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#27
May 05 2009 at 6:41 AM
I should have said this earlier, but I also think trying to settle on a plan of action now is stupid before goals have been clearly identified. If something is going to change, what are we trying to achieve? Do we want new member growth? Do we want to separate the harsher and more gentler posts? Do we want to increase current posting activity?
#28
May 05 2009 at 6:41 AM
Allegory wrote:
LobsterJohnson the Braindead wrote:
This is why the forums are getting slower, it's a hassle just to make a post. There's really nothing to post about in an OoT without Books, movies, and television. I don't want to talk about my feelings and I don't want to talk about politics. I want to talk about the last episode of Fringe which was CRAAAAAAAAAZY.
I agree to an extent, and I am also partly responsible as I pushed strongly for an anime forum, which ended in teh creation of a media forum. Still I think the OOT was slowing down even before then.
I don't blame you Allegory :3
#29
May 05 2009 at 6:42 AM
Samira wrote:
In my view, though, the OOT and the Asylum have very different flavors and the commingling will be a little strange.
Samira can put things into words much better then me
#30
May 05 2009 at 6:42 AM
Nexa wrote:
Samira wrote:
Also I think it's hilarious that Joph and I both used cat sh*t metaphors.
haha, I thought you did that as a RESPONSE to his cat sh*t metaphor...it's a riot that it was independent!
Nexa
I was horrified when I hit post and then saw his. It's like we showed up wearing the same dress.
Made of cat ****.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
#31
May 05 2009 at 6:43 AM
Overlord MagingMartin wrote:
I always thought of the asylum as an area to post high brow discussion/news.
Sometimes we get to act like elitist ******** while discussing politics and then it all comes together in beautiful harmony. We call those "week days".
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#32
May 05 2009 at 6:44 AM
Nexa wrote:
I picked "leave the current options". The first option sounds to me like reinventing the wheel and I think you'd end up with the same people in the "newbie area" where it's safe and the same people in the Asylum after a readjustment period. Basically, we have enough options available to those who choose to post appropriately. I would say stepping up the thread moving might be a good way to demonstrate to those in the OOT what is and what is not appropriate for this particular forum. I think folks will get mighty annoyed, but since there seems to be an issue of clarity on what exactly is acceptable in this forum that may be the best way to get the point across.
/shrug
Nexa
/shrug
Nexa
I concur, Nexa is right as always. Moving threads might be a better answer, at least if we want to debate aggressively let it be in a forum where it is most appropriate (and perhaps to the judgment of our better worded peers, learn from the action)
Edited, May 5th 2009 7:44am by niobia
#33
May 05 2009 at 6:47 AM
LobsterJohnson the Braindead wrote:
Oh it was, but now it's just pooling at the bottom of a shallow grave, I don't even post movie reviews or movie threads anymore because I don't want to muddle through the BS of it getting moved or finding the proper forum to post it in. (That wouldn't have the desired audience anyway)
I don't blame you Allegory :3
I don't blame you Allegory :3
I suppose you don't like the audience of forum =5 or feel it wouldn't receive enough views?
Blame is meaningless, but I wondering if it was actually a mistake to push to turn =5 into a media forum.
#34
May 05 2009 at 6:50 AM
As an aside, I'd be supportive of merging 28 and 5. I don't see the need for a separate media forum since it falls under the realm of OOT anyway. Even I forget about it's existence for months at a time. I recognize that it had a place prior to the =4/oot split, but it seems redundant now. Is there some current justification for the separation that I'm missing?
Nexa
Nexa
“It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes. But a half-wit remains a half-wit, and the emperor remains an emperor.â€
― Neil Gaiman, The Sandman, Vol. 9: The Kindly Ones
― Neil Gaiman, The Sandman, Vol. 9: The Kindly Ones
#35
May 05 2009 at 6:51 AM
You should abolish the media forums, make a newbie gathering forum and mod it heavily so your precious little ones don't hear naughty things. Rename the Asylum to forum=Boring,Olde, and Better than you , and the OOT to forum=Memes and Media : GFY.
Edited, May 5th 2009 8:52am by Tarub
Edited, May 5th 2009 8:52am by Tarub
#36
May 05 2009 at 6:52 AM
People got what they thought they wanted, and now realize it wasn't what they needed.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
#37
May 05 2009 at 6:52 AM
niobia wrote:
Nexa is right as always.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#38
May 05 2009 at 6:55 AM
Nexa wrote:
Is there some current justification for the separation that I'm missing?
