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#127 May 05 2009 at 10:54 AM Rating: Good
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I think Joph put it best with the kitty box thang. Personally, I rarely visit the Asylum or Alla's anymore just because forum=4 has damn near gone comatose. I rarely post in the OOT because it would frankly take more effort than it's worth to get the gist of all the in-jokes and memes so I would know what the hell people were talking about.

So I guess what I'm saying, is meh.
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#128 May 05 2009 at 11:02 AM Rating: Good
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Well, in all honesty, I have no idea where I'd belong if the forums were merged and a brand new forum emerged from the ashes of the Sandbox. As it is now, I post in both the Asylum and the OOT, but I'm not 100% comfortable in the Asylum.


I'm with Belkira on this one. Although I guess I'm not 100% comfortable in the OOT either since I'm considerably new here as well. No one has told me to GTFO yet so I guess you either like me or don't give a damn. Either way I'll sleep at night.
#129 May 05 2009 at 11:07 AM Rating: Decent
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Ok, has the butthurt really reached this level? Seriously?

Mute me if you want, but I'm tired of being quiet on this.

Kao made a mistake, he got called on said mistake, said mistake was not acknowledge for some time, and people got pissed. Then someone of the admin crew thought it was a great idea to publicly roast a forum poster instead of, quite professionally, just dealing with it via PMs.

I like Kaolian, I do. But I'm getting this sense that he needs a slight break from being an admin, or at least admin lead for a bit. This smacks of personal insult, and you can mute me for that as well Kao.

And this merger or behave bull... The OOT has been in this state for how many years? It's the release valve for all the sarcastic posts in the site. It's where people come to laugh and have a good time, often at one another' expense. To change that, to force them to conform now is your choice, I just don't see the point. Are you losing subscriptions over it? Are there lawsuits pending? What about this situation differs from any previous one?

I know that you are all reasonable people, but this is just been a series of kneejerk reactions that are spiraling out of control. We are not questioning your authority. We are not trying to run this board however we see fit. There are about 3-4 members of the forum's community that caused the fuss to begin with, and summarily judging us all on their action is just the same as judging all admins for the failings of a few, and I recall that directly offended you personally Darq.

So, there's two reactions you can have to this thread:

1) Mute me/Warn me for being a "disturbing influence" for mentioning anything of the above

2) Seriously consider what's in this post, and what you have seen, and take a reasonable, logical action toward your clientele, even if that involves public apology for being human, making mistakes, or overreacting.

Hell, half the reason I DIDN'T jump in behind those rioting over some of the recent events was due to the fact that I thought they were overreacting too.

So let's call it at even, have BT and Mindel serve out their mutes, make amends and move on.
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#130 May 05 2009 at 11:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well, see, here's the advantage of moving threads. You post a thread that's too racy or too mean or whatever for the OOT, and it gets moved to the Asylum. You do it again, it gets moved again. Eventually you catch on and start making those sorts of threads in the Asylum.

Here's the problem: you start a happy fluffy kitten thread, and someone comes along and makes obscene statements in it and it gets moved. Grats, they've just griefed you.

So in those cases it's fine to nuke a post, if the "owner" of the thread doesn't want it moved.
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#131 May 05 2009 at 11:14 AM Rating: Decent
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Up to you. I think most of us have had a chance to say what we wanted to say, and this thread will be derailed soon.

I just want to repeat that moving threads to the appropriate forum is a better solution than creating 29347 different forums on a continuum of niceness.


I demand a moderately diabolical forum, and I demand it now!
#132 May 05 2009 at 11:24 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yes, that'll be forum=666. Enjoy your stay!

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#133 May 05 2009 at 11:41 AM Rating: Decent
Samira wrote:
Yes, that'll be forum=666. Enjoy your stay!


I tried posting there, but my thread was unrated before I could even read it. I think I might need to downgrade to "mildly amoral".
#134 May 05 2009 at 11:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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Clearly, the solution is to have =4 and =28 redirect to the same forum, but to keep the respective titles, so that the Asylumites still think they're posting in the Asylum, and the OoTers still think they're posting in the OoT.
#135 May 05 2009 at 12:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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Kavekk wrote:
Samira wrote:
Yes, that'll be forum=666. Enjoy your stay!


