Consensus on Global Warming?Follow

For the reading impaired, 10x more scientists then those who make up the "consensus" many use to argue for global warming have signed their own agreement saying it's not true...

Yeah... believe it or not, the opinion of a guy with a bachelors degree from University of Phoenix in Pharmacy Technology doesn't carry the same weight as a guy with a PhD in a related field.

We don't see enough Gbaji on Smash action.

Can't we get a little before you go to bed?

Doesn't specify the qualifications for these "scientists", nor does it specify the considerations for signing the petition. How convenient. I could get you 100,000 business people who would sign any old petition in 3 months if they thought it meant more money in their pocket. Doesn't mean it's right.

Funny, don't you think, that the ones with the actual evidence support the global warming concept, and yet those who don't - well.. they have nothing but their opinions, apparently.

That right thar... that just validates the whole darn thing!

Little fact checking that makes this funnier:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Oregon_Institute_of_Science_and_Medicine

Let's begin:


The Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine (OISM) describes itself as "a small research institute" that studies "biochemistry, diagnostic medicine, nutrition, preventive medicine and the molecular biology of aging." It is headed by Arthur B. Robinson, an eccentric scientist who has a long history of controversial entanglements with figures on the fringe of accepted research. OISM also markets a home-schooling kit for "parents concerned about socialism in the public schools" and publishes books on how to survive nuclear war.


Ahh. Promising so far. This is the source of the petition. Whackjob right wing lunatic.


Cave Junction is the sort of out-of-the-way location you might seek out if you were hoping to survive a nuclear war, but it is not known as a center for scientific and medical research. The OISM would be equally obscure itself, except for the role it played in 1998 in circulating a deceptive "scientists' petition" on global warming in collaboration with Frederick Seitz, a retired former president of the National Academy of Sciences.

Let's recap: The "petition" in question is 1) 10 years old. 2) Completely discredited. Let's explore why, shall we?


None of the coauthors of "Environmental Effects of Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide" had any more standing than Robinson himself as a climate change researcher. They included Robinson's 22-year-old son, Zachary, along with astrophysicists Sallie L. Baliunas and Willie Soon. Both Baliunas and Soon worked with Frederick Seitz at the George C. Marshall Institute, a Washington, D.C., think tank where Seitz served as executive director. Funded by a number of right-wing foundations, including Scaife and Bradley, the George C. Marshall Institute does not conduct any original research. It is a conservative think tank that was initially founded during the years of the Reagan administration to advocate funding for Reagan's Strategic Defense Initiative--the "Star Wars" weapons program.

How interesting.


In addition to the bulk mailing, OISM's website enables people to add their names to the petition over the Internet, and by June 2000 it claimed to have recruited more than 19,000 scientists. The institute is so lax about screening names, however, that virtually anyone can sign, including for example Al Caruba, a pesticide-industry PR man and conservative ideologue who runs his own website called the "National Anxiety Center." Caruba has no scientific credentials whatsoever, but in addition to signing the Oregon Petition he has editorialized on his own website against the science of global warming, calling it the "biggest hoax of the decade," a "genocidal" campaign by environmentalists who believe that "humanity must be destroyed to 'Save the Earth.' . . . There is no global warming, but there is a global political agenda, comparable to the failed Soviet Union experiment with Communism, being orchestrated by the United Nations, supported by its many Green NGOs, to impose international treaties of every description that would turn the institution into a global government, superceding the sovereignty of every nation in the world."

Good to know. Website signatures counted and not screened. Good methodology.

Who's signing this thing?


When questioned in 1998, OISM's Arthur Robinson admitted that only 2,100 signers of the Oregon Petition had identified themselves as physicists, geophysicists, climatologists, or meteorologists, "and of those the greatest number are physicists." This grouping of fields concealed the fact that only a few dozen, at most, of the signatories were drawn from the core disciplines of climate science - such as meteorology, oceanography, and glaciology - and almost none were climate specialists.

I see.


he names of the signers are available on the OISM's website, but without listing any institutional affiliations or even city of residence, making it very difficult to determine their credentials or even whether they exist at all. When the Oregon Petition first circulated, in fact, environmental activists successfully added the names of several fictional characters and celebrities to the list, including John Grisham, Michael J. Fox, Drs. Frank Burns, B. J. Honeycutt, and Benjamin Pierce (from the TV show M*A*S*H), an individual by the name of "Dr. Red Wine," and Geraldine Halliwell, formerly known as pop singer Ginger Spice of the Spice Girls.

Well, if B. J. Honeycutt think's there is no global warming...I may have to reconsider my position.


You didn't actually read the article, did you?

Yeah... Good thing you're so good at "interpreting the data", eh sport?

Indeed, but anyway.

See, the thing about BJ Honeycutt is that he doesn't care what a bunch of so-called "experts" have to say. He and Hawkeye thumb the "establishment" ideas and forge their own path.

I'm a Spearchucker man, meself.

Why?

Glad to see nothing has changed in gbaji's narrow point of view in the world.


Thanks for keeping the status quo gbaji. For a minute there, I thought you were actually making an argument using sources and facts. Whew.

I don't understand It......

A failed presidential candidate walks into a room and says the world is heating up due to greenhouse gas

emissions by man. All of a sudden thousands of people are buying hybrids, solar cells, ethanol, and

electric cars. And guess who has most of the stock in those companies? Al Gore and even some of the

more credited scientists he uses to "prove" global warming.



Here are FACTS, only slightly biased by the way, although I am not an environmentalist or a "crazy-insane-right-wing-Bush-Loving-Hillbilly:

-It takes more "Gasohol" (Ethanol mixed in with Gasoline) To provide the same amount of gasses made from combustion in automobiles than pure alcohol.

- With the amount of food products, Particularly Corn, used to make Ethanol usable for a car for 2 tanks of gas, a family (3 or 4) could be fed for at least a month.

- Green House gases cause the green house effect, heating up the Earth.

-Every 50 years or so the average temperature heats up by one degree.

-It takes more electricity to make hydrogen in a usable form for cars than the energy hydrogen generates.

- 20 years ago a documented 70% of the scientific community believed that the Earth would go into its next ice age by the end of 2010.

- The polar ice caps have been proven to recede and advance dramatically, before civilization.

- Al Gore has made enough money off of his stocks in companies that make "eco-safe" things to buy a full tank of gas for his private jet atleast 1000 times.

- Al Gore has no specialized education in climate change.

- Windmills take up 5 times as much space as a nuclear power plant to make the same amount of energy.

- Dams and Windmills have proven adverse effects on their ecosystems.

- Carbon Dioxide is partially scrubbed from the atmosphere by rain.

Here are useless FACTS

Thanks for chiming in.

You forgot to mention that that arrogant sonfabitch actually *exhales* carbon dioxide, too. Talk about a hypocrite.

Cite?