I can't really say that there is.
Originally the intention was to create a separate anime forum. This idea grew from the large amounts of objection in the OOT whenever an anime topic came up. Several members also felt having a clearly labeled anime forum would help draw more interest to the subject. What ultimately occurred made sense at the time, but was in perhaps in retrospect a bad push by myself and others.
I think it is worth considering remerging most aspects of the media forum with the OOT, though I not sure what =5 would be left with. Personally I don't mind discussing anime in the OOT so long as it doesn't annoy disinterested people enough that those posters actually stop posting in the OOT, but I don't see the topic receiving enough volume to achieve that.
I think there are several good ideas being thrown around in this thread, but that the subject needs better organization and more time for people to weigh in.
Edited, May 5th 2009 9:58am by Allegory
#39
May 05 2009 at 6:58 AM
Jophiel wrote:
Overlord MagingMartin wrote:
I always thought of the asylum as an area to post high brow discussion/news.
Sometimes we get to act like elitist @#%^s while discussing politics and then it all comes together in beautiful harmony. We call those "week days".
Well if that's true, let the Asylum be the high brow discussion forum, and the OoT be the uncut raw gathering of drama/haet/memes/elitist *****.
#40
May 05 2009 at 6:59 AM
Nexa wrote:
Is there some current justification for the separation that I'm missing?
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#41
May 05 2009 at 6:59 AM
Lock a thread, you kill traffic dead. Move an open thread, you channel traffic to the appropriate area.
I've said it before and I can't stress enough that I think it needs to be done this way, whether or not we keep the current Asylum/OOT, or merge them and make a NEW new newbie friendly area.
DON'T LOCK the flame-war (trolling, meanie-head) threads or posts in the "Nice" forum. MOVE them over to the appropriate Flame-Friendly forum, and out of the Nice forum, and keep them OPEN in the Flame forum.
1. That way the Flame forum keeps getting an influx of new life, and probably influxes from posters who are brave enough to follow a thread they are interested in into the bigger, badder, Flame forum.
2. If the current denizens of the Flame forum get irritated by having unexpected "Nice" threads dumped on them, fairly full of "Nice" posts, then it's all fuels for the Flames. Or not. It's either a win or a neutral, but it keeps things moving.
3. "Nice" posters who can't take Flames are fairly warned if a thread goes to the Flame forum, where no holds are barred, all bets are off, there is no protection, etc. There's no point to them following a thread there if they know they can't take it, and they can't irritate other posters there by calling for admin help in the Flame forum.
4. Their persecuting troll got put in their right place by the thread being moved over from "Nice" to "Flame". The "Nice" posters kind of lose out too, but they can ressurect the subject with a new OP in the "Nice" forum. They'll probably come up with a whole new word for it, like: "x:REDUX"
5. If big nasty Trolls keep getting their posts put in the Flame forum on a regular basis, they'll most likely just settle in and stay there. People who like to lurk and read the Trolls will likely stay lurking in the Flame forum for them. People who can't cope with the Trolls will not be troubled by them so often.
Edited, May 5th 2009 11:01am by Aripyanfar
I've said it before and I can't stress enough that I think it needs to be done this way, whether or not we keep the current Asylum/OOT, or merge them and make a NEW new newbie friendly area.
DON'T LOCK the flame-war (trolling, meanie-head) threads or posts in the "Nice" forum. MOVE them over to the appropriate Flame-Friendly forum, and out of the Nice forum, and keep them OPEN in the Flame forum.
1. That way the Flame forum keeps getting an influx of new life, and probably influxes from posters who are brave enough to follow a thread they are interested in into the bigger, badder, Flame forum.
2. If the current denizens of the Flame forum get irritated by having unexpected "Nice" threads dumped on them, fairly full of "Nice" posts, then it's all fuels for the Flames. Or not. It's either a win or a neutral, but it keeps things moving.
3. "Nice" posters who can't take Flames are fairly warned if a thread goes to the Flame forum, where no holds are barred, all bets are off, there is no protection, etc. There's no point to them following a thread there if they know they can't take it, and they can't irritate other posters there by calling for admin help in the Flame forum.
