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#1 Feb 07 2012 at 6:23 PM Rating: Excellent
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with a newly minted teen driver is nerve wrecking, to say the least. She's way heavy on the pedals, and I may end up with whiplash before its over, but **** I'm proud. :D
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#2 Feb 07 2012 at 6:43 PM Rating: Good
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Don't yell at her if she does something wrong. My father learned that was not the best thing to do real quick.
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At least the vehicle isn't ridiculously top heavy with bad suspension?
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BrownDuck wrote:
with a newly minted teen driver is nerve wrecking, to say the least. She's way heavy on the pedals, and I may end up with whiplash before its over, but **** I'm proud. :D


I remember teaching my sister how to drive a manual transmission. The scariest part? The steep hill...with a stop sign at the top.
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At least the vehicle isn't ridiculously top heavy with bad suspension?


Nah I traded in the Kia Sportage a few years ago. Driving a cobalt now, but for the purposes of driver training, I may as well be driving the Oscar Meyer Wienermobile.
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#7 Feb 08 2012 at 7:11 AM Rating: Good
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Is the emrgency brake hand or foot operated?
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Don't yell at her if she does something wrong. My father learned that was not the best thing to do real quick.


My mom found out the hard way as well. Probably the only time I've scolded my mother without her scolding me back. **** near went off the road when she started yelling.

Grats, Ducky. Did you get the kid a car to go with the license, or do you plan on never using your own again? Smiley: tongue
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Don't yell at her if she does something wrong. My father learned that was not the best thing to do real quick.


My mom found out the hard way as well. Probably the only time I've scolded my mother without her scolding me back. **** near went off the road when she started yelling.


My mom tried to teach me to parallel park, unsuccessfully. She set up trash cans for me to park between, then tried to motion me in between them. When I got too close for her comfort she slammed her hands down on the side of the trunk and screamed "YOU JUST KILLED SOMEONE!"

Probably not the best education method.

I went out with my dad that night and he said something like "Line yourself up with the first car, reverse to the point where your front is in line with their steering wheel, then turn the wheel 3/4 of the way to the right and back into the spot. As your front is passing their car, turn it the other way."

Did it perfectly the first time. You can guess which parent I got along with.
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Your mom sounds **** awesome! I would've loved to have been your friend and be around your mom. Endless lulz.
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Your mom sounds @#%^ing awesome! I would've loved to have been your friend and be around your mom. Endless lulz.


She whipped a fork at one of my friends once. So, uh....there's that.
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did she fry it in butter first, and was your friend in a car?
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Yeah, I ended up yelling at my parents quite a bit when I was learning to drive. Step by step instructions on everything will definitely lead to a new driver crashing. It's information overload, and it's stressful.

I was never a lead foot driver though.
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I paid for driving insturctions so I wouldn't have to learn from my parents. Did some practice with them though. Went ok, except for the couple of stop signs i drove through. That had my mother gasping a bit.
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Is the emrgency brake hand or foot operated?

My guess would be yes.
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My mom took me to the cemetery to practice driving, but I took the AAA driving lessons, since completing the course gave me an insurance break and a free year of AAA coverage.

Edited, Feb 8th 2012 6:36pm by Spoonless
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#17 Feb 08 2012 at 10:58 PM Rating: Excellent
I learned to drive in an AMC Pacer. My mom didn't yell at me during, though, as I drove it when she wasn't around.

The Jeep with a bad clutch was how I learned how to shift without a clutch.





Did I mention I was 13 at the time? Because, I totally was.
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#18 Feb 08 2012 at 10:59 PM Rating: Excellent
This was back in the 1700's? I didn't realize they had cars back then.

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Down here, parents can teach you, but you still have to take a written and driving test before you get your license, and most people just opt for the driving schools in the area. The schools handle the necessary paperwork, we drive a test car around (an old clunker they've pretty much resigned to a wreck), and our parents get the peace of mind of not having to scream at us "No, the OTHER pedal!" when we end up careening off the side of the road. Which would have likely happened if my parents taught me.

Plus, in the instructor cars, they installed extra breaks in the passenger seat, "just in case."
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#21 Feb 09 2012 at 6:44 AM Rating: Good
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Down here, parents can teach you, but you still have to take a written and driving test before you get your license, and most people just opt for the driving schools in the area. The schools handle the necessary paperwork, we drive a test car around (an old clunker they've pretty much resigned to a wreck), and our parents get the peace of mind of not having to scream at us "No, the OTHER pedal!" when we end up careening off the side of the road. Which would have likely happened if my parents taught me.

Plus, in the instructor cars, they installed extra breaks in the passenger seat, "just in case."


Old Clunkers?

In my part of the world, we all drove in good looking cars in school. They had Student Drive nailed all over the place, but the were still pretty good looking cars.
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It's good to see that your going to start to loose lots of hair teaching driving to a teen.
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Down here, parents can teach you, but you still have to take a written and driving test before you get your license, and most people just opt for the driving schools in the area. The schools handle the necessary paperwork, we drive a test car around (an old clunker they've pretty much resigned to a wreck), and our parents get the peace of mind of not having to scream at us "No, the OTHER pedal!" when we end up careening off the side of the road. Which would have likely happened if my parents taught me.

