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#52 Jun 21 2011 at 2:46 PM Rating: Good
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Nice try.
I wasn't trying anything. I'm not going to change your mind or open your eyes. You're going to see what you want to see. You asked a question and we answered it. No one expects you to like the answer, or even accept it. You never have before, so why should we think you would now?



Eske: What's there to debate? It sucks, and he'll never be self-aware enough to truly consider that. End of story.
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Almalieque: Since I'm not "self-aware" enough, why don't you educate me on how it sucks and is somehow different from any other poster here?
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Eske: No.



Once again, nice try. You're just making stuff up as usual to get your hit.


Are you saying that Ugly is making up that your question was answered? You wondered aloud why you got a different reception than Belkira. I gave you an answer. You're obstinate. You're abrasive. That's the answer that Ugly refers to.

Then, you asked another question: you wanted me to expound on why you're different than everyone else. I said no.

Unless that was supposed to be an example of you accepting our answer. It clearly isn't, though.

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#53 Jun 21 2011 at 2:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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Like I said, you see what you want to see.
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#54 Jun 21 2011 at 3:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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#55 Jun 21 2011 at 4:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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Almalieque wrote:
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Nice try.
I wasn't trying anything. I'm not going to change your mind or open your eyes. You're going to see what you want to see. You asked a question and we answered it. No one expects you to like the answer, or even accept it. You never have before, so why should we think you would now?



Eske: What's there to debate? It sucks, and he'll never be self-aware enough to truly consider that. End of story.
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Almalieque: Since I'm not "self-aware" enough, why don't you educate me on how it sucks and is somehow different from any other poster here?
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Eske: No.



Once again, nice try. You're just making stuff up as usual to get your hit.


He's not. You do have some issues. One of the main problems is this: You start debating into tangents that are relevant to your point--in your eyes only. The best example of this is whenever you give an example. Examples just don't work for you--you end up making them too detailed, opening up more topics for everyone to nitpick about and further derailing away the topic. You might view that as "adapting" but your posts lose sight of the original topic even if your mind doesn't. If you keep at it long enough, you post something completely contradictory to your original point, presenting yourself as arguing for the sake of arguing.

At that point, the only reason to even argue with you would be for entertainment value.

TL;DR version: To help fix some of your issues, learn to KISS.
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#56 Jun 21 2011 at 4:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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I find it funny that when I was arguing that this was possible, no one agreed.


Because you're an idiot.
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#57 Jun 21 2011 at 6:20 PM Rating: Good
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Nadenu wrote:
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I find it funny that when I was arguing that this was possible, no one agreed.


Because you're an idiot.


...and there's my point.
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#58 Jun 21 2011 at 8:43 PM Rating: Default
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Eske wrote:
Are you saying that Ugly is making up that your question was answered? You wondered aloud why you got a different reception than Belkira. I gave you an answer. You're obstinate. You're abrasive. That's the answer that Ugly refers to.

Then, you asked another question: you wanted me to expound on why you're different than everyone else. I said no.

Unless that was supposed to be an example of you accepting our answer. It clearly isn't, though.


I asked you for an explanation, you said "no". There's nothing else to it.

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He's not. You do have some issues. One of the main problems is this: You start debating into tangents that are relevant to your point--in your eyes only. The best example of this is whenever you give an example. Examples just don't work for you--you end up making them too detailed, *OPENING* up more topics for everyone to nitpick about and further derailing away the topic.


How is "opening* up topics more damaging than everyone nitpicking them? Opening up topics != debating topics. You all chose to make comments on topics which were later deemed "off tangent". In any case, you all are at LEAST just as guilty for any tangent that I might be a part of.

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You might view that as "adapting" but your posts lose sight of the original topic even if your mind doesn't. If you keep at it long enough, you post something completely contradictory to your original point, presenting yourself as arguing for the sake of arguing.

At that point, the only reason to even argue with you would be for entertainment value.


Uh, no.. My "adapting" is having a "I don't care" attitude. I first came to this forum caring about karma to an extent and some what caring about how people viewed me. After series of posts, I realized that actual intelligence is irrelevant. If you disagree, then your opponent is probably an idiot. People disagree friendly all of the time, but if you're that guy who is always opposing the mass, then you're labeled an idiot regardless of any merit. That's how I adapted. I realized that truth and come off with a "IDGAF" mentality because it really doesn't matter what I say, I will be treated the same way.

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I find it funny that when I was arguing that this was possible, no one agreed.


Because you're an idiot.


...and there's my point.


