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LobsterJohnson the Sly wrote:
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Christ.
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Christ.
It's like the next Chris Crocker.Did you lose faith?
Yes, I lost faith in the powers that be.
But in doing so I came across the will to disagree.
And I gave up. Yes, I gave up, and then I gave in.
But I take responsibility for every single sin. ♪ ♫
Thank god I stopped playing MMOs.
Yes, I lost faith in the powers that be.
But in doing so I came across the will to disagree.
And I gave up. Yes, I gave up, and then I gave in.
But I take responsibility for every single sin. ♪ ♫
Thank god I stopped playing MMOs.
Kaain the Irrelevant wrote:
Or maybe when society can't get over a kid getting fUcking TASERED of all things, maybe it's time for everyone to quit being such pansies.
He got tasered. Big. Deal.
He'll live. It doesn't help his stance with me when he was screaming like an infant the whole time either.
He got tasered. Big. Deal.
He'll live. It doesn't help his stance with me when he was screaming like an infant the whole time either.
I don't think that being tasered is as pleasant as you make it sound. He sounded like he was in a lot of pain and, being a compassionate individual, I wouldn't want anyone to go through that when all he did was try to protest something.
He should've been arrested and hauled out of there, no doubt. But Jesus, it sounded like it ******* HURT when they tasered him.
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
I don't think that being tasered is as pleasant as you make it sound. He sounded like he was in a lot of pain and, being a compassionate individual, I wouldn't want anyone to go through that when all he did was try to protest something.
He should've been arrested and hauled out of there, no doubt. But Jesus, it sounded like it @#%^ing HURT when they tasered him.
He should've been arrested and hauled out of there, no doubt. But Jesus, it sounded like it @#%^ing HURT when they tasered him.
Hell yeah it HURT
I've been tasered before (maybe not by the same kind he was, depending on what cops use.. mine was the kind you can buy at a gun show) and it's mind-numbing to say the least. But, once they stop tasering you, you're fine. He was being a whiney, squirmy little ***** that wouldn't calm down/quit screaming, so they shocked him for a very brief second to get him to quit making a scene. I understand being compassionate, but cops are trained to be efficient.
Kaain the Irrelevant wrote:
Hell yeah it HURT 
I've been tasered before (maybe not by the same kind he was, depending on what cops use.. mine was the kind you can buy at a gun show) and it's mind-numbing to say the least. But, once they stop tasering you, you're fine.
He was being a whiney, squirmy little ***** that wouldn't calm down/quit screaming, so they shocked him for a very brief second to get him to quit making a scene. I understand being compassionate, but cops are trained to be efficient.
I've been tasered before (maybe not by the same kind he was, depending on what cops use.. mine was the kind you can buy at a gun show) and it's mind-numbing to say the least. But, once they stop tasering you, you're fine. He was being a whiney, squirmy little ***** that wouldn't calm down/quit screaming, so they shocked him for a very brief second to get him to quit making a scene. I understand being compassionate, but cops are trained to be efficient.
Yes, I totally see how tasering his *** and making him writhe in pain, screaming because it's goddamn painful would quiet him down and get him to quit making a scene...
Edited, Oct 24th 2007 4:55pm by Belkira
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Yes, I totally see how tasering his *** and making him writhe in pain, screaming because it's goddamn painful would quiet him down and get him to quit making a scene... 
I believe it is in everyone's best interest when a police officer acts in a way to settle a situation as quickly as possible. If tasering that individual is the quickest way possible, then do so. I'd fell the same way if it were me, but then again, I wouldn't be dumb enough to be up there.
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Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:
I believe it is in everyone's best interest when a police officer acts in a way to settle a situation as quickly as possible. If tasering that individual is the quickest way possible, then do so. I'd fell the same way if it were me, but then again, I wouldn't be dumb enough to be up there.
But that's what I'm saying. I don't believe tasering him would've been the quickest way to "settle" the situation. Dragging him outdoors and arresting him would've been, and I've seen the video. Like someone else said, if those cops couldn't take that little college student down without beating him in some way, that's pathetic.
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Kaain the Irrelevant wrote:
Hell yeah it HURT I've been tasered before (maybe not by the same kind he was, depending on what cops use.. mine was the kind you can buy at a gun show) and it's mind-numbing to say the least. But, once they stop tasering you, you're fine.
He was being a whiney, squirmy little ***** that wouldn't calm down/quit screaming, so they shocked him for a very brief second to get him to quit making a scene. I understand being compassionate, but cops are trained to be efficient.
I've been tasered before (maybe not by the same kind he was, depending on what cops use.. mine was the kind you can buy at a gun show) and it's mind-numbing to say the least. But, once they stop tasering you, you're fine. He was being a whiney, squirmy little ***** that wouldn't calm down/quit screaming, so they shocked him for a very brief second to get him to quit making a scene. I understand being compassionate, but cops are trained to be efficient.
