Ok now finish up the rest of my quote my friend. Damn I keep forgetting stuff, anywho. Do you have any idea how hard it is to do college in the miitary when you have ??? hours?
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Meh, nvm, I'm done. This guy is hopeless.
Btw, he was talking about doing poorly in the Military, which 80 percent of people that join the military "Do poorly" in regards to fulfilling the criteria needed to get the money out of the government for going to college. The government isn't exactly forthcoming with that money (I know this from having a lot of 4.0 gpa 30 act score relatives in the military btw).
Edited, Oct 19th 2007 6:13pm by Blacktuesday
Btw, he was talking about doing poorly in the Military, which 80 percent of people that join the military "Do poorly" in regards to fulfilling the criteria needed to get the money out of the government for going to college. The government isn't exactly forthcoming with that money (I know this from having a lot of 4.0 gpa 30 act score relatives in the military btw).
Edited, Oct 19th 2007 6:13pm by Blacktuesday
ditto, time to get off work.
@#%^ @#%^ @#%^.
I had a nice post all typed up, but I accidentally closed the window some how, so I'll start over, but with less detail.
http://www.census.gov/prod/2001pubs/c2kbr01-5.pdf (Page 3, Table 1)
As of the 2000 census, there are 36,419,434 black people in the United States, for roughly 13% of the entire country's population. Clearly still a minority. However, page six of that same document states:
So the grouping of black people is relatively high, and thus, people who live in those states might perceive blacks to be more of a majority, especially in urban areas. Hell, in our own nation's capital, blacks are the flipping majority, for God's sake.
For comparison's sake, there are 216,930,975 white people in the U.S (approx 71% of the population), according to the same census, but a different document located here:
http://www.census.gov/prod/2001pubs/c2kbr01-4.pdf (Page 3, Table 1)
Also, let's look at:
http://www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/c2kbr-18.pdf (Page 5, Table 2)
This document tells us, among other things, that 3% of the white populationis unemployed while 6.9% of the black population is unemployed. That alone doesn't say much, until we look at the poverty stats at
http://www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/c2kbr-19.pdf (Page 8, Table 6), where we can see that approx. 25% of the black population lives at or below poverty level, compared to 9% of the white population. The overall poverty level is about 12.5%. The only other race of people with a higher poverty rate are native americans, with just over 25%. There are about 10,000,000 or so native americans according to the 2000 census.
The point to take from all this is that it is statisical fact that a black individual is more likely to be a) unemployeed and/or b) live at or below poverty level than his white counterpart. And 25% of the entire black population is no insignificant number. In places where black concentration is high, such as DC and some of the southern states, I'd bet my bottom dollar that the majority of the black population is unemployed and or living in poverty. Hell the whole Katrina fiasco made it quite clear that New Orleans fits under that umbrella, and there are likely many more regions.
And guess what, you don't have to be unemployed or poverty stricken to represent the stereotypical "bad" black person. "Thug life" is a cultural thing, and culture transcends financial and educational boundaries.
Edited, Oct 19th 2007 5:14pm by StubsOnAsura
Edited, Oct 19th 2007 5:15pm by StubsOnAsura
I had a nice post all typed up, but I accidentally closed the window some how, so I'll start over, but with less detail.
http://www.census.gov/prod/2001pubs/c2kbr01-5.pdf (Page 3, Table 1)
As of the 2000 census, there are 36,419,434 black people in the United States, for roughly 13% of the entire country's population. Clearly still a minority. However, page six of that same document states:
Quote:
In six states, Blacks represented over 25 percent of the total population, and all of them were located in the South — Mississippi (37 percent); Louisiana (33 percent); South Carolina (30 percent); Georgia and Maryland (29 percent) each; and Alabama (26 percent). The District of Columbia, a state equivalent, had the highest proportion of Blacks with 61 percent.
So the grouping of black people is relatively high, and thus, people who live in those states might perceive blacks to be more of a majority, especially in urban areas. Hell, in our own nation's capital, blacks are the flipping majority, for God's sake.