I tried posting there, but my thread was unrated before I could even read it. I think I might need to downgrade to "mildly amoral".


I'd say forum=69 but I believe that one is locked.

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#136 May 05 2009 at 12:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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DDP.





Edited, May 5th 2009 4:17pm by Samira
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#137 May 05 2009 at 12:23 PM Rating: Decent
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Samira wrote:
DDP.


I agree, drink Dr. Pepper.
#138 May 05 2009 at 12:38 PM Rating: Decent
MentalFrog wrote:
Samira wrote:
DDP.


I agree, drink Dr. Pepper.


What's the worst that could ha
#140 May 05 2009 at 12:50 PM Rating: Good
Kavekk wrote:
MentalFrog wrote:
Samira wrote:
DDP.


I agree, drink Dr. Pepper.


What's the worst that could ha


Half-posts are never acceptable or amusing.
#141 May 05 2009 at 12:56 PM Rating: Default
Somehow, Merging the OOT with the Asylm could be one big Cluster ????
Asking the OOT to behave? Hum, I could see maybe 3-5 that would. The rest????

Newbie forums? Nice idea but could be just as much a cluster as merging the OOT.

Maybe, a few bannings, Status reductions, temp bans, Mutings, more moderation.
might help a great bunch.
#142 May 05 2009 at 12:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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The One and Only Darkdoom wrote:
We need a forum for people who can't handle posters like BT and Mindel, rescind the recent rules about content in the OoT, leave the Asylum as is, and move on. We get our OoT, the newbs get a place to **** around and eventually migrate to the OoT when they get bored, and the asylum stays as the asylum.


Gonna parallel Red's post a bit. That's the wrong approach IMO.

The OOT was originally created for exactly that reason. The existing OOT was kinda rowdy and most of the people knew eachother (cause most of us were old EQ veterans). As Alla added more games, it brought more posters who were not in the "clique". There was tension. It was not so much about subject matter, but the sense of being tossed into the deep end of the pool/litterbox.

The OOT was renamed the Asylum to give people a place for "no holds barred" discussion, while a new OOT was created to be the place for new people to cut their teeth in without feeling the stress of forum veterans blasting them.


The correct response should be for forum posters who become more harsh and/or more "veteran" to post in the Asylum instead of the OOT. We already have two forums guys. One for the newbies and folks who just want to post friendly off topic stuff without being flamed to death, and one for more jaded and serious (read: flame-inducing) conversations. Those are the OOT and Asylum. Let's not change things, but rather just moderate the posts appropriately.

I think that many people are thinking in terms of community. The folks in the OOT are used to eachother and have formed another clique, separate from that of the Asylum. That may be, but that wasn't the intent, and it's kinda silly IMO to carry forward with that. So what? We create a third forum, and new people who aren't in the Asylum clique or the OOT clique go there? And in a few years, do we have new-new-new-new people who don't get along with the new-new-new people in the new-OOT complain and create a fourth off topic forum for them?


I just see that as becoming silly and unsustainable. I also think merging is equally silly. How is that different than just telling people that they should post in the Asylum instead of the OOT? We don't need a forum for posters who can't handle folks like BT and Mindel. BT and Mindel need to start posting in the correct forum for their content. We need to stop viewing this as one clique or another clique, but "no-holds barred" versus "shallow end of the pool". I think that a little admin moderation on this will encourage a lot of self moderation by the posters and the problem will fix itself.


Um... So basically, the regular OOT posters need to realize that they are no longer the forum newbies (most of them) and let go of the wall, cross the floaty rope thingie, and start swimming in the deep end of the pool with the big kids.

Edited, May 5th 2009 1:58pm by gbaji
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#143 May 05 2009 at 12:57 PM Rating: Good
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Lady Kalivha wrote:
Kavekk wrote:
MentalFrog wrote:
Samira wrote:
DDP.


