off and kept in your pockets. You can use them during breaks or lunch. They have put it out in the newsletters about once every 3-4 months or so. But they never enforce it.
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I remember you talking about work before, and I had the same thought here as last time.

Your company needs to create policies regarding these issues and they need to be enforced. You should bring this up to your boss and tell explain to him how much risk the business is in. Last time it was about what information you could or could not give away about a previous worker, and now it's about the legality of cell phone jamming. Something is very wrong with a business when an employee is going onto a gaming forum to figure out legal issues that could result in significant losses.

In this particular case, the simplest solution is the best. Cell phone usage is not allowed during work, and if caught doing so is grounds for x consequences. Write it out, make sure employees are very well informed about it, and then follow it to the letter.

Enforce every policy as written, and don't write policies in ways that would be problematic to enforce.

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It's not like I'm taking serious legal advice from a gaming forum. It's just making talk. It's boring around here and I figured some off standard topics would promote conversations. Smiley: rolleyes
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I don't have any problem with that. I just thought it sounds like your workplace is a ticking legal time bomb.
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Just set up a free, unsecured supposed wifi hotspot (which is actually a harvesting device built by you to steal their login details) than take all their bank accounts and use it to buy 4 centuries worth of premium for everyone?
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I've never understood why companies would impose zero tolerance policies on cell phone usage. Sure, playing with your phone when a customer needs your attention is not cool, and if you ignore the customer then it should have consequences. That said, a lot of managers could benefit from a crash course in how to create a healthy work environment. They could start by looking at the educational system.

Humans have a maximum sustained attention span of ~20 minutes. We can reset this duration but the more we do it, the harder it gets, especially if the task requiring our continued attention is boring. That's why you've got breaks between classes at school. It's why your head feels like a ripe watermelon two hours into a boring lecture. Using a cell phone at work is just a way to get a break from concentrating on the task at hand (similar to how people working office jobs come here to post).

If you ban any and all distractions from the employees' work space then you'll end up with mentally exhausted employees, or employees who simply "zone out" instead of checking their phones. I'm not saying you should encourage the use of cell phones in customer service jobs, but you can't prevent people from taking mental breaks. Might as well turn a blind eye to it, as long as it doesn't interfere with the job they were hired to do.

Edit: This isn't directed at anyone here in particular, by the way. I use 'you' in the post because I wouldn't know how else to phrase it. It's not a direct response to anyone.

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The Employee Handbook that each one of us, at my work, has states that no Cell Phones are even allowed in the building.
This was implemented in like 1994 or so, and basically is broken everyday at work because 90% bring their phones into work.

Well, the phones were larger in 1994 so it was easier to enforce.
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All the labs and residential buildings in our "neighbourhood" (read: institute that's more or less self-sufficient) have the same intercom. Want to go out Friday night with your friend? Intercom her lab. Cell phone reception is pretty bad around here, anyway.

And yeah, people will kind of sit at the phone talking to a friend for half an hour occasionally. People here will also bring their laptop into work...

What annoys me is the fact that mobiles don't work on the London underground.
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What annoys me is the fact that mobiles don't work on the London underground.

They do now. Smiley: schooled
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So basically, London is now only slightly less awesome than Dubai? Smiley: lol

Note how the only parts of London where I usually spend any amount of time (apart from train stations and airports) are Southall, Edg Rd and Bayswater...
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So basically, London is now only slightly less awesome than Dubai? Smiley: lol



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Hah! He mentioned Bayswater.

No, seriously, I don't go to Dubai to party. Although I'm pretty sure anything is possible over there. I also don't stay at fancy hotels. I don't ever, although I might have to in a couple of weeks.

Dubai is for fashion and tobacco. And possibly random hook-ups. Also, awesome food. And a cup of tea delivered to your front door... God, I love the tea delivery thing.

Also, my French friends went to a school with a bomb shelter. It was mouldy inside.

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1. Surprisingly, in the UK and Pakistan most Arabs you meet are from countries with strange gentle accents, like Oman or Sudan.

2. Saudis are... weird. "Ohh, I only get $1800 pcm scholarship, how am I supposed to live off that money? And it's okay the king has more than 4 wives because the ones after the first 4 aren't really his wives!" They have like their own logic which makes no sense to the outside world.

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It was filmed in London.

Saudis are crazy. Smiley: grin
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It's like a national disease. You meet one, they seem perfectly reasonable and then they suddenly say something like "his hands should be cut off" out of the blue and you just sit there and think, how did this person seem so reasonable?

Also, forgot to say, yay Russell Peters.
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It's like a national disease. You meet one, they seem perfectly reasonable and then they suddenly say something like "his hands should be cut off" out of the blue and you just sit there and think, how did this person seem so reasonable?


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I will most certainly pass this on to all my friends.
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