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#127 May 06 2009 at 8:15 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well if you really do decide to leave Nix, I really enjoyed your posts as a lurker of 3ish years. Anyways, if anyone wants to keep up with me because of my amazing 30 posts that have certainly left an impression, PM me.
#128 May 06 2009 at 8:16 AM Rating: Default
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#129 May 06 2009 at 8:16 AM Rating: Good
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So explain why you think it is "manipulate tripe?" (actually i think you said manipulative trite but I think this is the word you meant)
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#130 May 06 2009 at 8:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah because "I'm sorry doesn't literally mean you sympathize". Oh wait!

You are right. I misspoke earlier and made inaccurate claims. I apologize. :)

My real gripe is with people apologizing insincerely.

Edited, May 6th 2009 11:19am by Allegory
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Warchief Annabella wrote:
So explain why you think it is "manipulate tripe?" (actually i think you said manipulative trite but I think this is the word you meant)
Really? You know that he takes the words "I'm sorry" in a very literal sense and you can't understand why someone in customer service using those words on him would be manipulative tripe to him? Really?
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#132 May 06 2009 at 8:20 AM Rating: Decent
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Allegory wrote:
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Yeah because "I'm sorry doesn't literally mean you sympathize". Oh wait!

You are right. I misspoke earlier and made inaccurate claims. I apologize. :)

My real gripe is with people apologizing insincerely.

Edited, May 6th 2009 11:19am by Allegory


So, why are you assuming people here are insincere in their apologies?
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#133 May 06 2009 at 8:21 AM Rating: Decent
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Warchief Annabella wrote:
So explain why you think it is "manipulate tripe?" (actually i think you said manipulative trite but I think this is the word you meant)
Really? You know that he takes the words "I'm sorry" in a very literal sense and you can't understand why someone in customer service using those words on him would be manipulative tripe to him? Really?


I can imagine it. I just want to hear him say it or explain it in a way that seems logical. He took a big leap from saying something might not make sense for him to calling it manipulative tripe and he needs to explain himself.
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#134 May 06 2009 at 8:21 AM Rating: Decent
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"While not wishing to inadvertently assume blame for your current situation or feelings, I would like to offer to you my sincere regrets and assure you of my sympathy for your plight. This empathetic response on my part should be considered a singular event and not be cause for any expectation of further reaction and or remedy."


Would you not prefer that we all had enough time to clarify the meaning of our words so thoroughly? Really that would be awesome if it wasn't so impractical.
#135 May 06 2009 at 8:25 AM Rating: Decent
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Nonsensical if you dismiss connotative meaning and social conventions, basically understanding about 50% of what words actually mean in conversations.

Yes, nonsensical when examining the literal meaning of words. Which is why I framed the answer as such. Which is I stated the difference between saying and achieving.


Only thing is, no one in the real world actually talks the way you type **** out. Except for me. I type what I talk. Cause I'm not a prat.
#136 May 06 2009 at 8:30 AM Rating: Decent
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Warchief Annabella wrote:
So explain why you think it is "manipulate tripe?" (actually i think you said manipulative trite but I think this is the word you meant)

I mistook the form "trite," took and assumed it to be a noun, because I have always heard it used as a noun. The correction of my mistake would be manipulative triteness.

1. Because in the context Samira was using it, although she may not be insincere, the person delivering the words typically is. I wouldn't blame a call center employee for insincerely apologizing for any of the hundreds of corrective requests in a given day, but it is still insincere.

2. Because the person delivering the words hasn't wronged me. They have no reason to apologize to me when I haven't been wronged by them. They are attempting to apologize when they cannot accept blame. although their feelings may be sincere I cannot know, because their words aren't.

I also think there is no argument in saying that because of the way I am the problems of communication are intensified when what someone literally says and what that person intends conflict.

Edited, May 6th 2009 11:31am by Allegory
#137 May 06 2009 at 8:33 AM Rating: Decent
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2. Because the person delivering the words hasn't wronged me. They have no reason to apologize to me when I haven't been wrong. They are attempting to apologize when they cannot accept blame. although their feelings may be sincere I cannot know, because their words aren't.