Plus, in the instructor cars, they installed extra breaks in the passenger seat, "just in case."


Old Clunkers?

In my part of the world, we all drove in good looking cars in school. They had Student Drive nailed all over the place, but the were still pretty good looking cars.


Yeah, they may have not been clunkers, but they certainly weren't new cars. They were at minimum 15 years old, and it showed.

But like I said, they wanted a car that they could put the second brake in, and wouldn't be too afraid to wreck if it came to that.
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I took Drivers Ed. when it was still offered through my High School. If I'm not mistaken it was in fact the LAST year it was offered through school due to cost/liability issues. That being said, our cars weren't brand new, but they certainly weren't clunkers either. They were single digit aged Buicks.
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I took Driver's Ed in high school when I was 15, but was sick with mono and missed all of the instructional parts. Didn't end up getting my license until I turned 18; I had no desire to have a car.
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I didn't take driver's ed in school, but my friends did. The teacher was an old coach, and it was taught over the summer. My friend told me that he used to either have them drop him off at his girlfriend's house and drive around for an hour then come back, or drop him off at Sam Hill's (a bar and grill in town) and drive around for an hour then come back.

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My girlfriend of 20 is learning how to drive just now (something about her dad not liking the way she drove when she was just of age, and then never needing to in college) and dear god is she bad at it.

I took her on a romantic outing to a restaurant and had a few too many glasses of wine. We were just up the street from our house, and I gave her the keys and told her she needed the practice anyways since she needs to get a license soon as the car is her fathers and the plates expire soon (and she'll need a license to renew the registration if her dad wants her to have the care, and he does)

She seems to have the opposite problem BD's teen has, as she slowed down so much during one right hand turn we actually stopped in the middle of turning for a good ~10 seconds. She also says "sorry" out loud a bunch to the window like other cars can hear her.

Edited, Feb 10th 2012 5:24am by Tarub
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She seems to have the opposite problem BD's teen has, as she slowed down so much during one right hand turn we actually stopped in the middle of turning for a good ~10 seconds. She also says "sorry" out loud a bunch like other cars can hear her.



Interesting that you say that. After successfully drilling into her head the importance of being GENTLE on the break / gas pedals, it now takes her 10+ feet to stop... in a parking lot. Yeah, we've overrun quite a few spots and **** near added a new entrance to a few buildings. I'm trying to teach her that it's OK to break faster when you're only traveling 5mph, but last night's efforts weren't so successful.

Also, WTF with wanting to keep looking at the steering wheel as if it is some critical source of visual feedback. EYES ON THE ROAD **** IT.
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Thank god her dad's car is automatic. I can't imagine the pain I'd be in from holding/biting my tongue if it was a stick shift. The way she panics at every tiny choice from changing lanes (and yeah, staring down at the turn signal the whole time during the turn) to slowing down makes me fear for when it warms back up in a month or two and she'll have the option of riding on the back of my motorcycle. Jumpy/panicky backseaters are the worst.

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Also, WTF with wanting to keep looking at the steering wheel as if it is some critical source of visual feedback. EYES ON THE ROAD **** IT.


She's likely watching the dashboard, not the steering wheel. I know I did for the longest time after getting my license, until I learned to listen for the engine sound for gear shifting and only glimpse at the speedometer occasionally.

It's also crazy that you can take your license at 16 in the US. I'd be nervous getting in a car with a 16-year-old driver regardless of their training. The kids are high on hormones most of the day and you're throwing cars at them like it's nothing.

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Also, WTF with wanting to keep looking at the steering wheel as if it is some critical source of visual feedback. EYES ON THE ROAD **** IT.


She's likely watching the dashboard, not the steering wheel. I know I did for the longest time after getting my license, until I learned to listen for the engine sound for gear shifting and only glimpse at the speedometer occasionally.

It's also crazy that you can take your license at 16 in the US. I'd be nervous getting in a car with a 16-year-old driver regardless of their training. The kids are high on hormones most of the day and you're throwing cars at them like it's nothing.


