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#27 May 21 2008 at 12:21 AM Rating: Decent
NaughtyWord wrote:
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Windmills have proven adverse effects on their ecosystems.



Cite?


I'm interested in this as well as San Angelo has the second or third largest windmill farm in Texas.
#28 May 21 2008 at 12:25 AM Rating: Good
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Katie, Pie Eating Champion wrote:
NaughtyWord wrote:
Leetler wrote:
Windmills have proven adverse effects on their ecosystems.



Cite?


I'm interested in this as well as San Angelo has the second or third largest windmill farm in Texas.


Only thing I've ever heard mentioned about windmills that's detrimental is the appearance, but it'd be a fun thing to look up.
#29 May 21 2008 at 12:28 AM Rating: Decent
I've heard cell phone towers cause issue with honey bees but I've not heard anything about the windmills.
#30 May 21 2008 at 1:12 AM Rating: Excellent
You know it's funny, I read Smash' response to Gbaji, and that line: "OISM also markets a home-schooling kit for "parents concerned about socialism in the public schools" really struck a chord. As though I had read it before in a previous thread, as though this was all a re-hash from an old Asylum thread... Could it be?

Ta-da!

RedPhoenixxx, 2 years ago, wrote:
The Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine is, according to their website, "a small research institute that studies biochemistry, diagnostic medicine, nutrition, preventive medicine and the molecular biology of aging."

Not exactly what you would call relevant in the climate change debate, is it?

Or is it because I left out the part that says they also market a home-schooling kit for "parents concerned about socialism in the public schools", and which promises to "Teach your children...to acquire superior knowledge as did many...in the days before socialism in education".


And guess who linked this the first time? None other than our favourite 6-figure-earning-okra-growing-basketball-playing-insurance-selling-racist friend, Varrus!!

So yeah, insightful new stuff...

edited to add: I finished that 2006 post with the phrase: "Come on man, even Gbaji is more challenging than this..."

Hehe, guess I was wrong.



Edited, May 21st 2008 9:17am by RedPhoenixxx
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#31 May 21 2008 at 1:13 AM Rating: Excellent
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Erm. It was something like each single windmill would be expected to be responsible for 3 orange-bellied parrot deaths every 1000 years; death from the stupidity of flying through the fan blades. But since there are only 53 of the birds left in existence, in one smallish reserve, they decided to ban windmills next to that reserve.

Apart from bird deaths in the parts per thousand, I imagine there's some sound issues. They are supposed to be whisper quiet for the size they are, with modern machining techniques, but I don't know for how long they stay quiet, as they age, or even what the initial sound pollution is like.
#32 May 21 2008 at 2:24 AM Rating: Decent
Aripyanfar wrote:
Erm. It was something like each single windmill would be expected to be responsible for 3 orange-bellied parrot deaths every 1000 years; death from the stupidity of flying through the fan blades. But since there are only 53 of the birds left in existence, in one smallish reserve, they decided to ban windmills next to that reserve.

Apart from bird deaths in the parts per thousand, I imagine there's some sound issues. They are supposed to be whisper quiet for the size they are, with modern machining techniques, but I don't know for how long they stay quiet, as they age, or even what the initial sound pollution is like.


Meh, they can die. We'll just clone them using pig ovums at a later date.
#33 May 21 2008 at 2:27 AM Rating: Good
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Katie, Pie Eating Champion wrote:
Meh, they can die. We'll just clone them using pig ovums at a later date.


Are they tasty enough to be worth the effort?
#34 May 21 2008 at 2:29 AM Rating: Decent
The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Katie, Pie Eating Champion wrote:
Meh, they can die. We'll just clone them using pig ovums at a later date.


Are they tasty enough to be worth the effort?


As long as you aren't allergic to citrus.
#35 May 21 2008 at 3:18 AM Rating: Excellent
I don't believe in global warming because England is still cold.
#36 May 21 2008 at 3:25 AM Rating: Good
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I don't believe in global warming because England is still cold.
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#37 May 21 2008 at 3:36 AM Rating: Excellent
Dread Lord remorajunbao wrote:
I don't believe in global warming because England is still cold.
That's because England sucks the warmth from anything. It's a wonder how the sun still works properly.
#38 May 21 2008 at 3:38 AM Rating: Excellent
Wow. Newsmax? Really?
#39 May 21 2008 at 4:05 AM Rating: Good
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Here are FACTS
Half of those facts, aren't.