Yes, I totally see how tasering his *** and making him writhe in pain, screaming because it's goddamn painful would quiet him down and get him to quit making a scene...
Most people react to being tazed a little differently
When I was tazed (twice actually, once with a defensive taser, and another time with a damn cattle prod), I locked up and became really disoriented for about 10 seconds. They meant to tazer him, pick him up and escort him out the door I'm sure.
He just kept on whining even afterwards.
But seriously.. it's not THAT bad.
Didn't this happen in Florida, where carrying a concealed weapon is legal? I'm sticking with tasering being the quickest and safest way, given what they knew.
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Kaain the Irrelevant wrote:
When I was tazed (twice actually, once with a defensive taser, and another time with a damn cattle prod), I locked up and became really disoriented for about 10 seconds. They meant to tazer him, pick him up and escort him out the door I'm sure.
He just kept on whining even afterwards.
But seriously.. it's not THAT bad.
He just kept on whining even afterwards.
But seriously.. it's not THAT bad.
BT described it once, and it sounded pretty ******* painful to me. And hearing that guy crying out, "Oh god, it hurts!" isn't helping your case that it's a walk in the park.
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Yeah, unless he was seriously coked up, I think one officer alone should have been able to subdue and cuff him, and more gently than tazing him too.
Have you ever tried to restrain an individual who is desperately trying not to be restrained? It's ridiculously difficult to merely restrain someone; sure you can beat them into submission easily enough, but when there's room to kick and flail and squirm, it gets rough to just hold someone back.
Kid should be glad all he got was a tazing and not a police-strength ***-whooping. Give me the voltage any day over that.
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
BT described it once, and it sounded pretty @#%^ing painful to me. And hearing that guy crying out, "Oh god, it hurts!" isn't helping your case that it's a walk in the park.
It's not a walk in the park. Like I said, it HURTS.. badly. Very badly.
In the cops defense though, a non-lethal (or even damaging for that matter) quick jolt of intense pain is a pretty efficient way to settle something like that. There's no real harm done.
The kid shouldn't have been coherent enough so quickly to keep crying like that.
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He should've been arrested and hauled out of there, no doubt. But Jesus, it sounded like it @#%^ing HURT when they tasered him.
Yes it does hurt. It hurt a whole ******* lot. I still don't know why I volunteer for **** but that's besides the point.
He did get what he deserved. It doesn't matter how many officers are there, if someone wants to resist and avoid being put in handcuffs it's not going to end well. If the officers didn't use the taser to take him to the ground they would have used empty handed strikes to pressure points. Although it's by far less painful that it sounds it looks far worse than getting tased.
It's not hard to take someone down to the ground by yourself. How much a person struggles will dictate how much force and effort you will need to put him into cuffs. That guys time was up and he was asked politely to step down. He didn't, he continued to go on and ignore everyone around him. The officers then approached him and again asked him politely to step down. He didn't and began to cause a disturbance. At that point the officers attempted to walk him off the stage and he pulled away from them.
Now at this point he is no longer being escorted off but being detained for causing a breech of the peace. He continues to resist the officers by pulling away and jumping around like a little kid. You can tell that he is egging the officers by his whining and yelling directed towards the audience. At that point the officers only had two choices.
One would to be use empty hand strikes and essentially body slam him to the ground (which would have looked far worse) or tase him. The taser did exactly what it was designed to do. It immobilized him through the use of muscle disruption and pain compliance. Which made it very easy to place handcuffs on him and gain control over him.
Even after he is cuffed and secured he is still scene struggling with the officers.
Kaain the Irrelevant wrote:
It's not a walk in the park. Like I said, it HURTS.. badly. Very badly.
In the cops defense though, a non-lethal (or even damaging for that matter) quick jolt of intense pain is a pretty efficient way to settle something like that. There's no real harm done.
The kid shouldn't have been coherent enough so quickly to keep crying like that.
In the cops defense though, a non-lethal (or even damaging for that matter) quick jolt of intense pain is a pretty efficient way to settle something like that. There's no real harm done.
The kid shouldn't have been coherent enough so quickly to keep crying like that.
It just seems odd to me that we're throwing out an electric shock like it's nothing. What? A 22 year old caused a ruckus at Kerry's speech?! Electrocute him for a second, that'll take care of it. What the hell? Seems excessive to me.
Now, Ugly brought up a good point. I can't see this kid carrying a concealed weapon, but you never know. That's about the only reason I can think that this would be legitimate, but if they had been worried about that, I'm fairly certain he wouldn't have been allowed to get as close to Kerry as he did in the first place.
I think we should taser anyone we even suspect could be carrying a weapon.