Exactly my point.
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#59 Jun 21 2011 at 9:21 PM Rating: Default
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Belkira wrote:
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I made a statement. People either disagreed or didn't say anything (except for Pensive). Now, people are more open to not only talk about it, but supporting my argument.

Same argument, it never changed.


Please show me an exact example of someone posting in this thread with a different opinion than the other thread. From what I'm reading, no one is saying anything different than the thread you are referencing.

As for the "changing your argument" bit, that was my mistake, I misread your first post here, sorry.


I focused on the bold for a reason. I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying in that quote.


So... who's supporting your argument, then?



I'm sorry I overlooked your comment.

Eske wrote: In college, I remember a conversation with an acquaintance who said that he had recently become gay. That he wasn't before, but now was. I saw no reason to disbelieve that, nor do I see any reason that it'd illegitimize homosexuality. There's no reason that homosexuality's "rightness" should be based on whether or not it's innate, IMO. So hypothetically speaking, I'd probably accept someone's claim that they'd become heterosexual at face value. :::

Locke wrote: Well, if he's happy now that's great. I hope he has found peace, but I agree, if someone goes complete 180 there's usually more than meets the eye. In the end its his own decision. ....:::

I spent posts after posts explaining how acting upon your feelings is a choice, but not necessarily the actual feelings themselves. Posters argued that if there is any choice involved, then I'm implying that people can choose their sexuality.

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Other than that, I was right in my first post to you. You're just being a petulent child, crying because the other kids in the sandbox won't talk to you, but they'll talk to someone else.


IT's actually quite sad. You would think by now that you would realize that I couldn't care any less of people's opinions. I've stated numerous times over that I'm only here to argue because that's entertaining to me. I even stated that I would go away if people stopped replying. Everything that I have said up to this point have supported the notion that I was merely pointing out that you all actually share the same ideas as me but just don't want to admit it.
You have absolutely nothing supporting your claim.
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#60 Jun 21 2011 at 10:12 PM Rating: Good
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He's not. You do have some issues. One of the main problems is this: You start debating into tangents that are relevant to your point--in your eyes only. The best example of this is whenever you give an example. Examples just don't work for you--you end up making them too detailed, opening up more topics for everyone to nitpick about and further derailing away the topic. You might view that as "adapting" but your posts lose sight of the original topic even if your mind doesn't. If you keep at it long enough, you post something completely contradictory to your original point, presenting yourself as arguing for the sake of arguing.

At that point, the only reason to even argue with you would be for entertainment value.

TL;DR version: To help fix some of your issues, learn to KISS.

I often get annoyed when I see low count gurus. But this is an insightful and well explained post. It's something most of us know about Alma's thread behaviour, but I've never seen anyone put it so well before. Bravo Sir, Madam or Other ^-^
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#61 Jun 21 2011 at 10:42 PM Rating: Good
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Almalieque wrote:
IT's actually quite sad. You would think by now that you would realize that I couldn't care any less of people's opinions. I've stated numerous times over that I'm only here to argue because that's entertaining to me. I even stated that I would go away if people stopped replying. Everything that I have said up to this point have supported the notion that I was merely pointing out that you all actually share the same ideas as me but just don't want to admit it.
You have absolutely nothing supporting your claim.


Heh.
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#62 Jun 21 2011 at 11:30 PM Rating: Good
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Heh.
that's joph's line.
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#63 Jun 22 2011 at 12:35 AM Rating: Good
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What Bard said.
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#64 Jun 22 2011 at 12:56 AM Rating: Good
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Almalieque wrote:

How is "opening* up topics more damaging than everyone nitpicking them? Opening up topics != debating topics. You all chose to make comments on topics which were later deemed "off tangent".


What others do is not the point. Tangents are not a weak point for other posters. Just reading your previous posts, when YOU start on a tangent or start to add to one, it hurts whatever point you're trying to make. Why you keep bothering with it is puzzling. It's like watching someone who fails at basic math and 10-Key try to work as an accountant.

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In any case, you all are at LEAST just as guilty for any tangent that I might be a part of.


This is a PERFECT example of why others are saying your attitude sucks. You are welcome to think it, but really--you seriously expect that blaming others for what you type is going to go well?

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Uh, no.. My "adapting" is having a "I don't care" attitude. I first came to this forum caring about karma to an extent and some what caring about how people viewed me. After series of posts, I realized that actual intelligence is irrelevant. If you disagree, then your opponent is probably an idiot. People disagree friendly all of the time, but if you're that guy who is always opposing the mass, then you're labeled an idiot regardless of any merit.