Edit: More accurately, most of those "facts" require citation, are technically accurate although misleading or are simply incorrect.

Edited, May 21st 2008 9:10am by Jophiel
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#40 May 21 2008 at 4:50 AM Rating: Excellent
Barkingturtle wrote:
BrownDuck wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
I wish Global Warming was completely debunked. I'd be happier.


Why?


Seriously?


Yeah seriously. Even if "global warming" as a doomsday concept didn't exist, all of the debauchery leading up to it is still bad for us in general. For years we've been polluting our breathable air, drinkable water, and inhabitable land with the waste of our poor resource management practices. Even if global warming WAS a hoax, we've still got a boatload of other problems to deal with, not the least of which is our limited fossil fuel supply which, completely independent of other factors, could be the downfall of our civilization if we don't find a better than adequate solution, and sooner rather than later.

Wishing global warming was a myth doesn't solve any of the problems leading up to it. Being bad stewards of the planet is not generally good for our long-term prosperity on this chunk of rock floating in space.
#41REDACTED, Posted: May 21 2008 at 5:05 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I have an opinion, but it's not strong because I don't know the facts.
#43 May 21 2008 at 5:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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BrownDuck wrote:
Barkingturtle wrote:
BrownDuck wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
I wish Global Warming was completely debunked. I'd be happier.


Why?


Seriously?


Yeah seriously. Even if "global warming" as a doomsday concept didn't exist, all of the debauchery leading up to it is still bad for us in general. For years we've been polluting our breathable air, drinkable water, and inhabitable land with the waste of our poor resource management practices. Even if global warming WAS a hoax, we've still got a boatload of other problems to deal with, not the least of which is our limited fossil fuel supply which, completely independent of other factors, could be the downfall of our civilization if we don't find a better than adequate solution, and sooner rather than later.

Wishing global warming was a myth doesn't solve any of the problems leading up to it. Being bad stewards of the planet is not generally good for our long-term prosperity on this chunk of rock floating in space.

Very tru, dat. Smiley: nod

Although I'm betting we'll find replacement solutions for plastics at the last moment, when it becomes crucial. But I'm very very unhappy that we are just burning away most of a finite resource. I'm a bit worried about IV drips. Is silicone a workable replacement? Anything else?

However, I guess Belki might feel happier with one less global problem off her plate.
#44 May 21 2008 at 5:14 AM Rating: Excellent
******** like this gives real global warming skeptics a bad name (skeptics, mind you, not deniers).
#45 May 21 2008 at 5:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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Azazel, Immortal Lion wrote:
I have an opinion, but it's not strong because I don't know the facts.

I think it's funny how Al Gore is going on and on about Global Warming and saying it's true. This is coming from the same man who says he invented the Internet.

John Coleman, founder of the Weather Channel also states that Global Warming is the biggest scam in history

There were some private LANS (local area networks), there was a much larger network that was confined to major educational institutions, and one or more confined to Defense institutions. The internet as the USA knows it today didn't exist. Al Gore was a pivotal mover, if not the pivotal mover, in the government that got the bill written, sponsored and passed to allow anyone from the public access to the nationwide university computer network, AND to permit advertising and commercial activity on it. Prior to this bill, "The Internet" barely existed in the US, after this bill, it rapidly expanded and grew exponentially.

The phrase has a word wrong: it should be "he was responsible for", not "he invented the". If you want to be pedantic, it could be: "Al Gore was the man on the spot who was responsible for launching the Internet in it's present form."
#46 May 21 2008 at 5:26 AM Rating: Good
BrownDuck wrote:
Barkingturtle wrote:
BrownDuck wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
I wish Global Warming was completely debunked. I'd be happier.


Why?


Seriously?


Yeah seriously. Even if "global warming" as a doomsday concept didn't exist, all of the debauchery leading up to it is still bad for us in general. For years we've been polluting our breathable air, drinkable water, and inhabitable land with the waste of our poor resource management practices. Even if global warming WAS a hoax, we've still got a boatload of other problems to deal with, not the least of which is our limited fossil fuel supply which, completely independent of other factors, could be the downfall of our civilization if we don't find a better than adequate solution, and sooner rather than later.

