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#127 Jul 06 2011 at 4:18 PM Rating: Default
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Edit: The funniest part of this is the knowledge that Gbaji is furiously Googling to sound like an expert in cooking steaks even as he says "My friend was going to sear is on a grill which is just like searing it in a pan!"


Er? I followed a link someone posted to a crappy article attempting to debunk the argument (poorly at that) that searing doesn't seal in juices. I then googled that phrase and found that link... and about 2 dozen others all from from various food experts saying that searing doesn't seal in juices with a ton of explanations as to why.

I don't have to google anything to know how a steak should be cooked properly. The only thing google did was confirm what I already knew. So I'm not sure what your point is here. That I "furiously googled" and found that I was exactly correct all along? Um... Yeah. You got me there Joph!


I don't know what's so difficult to understand. You assert that the only thing you googled was sources to prove your claim that searing doesn't seal in juices and then immediately claimed that google confirmed that you already knew how to cook a steak properly.


You're apparently slow, so I'll explain it to you.

You're mixing up two different sentences. The second sentence of the second paragraph refers to the proving that searing doesn't really "seal in juices".


What I was saying, and which you managed to completely miss, is that I used google to verify that searing doesn't seal in juices but I didn't use google to learn how to cook a steak properly.


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Unless that second sentence there is referring to the previous paragraph, in which case you need to go and take a remedial writing course instead of lashing out at others.


The second paragraph is properly structured. I start out declaring what I *didn't* use google for, then follow up with a re-iteration of the first paragraph by stating what I *did* use google for. It's not my fault that your reading comprehension is stuck somewhere around 4th grade level.

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See the bolded portion above. Either you are making a claim about what the proper way to cook a steak is, or you decided to just be as ambiguous as possible. So you are either making a logically fallacious statement or simple writing structures are too difficult for you.


It's not ambiguous. There's only one "logical" interpretation of what I wrote. You even said that it didn't make logical sense. That should have been your first clue that you read it wrong. Most people would then return to the source and see if there was a way of reading it that did make perfect sense. You, on the other hand, chose to assume that the illogical reading of what I wrote must have been what I meant all along.


That's freaking bizarre man. It really is.
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#128 Jul 06 2011 at 4:22 PM Rating: Decent
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In case you're still confused about the structure I was using:

The first paragraph is a description of what I did: Responded to link by using google searches to find other sources which debunked said link.

The second paragraph is an explanation as to why the actions described in the first paragraph disprove Joph's claim: I don't need to google to learn how to cook steak. I only used google to debunk a specific claim.


It's not that hard to read if you aren't looking for it to be illogically structured.
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#129 Jul 06 2011 at 4:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm just assuming that as a small child, you put ketchup on your steak. Probably much to the chagrin of your parents. Now that you're older, you continue to eat steak the same way, but no longer put the ketchup on it. Grats I suppose!

Grats on you creating a fantasy in which I once ate steak with ketchup but now don't? You're really struggling here, aren't you? Smiley: laugh
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It's hilarious that not only do you know **** about steak and have to Google it but that you've spent this many words trying to deny that this is the case. This thread is one win after another.
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#131 Jul 06 2011 at 5:25 PM Rating: Default
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I'm just assuming that as a small child, you put ketchup on your steak. Probably much to the chagrin of your parents. Now that you're older, you continue to eat steak the same way, but no longer put the ketchup on it. Grats I suppose!

Grats on you creating a fantasy in which I once ate steak with ketchup but now don't? You're really struggling here, aren't you? Smiley: laugh


I notice that you don't actually deny it. Hmmmm...


You're just too easy! Ok. What's your favorite color? I bet it's blue. Yeah. Blue's the worst color. And I can prove it!

Nyah nyah!
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#132 Jul 06 2011 at 5:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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I notice that you don't actually deny it. Hmmmm...

Why would I need to? When someone is as desperate as you to change the subject by inventing fantasies, I've already won Smiley: smile
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#133 Jul 06 2011 at 5:37 PM Rating: Good
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My cousin puts ketchup on his steak... and he's almost 17 now. Smiley: disappointed
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#134 Jul 06 2011 at 5:42 PM Rating: Default
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Jophiel wrote:
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I notice that you don't actually deny it. Hmmmm...

Why would I need to? When someone is as desperate as you to change the subject by inventing fantasies, I've already won Smiley: smile


So you acknowledge that by inventing fantasies like me not knowing the difference between a grill and a pan, or that I was "furiously googling" to learn about cooking steak, you automatically handed me victory?

Yay! I won!!! Yippee... Is there like a prize? It's a pony, right?


Lol! What the hell do you think you're trying to "win" here? Um... At the risk of being obvious, you're free to eat your steak whatever the hell way you want (even though every sane person knows it's just wrong wrong wrong!). I suppose what we've determined here is that you're incredibly thin skinned about your steak and apparently terrified that someone might mention your childhood predilection for ketchup. Oh... And Iddigory seems overly focused on sentence and paragraph structure to a nearly unhealthy level.

That's about it, right? And I educated a bunch of people about the whole "searing seals juices in". So I'll call it a victory on that score. Yay!
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You're spending a lot of keystrokes trying to cover for your loss. It must sting Smiley: laugh
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#136 Jul 06 2011 at 5:50 PM Rating: Good
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He also puts ketchup on his scrabbled eggs. That's just nasty.
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#137 Jul 06 2011 at 6:00 PM Rating: Good
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He also puts ketchup on his scrabbled eggs. That's just awesome.