This is an assumption on your part and one made because you dismiss connotative meaning. You also dismiss the apologies of people who are sorry when they are representing something else--i.e. an institution that has been inadequate.

Edited, May 6th 2009 12:35pm by Annabella
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#138 May 06 2009 at 8:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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On a large majority of the boards I'm on, one of the rules is that you're not allowed to question/discuss the moderation on the board. If you have problems with it, you PM the admins and discuss it in private.
This is my experience as well and something I think we should remedy and enforce going forward. Two ups for you. :)
On the boards I've been on, there was a set place in which administrative policies/actions could be questioned. Sometimes, it's a multipurpose forum and sometimes it's a set "Feedback" style forum. That way people can actually -- gasp -- question policies without doing so all over the forums.

It's asinine to have a "Forum Feedback" forum where you're not allowed to question the moderators or their actions.
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#139 May 06 2009 at 8:38 AM Rating: Good
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This is from Mindel:

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After hearing about the continuing drama via facebook, I came too read Nix's thread and I really need to set something straight here. I don't want anyone on this forum to labor under the misconception that my post was some sort of stunt or that it had anything to do with the contest. Throughout the contest drama I remained only peripherally aware that anything was even going on and until Kaolian's most recent reply in Nix's thread, I honestly had no real clue what the issue was or why people were so upset over it.

My issue, and the catalyst for my post, was not that Kaolian muted BT, but rather the post he made directly after doing so. While I regret having vented my anger towards Kaolian (which has been building for many, many months) via a few personal jabs, I absolutely stand by the meat of what I said. It is my opinion that Kaolian approaches his work on Allakhazam with a disgustingly patronizing and self-aggrandizing attitude that shows nothing less than blatant disrespect towards the customers he is meant to be serving. I realize that it can be difficult to suss out the meaning of a post by someone who is a self-described troll, but sometimes I do post in absolute sincerity and seriousness. This is one of those times.

I don't have an issue with being muted, and having seen Kaolian pitch such hissy-fits on many occasions in the past, I expected absolutely nothing else from him. I still have an issue with the way he treats us on these forums and I have absolutely no intention of utilizing a service whose administration feels that such demeaning and condescending conduct is appropriate.

While I certainly don't expect it, I would not consider returning to this site (much less paying for it) without an earnest apology from Kaolian delivered publicly, not to me, but to the Allakhazam community as a whole.
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#140 May 06 2009 at 8:39 AM Rating: Good
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Warchief Annabella wrote:
This is an assumption on your point and one made because you dismiss connotative meaning. You also dismiss the apologies of people who are sorry when they are representing something else--i.e. an institution that has been inadequate.

I already accounted for connotative meaning. Connotative meaning is part of intended meaning. Connotation is not something directly attached to a word like literal meaning. Connotation changes much more based on context and other elements of nonverbal communication.

I also do not like you usage of the word dismiss. There are some concepts that I toss away, but there also are some that I simply don't understand. This appears to be a case where I simply cannot understand the person's position.

This thread has been a reminder at how poor I am with English and how much I hate it.

Edited, May 6th 2009 11:41am by Allegory
#141 May 06 2009 at 8:41 AM Rating: Good
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I also do not like you usage of the word dismiss. There are some concepts that I toss away, but there also are some that I simply don't understand. This appears to be a case where I simply cannot understand the person's position.


I get frustrated because you criticize me alot for focusing on connotation and I feel dismissed in those discussions.
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#142 May 06 2009 at 8:45 AM Rating: Decent
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Warchief Annabella wrote:
I get frustrated because you criticize me alot for focusing on connotation and I feel dismissed in those discussions.

At least part of it is that I cannot communicate effectively with connotative meaning. Whenever you make use of it you are speaking partly in a language I don't understand so I grab on to what you are literally saying, and it seems that there is often a conflict between what you are literally saying and what you mean. Maybe I'm wrong in trying to force you to play by my rules, but I know I can't play by yours.

It's also not very fun being reminded of things I can't do.

Edited, May 6th 2009 11:46am by Allegory
#143 May 06 2009 at 8:47 AM Rating: Good
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Just admitting that we communicate differently is enough acknowledgment for me. One of us doesn't have to be right.