For comparison's sake, there are 216,930,975 white people in the U.S (approx 71% of the population), according to the same census, but a different document located here:
http://www.census.gov/prod/2001pubs/c2kbr01-4.pdf (Page 3, Table 1)
Also, let's look at:
http://www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/c2kbr-18.pdf (Page 5, Table 2)
This document tells us, among other things, that 3% of the white populationis unemployed while 6.9% of the black population is unemployed. That alone doesn't say much, until we look at the poverty stats at
http://www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/c2kbr-19.pdf (Page 8, Table 6), where we can see that approx. 25% of the black population lives at or below poverty level, compared to 9% of the white population. The overall poverty level is about 12.5%. The only other race of people with a higher poverty rate are native americans, with just over 25%. There are about 10,000,000 or so native americans according to the 2000 census.
The point to take from all this is that it is statisical fact that a black individual is more likely to be a) unemployeed and/or b) live at or below poverty level than his white counterpart. And 25% of the entire black population is no insignificant number. In places where black concentration is high, such as DC and some of the southern states, I'd bet my bottom dollar that the majority of the black population is unemployed and or living in poverty. Hell the whole Katrina fiasco made it quite clear that New Orleans fits under that umbrella, and there are likely many more regions.
And guess what, you don't have to be unemployed or poverty stricken to represent the stereotypical "bad" black person. "Thug life" is a cultural thing, and culture transcends financial and educational boundaries.
Edited, Oct 19th 2007 5:14pm by StubsOnAsura
Edited, Oct 19th 2007 5:15pm by StubsOnAsura
#131REDACTED,
Posted: Oct 19 2007 at 2:14 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Like I said earlier, I was in the poorest high school in my state and I got a 1200 on my SATs...so......wut? We didn't have the best books, but I hit those books as hard as I could. Also, libraries have SAT prep books (gasp! and other books) that you can read for free....so......wut?
I was gunna go home but saw another interesting tidbit.
I hate to spill it over again, but a high school diploma does not get you very far in today's society. And heres my question what are you going to do during the time of getting the high school diploma and getting a college one? Not everyone AGAIN can get the same kind of campus or things like that and AGAIN not everyone can afford to go to college.
And I do agree that thru hard work things can be paid off, but what if you have the worst luck in the world? Or just happen to get your girlfriend prego? What then? Who knows I am just rambling now, my brain is fried, I need to shut up already.
I hate to spill it over again, but a high school diploma does not get you very far in today's society. And heres my question what are you going to do during the time of getting the high school diploma and getting a college one? Not everyone AGAIN can get the same kind of campus or things like that and AGAIN not everyone can afford to go to college.
And I do agree that thru hard work things can be paid off, but what if you have the worst luck in the world? Or just happen to get your girlfriend prego? What then? Who knows I am just rambling now, my brain is fried, I need to shut up already.
DaimenKain wrote:
Blacktuesday wrote:
DaimenKain wrote:
AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
DaimenKain wrote:
Whether white or black, or yellow or WHATEVER, if you're poor, you're poor because of mistakes YOU made. Not many people (black or white) are poor because they were victimized by the system or anybody else.
So a 5-year-old girl that is poor made some terrible life choices to be that way? And she has every opportunity to make herself not poor?
School, or a no-skill job. Show me how a poor person affords college.
The situation for a poor family makes it very difficult to not perpetuate that poorness to the children.
What does a 5 year old have to do with anything. Obviously I'm talking about the people who can get a job and help themselves.
And how does a poor person afford college? You're joking right? You've never heard of scholarships and grants? And, oh yea, I forgot, college admissions aren't bending over backwards to try to get more minorities into their school.
Yes, being from a poor family makes it more difficult to not be poor later on, but FAR from impossible.
Like I said earlier, if you WORK HARD, you'll make it in this country, period. Black or white.
Remember those things called the ACT and SAT (they are what really get you into college and get you access to most scholarships)?
Yeah, they are kinda hard to pass if your gradeschool/highschool is nearly entirely funded by the government contributions instead of big healthy land owner land taxes and such.
Just for an example. A teacher is a human being trying to make it in the world. Now, they can choose after getting done with college to make 26k a year possibly, or 35k. The 35k is a nice school where everyone is higher class, there is less crime, so on and so forth. The 26k is in the ghetto. Which one would most Americans trying to make it in the world choose?
Of course, I would choose the 35k one too. Anyways, those spots would be filled by the people that did the best in their classes at college, and were the brightest and most hard working individuals. So the 35k school gets those teachers.
Whats left after that is usually (but not always, sometimes people choose to teach at a lower income school for more or less humanitarian reasons, god bless their souls) are people who managed to scrape by. They aren't horrible people, but they simply just didn't either apply themselves, or just plain aren't as smart as the 35k teachers.