I agree, drink Dr. Pepper.


What's the worst that could ha


Half-posts are never acceptable or amusing.


We will however accept payment in Dr. Pepper form
#144 May 05 2009 at 12:58 PM Rating: Good
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Maybe, a few bannings, Status reductions, temp bans, Mutings, more moderation.
might help a great bunch.


As usual, tailmon is way off. Maybe quoting like Smash will help.
#145 May 05 2009 at 1:05 PM Rating: Default
Tarub wrote:
Maybe, a few bannings, Status reductions, temp bans, Mutings, more moderation.
might help a great bunch.


As usual, tailmon is way off. Maybe quoting like Smash will help.


I doubt I'm way off at all. Have you moderated forums? Handled situations like this? Untill you have done so? Don't go saying I'm way off.
I've been there done that and have several cupie dolls and a long list of bannings from other forums I've modded
Pretty much the open fun part of the OOT is gone and untill people act more adult and stop the harassment and worst?
In the one forum I mod the Admin just close the particular forum and if you carry on in another?

You can pack your bags and leave

I'm more than certain we all signed up with some kind of rules and expected behavior to stay on the forums. Maybe, It's time for the rules to be used?
#146 May 05 2009 at 1:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
We create a third forum, and new people who aren't in the Asylum clique or the OOT clique go there? And in a few years, do we have new-new-new-new people who don't get along with the new-new-new people in the new-OOT complain and create a fourth off topic forum for them
I like Gbaji's plan. Let's do this.
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#147 May 05 2009 at 1:12 PM Rating: Good
Tailmon, what sort of forum have you moderated?

There are HUGE differences.

Let's take... a forum about recreational drugs. Those need to be closely moderated, even PMs, because you can't offer server space for a heroin marketplace.


€dit: Also, Zam.com is a business. It's not some phpBB fun forum.

Edited, May 5th 2009 11:14pm by Kalivha
#148 May 05 2009 at 1:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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€dit: Also, Zam.com is a serious business. It's not some phpBB fun forum.
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Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#149 May 05 2009 at 1:15 PM Rating: Good
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Tarub wrote:
Maybe, a few bannings, Status reductions, temp bans, Mutings, more moderation.
might help a great bunch.


As usual, tailmon is way off. Maybe quoting like Smash will help.


I doubt I'm way off at all. Have you moderated forums? Handled situations like this? Untill you have done so? Don't go saying I'm way off.
I've been there done that and have several cupie dolls and a long list of bannings from other forums I've modded
Pretty much the open fun part of the OOT is gone and untill people act more adult and stop the harassment and worst?
In the one forum I mod the Admin just close the particular forum and if you carry on in another?

You can pack your bags and leave

I'm more than certain we all signed up with some kind of rules and expected behavior to stay on the forums. Maybe, It's time for the rules to be used?
Don't talk about tucking your sack back, it's offensive.
#150 May 05 2009 at 1:18 PM Rating: Decent
Lady Kalivha wrote:
Tailmon, what sort of forum have you moderated?

There are HUGE differences.

Let's take... a forum about recreational drugs. Those need to be closely moderated, even PMs, because you can't offer server space for a heroin marketplace.


€dit: Also, Zam.com is a business. It's not some phpBB fun forum.

Edited, May 5th 2009 11:14pm by Kalivha
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#151 May 05 2009 at 1:24 PM Rating: Decent
I've moderated the worlds largest Anime forums. (yes it was a business also)
I still moderate one of the worlds larges Car forums. (also a business owned)
I moderated several MSN chats including one for Lesbians and of course Transexuals.

You cam rate me into oblivion (notes default already)
But, Things need to be handled here and if it takes people like me to
Point out the problems? So be it.
Being a Mod or an Admin also means that you should not play favorites or even be liked at your job. Believe me you can and do get some rather nasty hate emails and even people that come and try to hack your account/comp.

We all signed on here and agreed to follow the rules they set. Posting here is a privilage and can be taken away. Perhaps, a bit more inforcment would be a really good thing.
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