Thanks for the clarification. However, while idiots do exist, mental warnings eventually go off if someone is consistently "against the masses." Even the most brain-dead idiot starts realizing after a while that, just maybe, this probably isn't the best place to post if he/she is constantly "against the masses." You wouldn't go to a Christian message board saying that God doesn't exist and expect a civil discussion on it.

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That's how I adapted. I realized that truth and come off with a "IDGAF" mentality because it really doesn't matter what I say, I will be treated the same way.


That's actually not true. People were treating you in a very civil manner in the last thread you started until you went into a tangent. Once you started talking about yourself and your opinion instead of your original topic/question, that's when the vitriol started flying. It got even worse for you when you started constructing examples. That is why tangents are not your strong point.



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#65 Jun 22 2011 at 5:46 AM Rating: Default
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What others do is not the point. Tangents are not a weak point for other posters. Just reading your previous posts, when YOU start on a tangent or start to add to one, it hurts whatever point you're trying to make. Why you keep bothering with it is puzzling. It's like watching someone who fails at basic math and 10-Key try to work as an accountant.


I'm not arguing with myself. No matter how much you want to deny it, you are part of the problem. A perfect example is the 37 page prop 8 thread I've been referencing to. The thread started off talking about SSM and prop 8. OTHER POSTERS (i.e. NOT ME) made the comparison to "Separate but Equal". I countered that claim to say that there is a difference between discriminating against a physical trait that can/will not naturally change vs a personality trait that can change. From there, people inferred that would mean sexuality was a choice if it could change. I later proceeded to argue that the feelings aren't a choice, but the decisions to act upon them are choices.


In that example, both me and other posters were on "both sides of the fence" and the argument continued because at each time, we felt like our contribution was relevant. If people were so concerned about getting off on tangents, then they would say it as something is starting, not pages, threads and days later.

Yet, till this day, I always get sole blame for creating a 20+ pages. So, as I always say, I'm not sure what fantasy world you and your other delusional supporters are in, but I live in reality and realizes each side is guilty for any tangent that exceeds a few posts.

Just like how I broke down the transitions of the prop 8 thread mentioned above, I have done so for every single other thread when accused for "going on tangents".
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#66 Jun 22 2011 at 5:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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Just go away you ******* ******. I've never wished death upon someone, but I'm getting close with you if it means I never have to come here and see you again.
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#67Almalieque, Posted: Jun 22 2011 at 6:09 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Sorry for the double post.. forgot there was more.
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#69 Jun 22 2011 at 6:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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Seriously guys?


SERIOUSLY?




COME ON NOW, YOU ARE ******* KILLING ME!







SERIOUSLY?

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Seriously guys?


SERIOUSLY?




COME ON NOW, YOU ARE @#%^ING KILLING ME!







SERIOUSLY?

Ya, seriously. Alma might be a more or less useless piece of garbage, but the man knows how to derail a thread.
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THERE ARE A MILLION BETTER WAYS TO DERAIL A THREAD THAN TO ARGUE WITH ALMA.
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#72 Jun 22 2011 at 6:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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If you were still an admin, you could ban his dumb ***. Guess you weren't thinking long term when you walked away from that, were you? This is your fault.
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#73 Jun 22 2011 at 6:49 AM Rating: Excellent
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Heh.
that's joph's line.


Eh, sometimes he says "lulz" or "tee hee" (which I find disturbing for some reason).


edit: Also, Ugly's right. Way to go, Nix. GG.

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Locke wrote: Well, if he's happy now that's great. I hope he has found peace, but I agree, if someone goes complete 180 there's usually more than meets the eye. In the end its his own decision. ....:::


You misunderstood my comment. I don't think he's deciding his sexuality - I think he's deciding how to live his life. What matters is if he's happy now. If he is, we have no reason to criticize. No one can truly say what another person's sexuality is; and I don't think sexuality can change. If he's "straight" now it's because:
1. He's lying about not being attracted to men
2. He's been sexually attracted to both men and women and decided on one over the other
3. He's been straight the entire time, but has felt the need to fit in with teh gayz.

I also have no idea why you quoted me. I don't even know what your last thread was, and I highly doubt I commented on it at all. I don't prove your point, unless the point is I don't read most of your stuff.
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Just go away you @#%^ing ******. I've never wished death upon someone, but I'm getting close with you if it means I never have to come here and see you again.
This is all your fault. Well, I guess I can blame Belkira too.
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Hey, Spoonless, no one is listening to us in here, lets just go sit in the corner and roll our eyes at everyone.
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