4. Their persecuting troll got put in their right place by the thread being moved over from "Nice" to "Flame". The "Nice" posters kind of lose out too, but they can ressurect the subject with a new OP in the "Nice" forum. They'll probably come up with a whole new word for it, like: "x:REDUX"
5. If big nasty Trolls keep getting their posts put in the Flame forum on a regular basis, they'll most likely just settle in and stay there. People who like to lurk and read the Trolls will likely stay lurking in the Flame forum for them. People who can't cope with the Trolls will not be troubled by them so often.
Edited, May 5th 2009 11:01am by Aripyanfar
#42
May 05 2009 at 7:00 AM
Allegory wrote:
I think there are several good ideas being thrown around in this thread, but that the subject needs better organization and more time for people to weigh in.
Are you under the impression that they're going to take precipitous action?
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
#43
May 05 2009 at 7:00 AM
Allegory wrote:
LobsterJohnson the Braindead wrote:
Oh it was, but now it's just pooling at the bottom of a shallow grave, I don't even post movie reviews or movie threads anymore because I don't want to muddle through the BS of it getting moved or finding the proper forum to post it in. (That wouldn't have the desired audience anyway)
I don't blame you Allegory :3
I don't blame you Allegory :3
I suppose you don't like the audience of forum =5 or feel it wouldn't receive enough views?
Blame is meaningless, but I wondering if it was actually a mistake to push to turn =5 into a media forum.
#44
May 05 2009 at 7:01 AM
[quote=Allegory]I think there are several good ideas being thrown around in this thread, but that the subject needs better organization and more time for people to weigh *************** that. I want this solved before lunch.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#45
May 05 2009 at 7:01 AM
From an outsiders point of view, I whole-heartedly believe the current set-up works very well. For the most part, the different flavors of the OOT seem to mix well and often bring amuzing reads to my daily lurking. I also believe this would not mix well with the (mostly) serious political discussions of the new Asylum. I understand drama will show itself, see it's shadow and go away for a little while only to repeat the same process again in the near future. So, I hope the admins decide to wither the storm so that I may read about beer choices, gay copy machine stacking, lolcats, and those crazy furries.
#46
May 05 2009 at 7:02 AM
Jophiel wrote:
Allegory wrote:
I think there are several good ideas being thrown around in this thread, but that the subject needs better organization and more time for people to weigh in.
You sound like my boss. Can I have a pay rise?
#47
May 05 2009 at 7:03 AM
Jophiel wrote:
Allegory wrote:
I think there are several good ideas being thrown around in this thread, but that the subject needs better organization and more time for people to weigh in.
Best Quote of the Day.
#48
May 05 2009 at 7:04 AM
So as a lurker, I'd like to see I'd like to see one of 2 things. Either the merger of the OOT and Asylum with LESS moderation, or the leaving of things where they are and less moderation of the OOT. I'd rather the latter.
Maybe I'm just wanting these forums to be more like other places on the intrawebs, I like the free reign of stupid and offensive memes and images. I find that lively and brisk, so maybe I belong at 4chan. I guess what I'm getting at is letting the Forums go in whatever direction the posters want them to go, and only stepping in for the most blatant disregard of the rules.
Edited, May 5th 2009 10:11am by AldousCayo
Maybe I'm just wanting these forums to be more like other places on the intrawebs, I like the free reign of stupid and offensive memes and images. I find that lively and brisk, so maybe I belong at 4chan. I guess what I'm getting at is letting the Forums go in whatever direction the posters want them to go, and only stepping in for the most blatant disregard of the rules.
Edited, May 5th 2009 10:11am by AldousCayo
#49
May 05 2009 at 7:04 AM
Samira wrote:
Are you under the impression that they're going to take precipitous action?
No, I don't believe the staff would act abruptly. I'm concerned the community will never fully understand its options and the consequences, and therefore not be able to make the most desirable choice.
#50
May 05 2009 at 7:05 AM
Maybe I'm just jaded, desensitized...or just an *******, but it really doesn't seem that bad around here. Especially compared to other forums I've visited.
#51
May 05 2009 at 7:07 AM
Siralin wrote:
Maybe I'm just jaded, desensitized...or just an @#%^, but it really doesn't seem that bad around here. Especially compared to other forums I've visited.
No you're absolutely bang on. This is a storm in a tea cup that got blown out of proportion.
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