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#138 Jul 06 2011 at 7:03 PM Rating: Default
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You're spending a lot of keystrokes trying to cover for your loss. It must sting Smiley: laugh


Now you're just being pathetic, ketchup boy.
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#139 Jul 06 2011 at 7:12 PM Rating: Good
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If you think those paragraphs are properly structured, then there really isn't anything I can do for you beyond offering a tire iron to the head in hopes that fixes the problem.
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#140 Jul 06 2011 at 7:27 PM Rating: Default
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idiggory wrote:
If you think those paragraphs are properly structured, then there really isn't anything I can do for you beyond offering a tire iron to the head in hopes that fixes the problem.


See! Unhealthy obsession.

Sigh. They were structured well enough for anyone who wasn't intentionally looking for ways to misinterpret what was said in the most illogical and absurd way possible to have been able to follow what was being said. You honestly thought that I immediately followed up a sentence saying that I didn't need to google to learn how to properly cook steak with another sentence saying that by googling I proved that my method of cooking steak was the proper one?

Really? You didn't think that maybe that wasn't correct? It didn't occur to you to read the previous paragraph where I clearly explained what exactly I did google and why and make the somewhat obvious connection that I was talking about that and not for some bizarre reason contradicting the preceding sentence? You honestly couldn't noodle that out? It was just two paragraphs, with 2-3 sentences each. We're not talking Chaucer here or anything.


Hah. Just had a funny memory pop up. Senior year in High School, we did a section on poetry interpretation, and we each had to do a presentation in front of the class about our poem. One girl in the class finished her presentation on "The Fly". She had somehow completely failed to realize that the poem isn't actually about a fly. It's about sex. Specifically some pretty racy sexual desires. Don't get me wrong, her presentation was amusing and all, but it was just wrong. Humorously wrong. I remember because I was the one who shot his hand up when the teacher asked if anyone could tell the class what the poem was actually about. That and the girl's face going beet red.


Um... Your inability to noodle out a relatively simple couple of paragraphs is similar, just not nearly as funny.

Edited, Jul 6th 2011 6:28pm by gbaji
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#141 Jul 06 2011 at 8:37 PM Rating: Good
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No, they weren't. You began your paragraph with a statement regarding the proper cooking of steaks and then followed it with several ambiguous sentences that you allege had nothing to do with that. It's you own fault for not understanding what the purpose of a paragraph is.
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#142 Jul 06 2011 at 8:39 PM Rating: Good
What a truly pathetic argument. Don't you twits have anything better to do?
#143 Jul 06 2011 at 9:05 PM Rating: Good
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Write the 20 page final that's due Friday?
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#144 Jul 07 2011 at 12:17 AM Rating: Good
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He also puts ketchup on his scrabbled eggs. That's just awesome. And probably worth a triple word score.


#145 Jul 07 2011 at 8:27 AM Rating: Good
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If all of your posts have multiple paragraphs in them during an argument then you're doing something seriously wrong.
#146 Jul 07 2011 at 9:30 AM Rating: Good
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What a truly pathetic argument. Don't you twits have anything better to do?


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#147 Jul 07 2011 at 4:59 PM Rating: Decent
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idiggory wrote:
No, they weren't. You began your paragraph with a statement regarding the proper cooking of steaks and then followed it with several ambiguous sentences that you allege had nothing to do with that. It's you own fault for not understanding what the purpose of a paragraph is.


There were two paragraphs, numskull! You even quoted both of them.

It's two paragraphs for two parts: Description of action taken. Explanation of action taken. It's just not rocket science.
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#148 Jul 07 2011 at 5:15 PM Rating: Decent
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And, again, you don't understand the purpose of a paragraph. They are intended to separate specific ideas. You seem to have arbitrarily created a new one and began it with a sentence that was completely off topic.
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#149 Jul 07 2011 at 6:02 PM Rating: Good
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If all of your posts have multiple paragraphs in them during an argument then you're doing something seriously wrong.
Spray and pray. Throw enough lead words at it and hope the problem stops being a problem.
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#150 Jul 07 2011 at 6:14 PM Rating: Decent
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idiggory wrote:
And, again, you don't understand the purpose of a paragraph. They are intended to separate specific ideas. You seem to have arbitrarily created a new one and began it with a sentence that was completely off topic.


Really? You're going to try to argue the specifics of the use of paragraphs because you failed to read what I wrote correctly? Most of the people on this forum can't structure their posts at all, but you chose this moment and that one sentence in that one paragraph to whine? Your own ignorance of paragraph use within a larger text doesn't equate to me "doing it wrong".

par·a·graph 
n. 
1. A distinct division of written or printed matter that begins on a new, 
usually indented line, consists of one or more sentences, and typically 
deals with a single thought or topic or quotes one speaker's continuous 
words. 


It "typically" deals with a single thought or topic. It is not dogmatically limited to a "single idea" as you seem to think. Paragraphs are about structuring the flow of what you are writing. As I have explained repeatedly, the structure I used was a very basic response-style structure. First paragraph: describe what you did. Second paragraph: Explain how what you did relates to whatever you're responding to.


In this case, Joph claimed that I was "googling furiously" to learn how to cook steak. Thus, the second paragraph should contain both an explanation of why I did what I did *and* how what I did doesn't support Joph's claim. And in case you're wondering, the reason I ordered the sentences the way I did is because I intended to write just one negation (I didn't google to learn how to cook steak properly), but might write several sentences explaining why I did use google. It would have been awkward to write it the other way around. Better to start with the negation in the first sentence, then follow with the description which supports the negation.


I really have to explain this to you? Have you ever taken a writing course? Ever?

Edited, Jul 7th 2011 5:15pm by gbaji
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#151 Jul 07 2011 at 6:49 PM Rating: Decent
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You started a paragraph with a sentence on one topic and then proceeded to discuss a different one. Why is that so hard to comprehend?
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