Edited, May 6th 2009 12:48pm by Annabella
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#144 May 06 2009 at 8:48 AM Rating: Good
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Mindel wrote:
While I certainly don't expect it, I would not consider returning to this site (much less paying for it) without an earnest apology from Kaolian delivered publicly, not to me, but to the Allakhazam community as a whole.


Bye Mindel. Smiley: frown
#145 May 06 2009 at 8:48 AM Rating: Decent
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Warchief Annabella wrote:
This is from Mindel:

Mindel wrote:
After hearing about the continuing drama via facebook, I came too read Nix's thread and I really need to set something straight here. I don't want anyone on this forum to labor under the misconception that my post was some sort of stunt or that it had anything to do with the contest. Throughout the contest drama I remained only peripherally aware that anything was even going on and until Kaolian's most recent reply in Nix's thread, I honestly had no real clue what the issue was or why people were so upset over it.

My issue, and the catalyst for my post, was not that Kaolian muted BT, but rather the post he made directly after doing so. While I regret having vented my anger towards Kaolian (which has been building for many, many months) via a few personal jabs, I absolutely stand by the meat of what I said. It is my opinion that Kaolian approaches his work on Allakhazam with a disgustingly patronizing and self-aggrandizing attitude that shows nothing less than blatant disrespect towards the customers he is meant to be serving. I realize that it can be difficult to suss out the meaning of a post by someone who is a self-described troll, but sometimes I do post in absolute sincerity and seriousness. This is one of those times.

I don't have an issue with being muted, and having seen Kaolian pitch such hissy-fits on many occasions in the past, I expected absolutely nothing else from him. I still have an issue with the way he treats us on these forums and I have absolutely no intention of utilizing a service whose administration feels that such demeaning and condescending conduct is appropriate.

While I certainly don't expect it, I would not consider returning to this site (much less paying for it) without an earnest apology from Kaolian delivered publicly, not to me, but to the Allakhazam community as a whole.
Honestly, he looks like he gave it earlier in this thread, and for that, I applaud the man.

He's not a perfect being, none of us are. He made mistakes, he was the full Kao of legend, but he just picked a target that people liked instead of people hated. However, he's been responsible enough to come at this with fresh eyes and say he did wrong.

Now, Mindel, BT, I think you know damn well you both pushed over the edge by doing what you did publicly. I get that it was mishandled, Kao admits as much. But he's not alone in the overreaction.

Whether by proxy or in person, it's up to those on the other side of this to come up, apologize, and put this whole mess to rest.
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#146 May 06 2009 at 8:51 AM Rating: Excellent
This is the best attention whoring thread ever.
#147 May 06 2009 at 8:54 AM Rating: Good
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This is the best attention whoring thread ever.


You have a gift.
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This is the best attention whoring thread ever.


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#149 May 06 2009 at 9:23 AM Rating: Excellent
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It's asinine to have a "Forum Feedback" forum where you're not allowed to question the moderators or their actions.


I disagree. Because that is just setting up the soapbox elsewhere. You agree to the terms of service and rules of conduct before your very first post.

I prefer a "You agree to take issues with the Moderators/Administrators in a Private Message" vs. "I agree to go rant and cause a stink in another forum where I can bury genuine forum issues with my personal panty wedgies".
#150 May 06 2009 at 9:26 AM Rating: Decent
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I prefer a "You agree to take issues with the Moderators/Administrators in a Private Message" vs. "I agree to go rant and cause a stink in another forum where I can bury genuine forum issues with my personal panty wedgies".


But wait...

Didn't an Admin tell Senji to do that?
#151 May 06 2009 at 9:27 AM Rating: Good
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It's asinine to have a "Forum Feedback" forum where you're not allowed to question the moderators or their actions.


I disagree. Because that is just setting up the soapbox elsewhere. You agree to the terms of service and rules of conduct before your very first post.

I prefer a "You agree to take issues with the Moderators/Administrators in a Private Message" vs. "I agree to go rant and cause a stink in another forum where I can bury genuine forum issues with my personal panty wedgies".
The problem with this is that oftentimes such PM's grievances are an issue that many are concerned with. Would you rather have 200 PM's saying "This sucks," or one thread saying "Does anyone else think this suck?" and deal with it publicly?
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