You see where this is going? The better schools get better teachers, better equipment, and better property. All these things lead to a better education and higher SAT and ACT scores, and thus more scholarships. This all has been proven statistically as well btw, and even without the race card played in.
So it makes it harder for a poor person to be able to crawl out of poverty. It perpetuates itself with the system we have.
So to say that they can do whatever they want to is an all out lie. You can (90 percent of the time) only be as smart as the people that teach you, not everyone are geniuses.
But if you can't understand that obviously, you need more education yourself.
Like I said earlier, I was in the poorest high school in my state and I got a 1200 on my SATs...so......wut? We didn't have the best books, but I hit those books as hard as I could. Also, libraries have SAT prep books (gasp! and other books) that you can read for free....so......wut?
And even if for some reason they couldn't get into any college, they would still have a high school diploma and could work any number of jobs that would make enough money to get out of poverty.
I'm not saying that it's easy, but it's not impossible or close to it, either. Anything worth getting in this life takes some hard work.
In response my scores were much higher and I never even picked up a book. I went to a really good school system however. I also didn't try very hard in school, but I still ended up able to ace everything put in front of me.
There are a lot of people in my school who did the same thing. In my graduating class alone, 76 percent of the people in the class got above a 1300 on the test. So I don't think they were all born with some inherently smarter gene.
Oh also, statistically 50 percent of my graduating class lived in single parent families.
So what does that leave left for proving the difference between your situation and my own? Schooling, or more importantly the fact that the teachers in my school and the equipment i had access to in my school were most likely much greater than the stuff you had available in your school.
However, I don't take personal stories as an indicator of statistics or the truth. Maybe you shouldn't either?
#134REDACTED,
Posted: Oct 19 2007 at 2:40 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) A high school diploma might not get you that far, but it's enough to get a job that should get you out of poverty though, right? And if you get your gf pregnant, you should have been using a condom or not having sex before you could safely afford to support a child.
DaimenKain wrote:
His Excellency SirTanta wrote:
I was gunna go home but saw another interesting tidbit.
I hate to spill it over again, but a high school diploma does not get you very far in today's society. And heres my question what are you going to do during the time of getting the high school diploma and getting a college one? Not everyone AGAIN can get the same kind of campus or things like that and AGAIN not everyone can afford to go to college.
And I do agree that thru hard work things can be paid off, but what if you have the worst luck in the world? Or just happen to get your girlfriend prego? What then? Who knows I am just rambling now, my brain is fried, I need to shut up already.
I hate to spill it over again, but a high school diploma does not get you very far in today's society. And heres my question what are you going to do during the time of getting the high school diploma and getting a college one? Not everyone AGAIN can get the same kind of campus or things like that and AGAIN not everyone can afford to go to college.
And I do agree that thru hard work things can be paid off, but what if you have the worst luck in the world? Or just happen to get your girlfriend prego? What then? Who knows I am just rambling now, my brain is fried, I need to shut up already.
A high school diploma might not get you that far, but it's enough to get a job that should get you out of poverty though, right? And if you get your gf pregnant, you should have been using a condom or not having sex before you could safely afford to support a child.
No one is arguing against my main point for some reason: that pretty much every black person can raise themselves out of poverty if they dedicate themselves to it. Am I not correct? If someone doesn't think I am, explain to me how that isn't possible.
If I AM correct, then obviously black people aren't poor (on average NOT EVERY BLACK PERSON)because they're black, they're poor because they didn't work hard enough to not be poor, period.
Thats exactly why nobody will agree with you, your wrong.
Not even 20 percent of any person of any social status can raise themselves up to the next social status.
Thats what were trying to tell you. Yes, its possible for a lucky individual to have the stars align and break out of their social status. Is it common at all no. Why? because of all the **** I said.
Can you understand that concept?
Yes, your right it is possible, no your wrong about that all poor (black) people are lazy.
Understand?
No. Of course not. Cause you were too busy trying to make me say that it is possible for a person to go above the poverty line with hard work, so you could say see, black people are damn lazy. Yes, it is possible. No it isn't likely due more often than not due to social and economic factors in the world around them.
Its like shaking a bag full of watch parts. Is it possible for the watch to jump back together if you shake it enough times? Sure. Is it likely? Hell no, because the force of gravity, chance, and parts that only fit into certain other places are making it ******* hard for that watch to come back together no matter how many damn times you shake the bag.