Wishing global warming was a myth doesn't solve any of the problems leading up to it. Being bad stewards of the planet is not generally good for our long-term prosperity on this chunk of rock floating in space.


You are ruining my "rate stubs down" mentality. Smiley: mad Start being a cnut again.
#47 May 21 2008 at 5:37 AM Rating: Excellent
Aripyanfar wrote:
Azazel, Immortal Lion wrote:
I have an opinion, but it's not strong because I don't know the facts.

I think it's funny how Al Gore is going on and on about Global Warming and saying it's true. This is coming from the same man who says he invented the Internet.

John Coleman, founder of the Weather Channel also states that Global Warming is the biggest scam in history

There were some private LANS (local area networks), there was a much larger network that was confined to major educational institutions, and one or more confined to Defense institutions. The internet as the USA knows it today didn't exist. Al Gore was a pivotal mover, if not the pivotal mover, in the government that got the bill written, sponsored and passed to allow anyone from the public access to the nationwide university computer network, AND to permit advertising and commercial activity on it. Prior to this bill, "The Internet" barely existed in the US, after this bill, it rapidly expanded and grew exponentially.

The phrase has a word wrong: it should be "he was responsible for", not "he invented the". If you want to be pedantic, it could be: "Al Gore was the man on the spot who was responsible for launching the Internet in it's present form."


First, he never claimed to have invented the Internet. The quotation was: "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system." He was referring to helping create a legislative and regulatory environment that fostered the expansion and growth of the Internet.

He has been a supporter of the development of IT since the 1970s, especially during his time in Congress, though his most famous contribution was with the 1991 Gore Act.

I don't think he can be considered to have any responsibility for it (that takes away from the technical and organizational geniuses that truly are responsible for creating the Internet), but he was definitely a good friend to the movement.
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Azazel, Immortal Lion wrote:
John Coleman, founder of the Weather Channel also states that Global Warming is the biggest scam in history
A brief look at Coleman's biography doesn't suggest that he has any more formal education in climatology than your typical small-town weather bunny who reads whatever the National Weather Service puts on the wire. Can you detail his credentials?
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#49 May 21 2008 at 5:53 AM Rating: Good
BrownDuck wrote:
Yeah seriously. Even if "global warming" as a doomsday concept didn't exist, all of the debauchery leading up to it is still bad for us in general. For years we've been polluting our breathable air, drinkable water, and inhabitable land with the waste of our poor resource management practices. Even if global warming WAS a hoax, we've still got a boatload of other problems to deal with, not the least of which is our limited fossil fuel supply which, completely independent of other factors, could be the downfall of our civilization if we don't find a better than adequate solution, and sooner rather than later.

Wishing global warming was a myth doesn't solve any of the problems leading up to it. Being bad stewards of the planet is not generally good for our long-term prosperity on this chunk of rock floating in space.


Very true, and I agree with all of that. However, if global warming was a myth, then changing our ways would have an even bigger impact and it would prevent global warming from ever starting.
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Although I'm betting we'll find replacement solutions for plastics at the last moment, when it becomes crucial.
Some petrochemical firms are already getting deeper into researching using liquified coal technology to create plastics because the high cost of oil is making their usual operations too expensive. They've known how to do it for a good while but it didn't make sense back when liquified coal cost more than oil. That's no longer the case.
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#51 May 21 2008 at 6:10 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
Aripyanfar wrote:
Although I'm betting we'll find replacement solutions for plastics at the last moment, when it becomes crucial.
Some petrochemical firms are already getting deeper into researching using liquified coal technology to create plastics because the high cost of oil is making their usual operations too expensive. They've known how to do it for a good while but it didn't make sense back when liquified coal cost more than oil. That's no longer the case.

Wonderful! We've got a brick-ton of coal left, although the Chinese are burning merry hell through it.

Now the question is, if the government would please put the regulation in place for each type of plastic to be typed as xenohormonally active in humans and animals (an environmental endocrine disruptor), or not, so that we can ban manufacture and use of endocrine disruptors. After all, there's plenty of plastics that aren't endocrine disruptors.
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