It is kind of nuts. I went to high school in a pretty affluent area, where the kids all got new BMWs and Mercedes for their birthdays. They'd wrap 'em around a tree two weeks later, and their parents would just get them a new one.
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It's also crazy that you can take your license at 16 in the US. I'd be nervous getting in a car with a 16-year-old driver regardless of their training. The kids are high on hormones most of the day and you're throwing cars at them like it's nothing.
We throw beer at them instead, much better. Smiley: grin
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That's why you drink then drive. Smiley: schooled
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They'd wrap 'em around a tree two weeks later, and their parents would just get them a new one.
I think that was the insurance company getting them a new one.
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That's why you drink then drive. Smiley: schooled


But then I'd have to stop drinking...
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#37 Feb 10 2012 at 7:38 PM Rating: Good
You are not suppose to just turn 16 and be able to get your license. You are suppose to have near 10 hours drive time with an instructor (mine was with a licenseless drunk teacher) and somewhere around 40hours+ with someone 18+ who has their license. That is how it was when I went through it all in Illinois. I'm sure I didn't have 40hours with my parents (father) but I did have to put in many hours with him. I didn't even get my license until I was 17, my parents made sure I could drive in almost any condition (rain,snow, day/night, etc.) before they even said OK to taking me to the DMV.
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Yeah. I'm not sure how the laws have changed over time (cause it's not like I'm aging backwards or anything Smiley: bah), but in California the earliest you can get a license is 16. However, it's a provisional license and can only be acquired if you complete a drivers ed and drivers training course (and pass the normal written and driving tests of course). You may begin that process at 15.5 years of age, getting a learners permit (which allows driving only under very very limited conditions).

Even with the provisional license, you have restrictions. You can only drive to/from work/school. Can't drive after curfew (10 I think?). Must have an adult licensed driver with you at all times. Once you turn 18 though, all you need to get a full license is to pass the tests. Done.


In my case, since we didn't have money for the drivers training course, and didn't have extra cars sitting around (my choices were a pinto and a big honking truck with a shell on it), I just waited until I was 18 to get my license. I'd been practicing the whole time though, so theoretically my license was easy to get. Didn't turn out that way though since the aforementioned pinto had some electrical issues that decided to appear right before the **** test (literally as we pulled up to the testing place). Turn signals stopped working and the car started sputtering and stalling. Did I mention it was a stick? Hand signals while shifting and trying to keep said car from stalling didn't work out so well.


Passed no problem on second attempt though.
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Yea I had a permit as well, you got that at 15 once you had done a few weeks of the class in school (had to fill out papers and stuff). The permit only allowed you to drive with someone 18+ who had their license. That is what had to have the 50+hours logged (you were given a book with the permit for out of school driving).

We had/have age curfews and the only way you could break them before 18 was if you could prove you were going home after work/school.

My younger brothers had different rules. There is one now that a 16yr old can not have more than one other person in the car that is under 18. This stops teens going out and getting killed in groups (something that, until this law was added, happened it seemed all the time). Once you were 17 (or so many months after the license was issued) you could have more.

Not sure if it ever passed, but there was going to be an age change to 18. It caused a sh*t storm from not just teens, but parents. So I don't think it ever happened, instead more rules (like the above with passengers) were added.

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If 16 is scary to you guys, bear in mind that in some rural-type states if a kid is doing farm/ranch related work he/she can drive the equipment on or off the farm with no license at all at any age.
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Hell, you can even get a hardship license way earlier than 16 if you can prove to a judge that you have a legitimate need to drive in your day to day life.
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In Illinois you can get a license at 16, though it's not a full license, you can only have one other person in the car with you that isn't family, and no driving after curfew, and all that jazz, the real annoyance is getting the **** thing in the first place.

Mandatory:
1) Take Driver's Ed
2) Pass Driver's Ed and Pass the written test to get your Learner's Permit
3) After you get your Learner's Permit, accumulate x hours of time behind the wheel with an adult in the car with you to sign off on it, of which 20% must be done at night (it was 50 with 10 night included when I did it, but my little sister in the year after me had to do 100/20)
4) Pass the written test again
5) Pass the actual driving test
6) Get your license

Combine all that work with the fact that the gas pedal my mom's minivan was sticky (she never noticed, but me, my little sister, and my dad all did), and the fact that I had no reason to want/need to drive in the first place, and you get me being 20 and still not having my license. I'm told that getting your license after you turn 18 is a lot easier, but I haven't bothered to look into it.
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You must live in a more populated are in IL to not need your license at 20.
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Well if I lived in Chicago I probably would not need to drive. If I lived a bit more south to use public transportation I could get around the STL area. But yea, some parts of IL have people, other parts are less then 5k towns and you need that license to get anywhere to anything.
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I think that was the insurance company getting them a new one.


Eh? The kids only get the car if the parents provide it and allow them to drive it, regardless of the insurance.
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You must live in a more populated are in IL to not need your license at 20.
I envy you.


I wish. I live in central IL, smack dab the middle of the heartland.

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If the rest of us had our way, Chicago would be a separate state, if only for the fact that people stop instantly assuming that everyone from Illinois is from Chicago, even though the Chicago Metropolitan Area constitutes 3/4 of Illinois's population. I can totally feel a kinship with New Yorkers who don't live in NYC Smiley: lol (If not for the rampant corruption, I would probably side with chicago on politics, but as it stands in IL, it doesn't matter if the politician is a republican or a democrat, there's a 75% chance they're corrupt as all ****
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Do you think a politician ceases to be corrupt if/when they move out of Chicago?
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Nah, just puts them ahead of the curve when they reach D.C. .
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