So pretty much anybody with pockets.
So pretty much anybody with pockets.
Kyoshindi wrote:
Now at this point he is no longer being escorted off but being detained for causing a breech of the peace. He continues to resist the officers by pulling away and jumping around like a little kid. You can tell that he is egging the officers by his whining and yelling directed towards the audience. At that point the officers only had two choices.
One would to be use empty hand strikes and essentially body slam him to the ground (which would have looked far worse) or tase him. The taser did exactly what it was designed to do. It immobilized him through the use of muscle disruption and pain compliance. Which made it very easy to place handcuffs on him and gain control over him.
Even after he is cuffed and secured he is still scene struggling with the officers.
One would to be use empty hand strikes and essentially body slam him to the ground (which would have looked far worse) or tase him. The taser did exactly what it was designed to do. It immobilized him through the use of muscle disruption and pain compliance. Which made it very easy to place handcuffs on him and gain control over him.
Even after he is cuffed and secured he is still scene struggling with the officers.
Well, you're the cop. I suppose I have to defer to you.
That doesn't mean you've changed my mind. It still seems excessive to me, but there's not much I can say.
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Well, you're the cop. I suppose I have to defer to you.
Pretty much, unless you wanna get tased bro!
I'm not really try to change your mind at all. I'm just trying to explain what would have happened if they didn't use the taser. You can't cuff someone that is standing if they don't what to be cuffed. You can not exert enough control over them while they have the ability to move around.
That is really the main reason you always see cops take people down to the ground that are resisting. It's in order to safely secure and cuff them.
The way you take a person down to the ground that doesn't want to go down it won't look pretty. The taser it just one of the new tools that they have at their disposal that will allow this to be done with fewer injuries all around.
I will say some departments do need better policies dictating their use of force policy and tasers. They can be abused and if you don't believe me just ask any of my friends.
Edited, Oct 24th 2007 6:35pm by Kyoshindi
That is really the main reason you always see cops take people down to the ground that are resisting. It's in order to safely secure and cuff them.
The way you take a person down to the ground that doesn't want to go down it won't look pretty. The taser it just one of the new tools that they have at their disposal that will allow this to be done with fewer injuries all around.
I will say some departments do need better policies dictating their use of force policy and tasers. They can be abused and if you don't believe me just ask any of my friends.
Edited, Oct 24th 2007 6:35pm by Kyoshindi
Kyoshindi wrote:
The way you take a person down to the ground that doesn't want to go down it won't look pretty. The taser it just one of the new tools that they have at their disposal that will allow this to be done with fewer injuries all around.
It appeared they tased him while he was already on the ground.
Grandfather Barkingturtle wrote:
Kyoshindi wrote:
The way you take a person down to the ground that doesn't want to go down it won't look pretty. The taser it just one of the new tools that they have at their disposal that will allow this to be done with fewer injuries all around.
It appeared they tased him while he was already on the ground.
That's what I thought, but I couldn't remember.
And didn't they taser you once you were hogtied in the back of the cruiser?
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
And didn't they taser you once you were hogtied in the back of the cruiser?
Yep. After they pepper-sprayed me and hit me a few times with a baton, too.
In all fairness, though, I deserved it a lot more than this kid.
Grandfather Barkingturtle wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Well, you're the cop. I suppose I have to defer to you.
Pretty much, unless you wanna get tased bro!
I wish, they made me turn in my taser when I resigned. That and my new position doesn't use tasers.
I can rock an AR-15 now if I want though.
Kyoshindi wrote:
I can rock an AR-15 now if I want though. 
I think it's great that a guy who refers to a machine gun like it's a piece of bling is allowed to sport one.
I said bling.
Grandfather Barkingturtle wrote:
It appeared they tased him while he was already on the ground.
He was, but if watch it you'll see that while he's on the ground he has pulled away several times and even clinched his fists a couple times. He then managed to get turned back around and while using a seat next to him tries to pull himself back up.
The entire time the officers were telling him to stop resisting or he will get tased. He decides he is going to get up and walk out, which is when he gets popped with the taser just as he grabs that seat back trying to pull himself up.
I wish I had one of those tasers that shot little suction cups attached to electrical wires.
Those are real, right? Or are they just in the movies?
Those are real, right?
Or are they just in the movies?Kyoshindi wrote:
He decides he is going to get up and walk out, which is when he gets popped with the taser just as he grabs that seat back trying to pull himself up.
Actually, the moment he gets tased, he's sort of on his side, with one hand free, and it's palm up on top of the chair as he continues to plead with them; not exactly the posture of a man who is struggling to his feet.
I think it's ridiculous. The cops got impatient with him, and decided to zap him instead of allow him to continue making a scene in front of the crowd. With that many officers, you'd really think they could him cuffed without needing to electrocute him.
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