Does this make sense to you?
Also, there is about 8 steps of logic you skip between "its possible to raise out of poverty" and "see black people are lazy." You'll have to do far better than that.
Thats like saying when your car breaks down and you can't fix it due to lack of tools or knowledge that some tow truck drives by and says your ******* screwed because you should have studied up on machines instead of being so damn stupid by going to work and earning money to eat.
But honestly, I'll come back and deal with this more later, if someone else with any sense can step in, I have my life to live atm. Be back later and such.
I scored a 1400something on my SAT's because I'm white.
I'd trade it all to dunk a basketball, though.
I'd trade it all to dunk a basketball, though.
DaimenKain wrote:
A high school diploma might not get you that far, but it's enough to get a job that should get you out of poverty though, right?
Unlikely.
DaimenKain wrote:
And if you get your gf pregnant, you should have been using a condom or not having sex before you could safely afford to support a child.
Condoms cost money. Abortions cost money. Poor people do not have money. This is what makes them poor.
DaimenKain wrote:
No one is arguing against my main point for some reason: that pretty much every black person can raise themselves out of poverty if they dedicate themselves to it. Am I not correct? If someone doesn't think I am, explain to me how that isn't possible.
You are correct in the same vein that everyone here can be multimillionaires if they just "applied" themselves. However, you do not live in this environment, and (I assume) you are not black. So what is your assertion based on? You are speculating about something that you know absolutely nothing about.
DaimenKain wrote:
If I AM correct, then obviously black people aren't poor (on average NOT EVERY BLACK PERSON)because they're black, they're poor because they didn't work hard enough to not be poor, period.
I bet you watch Fox news.
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Ok. Let me attach this here tin foil hat really firmly...
There. Here's what's going on. A small group of wealthy white folks decided that they wanted to keep control of this country, but realized that a growing number of "darkies" were having increased power. They came upon a brilliant method to take advantage of that. Instead of preventing the darker skinned folks from having any power or say, what they did was embrace them. They convinced the dark folks that they were an underclass and oppressed. They convinced them that they could not trust the police, or the law, or the "system", but they could trust them of course...
By doing this, and recruiting a small number of leaders to gather them up, they could collect all the dark skinned people into groups and get them to do what they wanted. With no trust of the normal system, they could ensure that they would have lower success rates in society then everyone else, thus reinforcing the idea that "the man" was out to get them. By convincing them that their success lay not in working hard within the system, but by supporting the "cause" (and by extension the leaders of those causes, and "them"), they ensured that they could rely on these dark skinned people as regular voters who'd keep giving them power in exchange for pushing forward their "cause".
Of course, the "cause" is itself a trap. The more they receive entitlement, the poorer they get. The more "special programs" that are created for them, the less capable they become of competing normally with the rest of society. Over time, their condition continues to get worse, which (somewhat brilliantly) convinces them they need their political leaders even more to protect them from an unfair world.
This process has not gotten to the point where the leaders of these groups can support blatant actions that are clearly counter productive to the group itself and yet no one seems to notice it. They're so focused on "the cause", that no one seems to step back and notice that they're glamorizing violence and endorsing failure, and rewarding hatred.
Yeah. The Dems did a great *****-job on the blacks in this country. They're working on the latinos to, but haven't quite succeeded as well with them yet. It's sad really...
/tinfoilhat off
There. Here's what's going on. A small group of wealthy white folks decided that they wanted to keep control of this country, but realized that a growing number of "darkies" were having increased power. They came upon a brilliant method to take advantage of that. Instead of preventing the darker skinned folks from having any power or say, what they did was embrace them. They convinced the dark folks that they were an underclass and oppressed. They convinced them that they could not trust the police, or the law, or the "system", but they could trust them of course...
By doing this, and recruiting a small number of leaders to gather them up, they could collect all the dark skinned people into groups and get them to do what they wanted. With no trust of the normal system, they could ensure that they would have lower success rates in society then everyone else, thus reinforcing the idea that "the man" was out to get them. By convincing them that their success lay not in working hard within the system, but by supporting the "cause" (and by extension the leaders of those causes, and "them"), they ensured that they could rely on these dark skinned people as regular voters who'd keep giving them power in exchange for pushing forward their "cause".
Of course, the "cause" is itself a trap. The more they receive entitlement, the poorer they get. The more "special programs" that are created for them, the less capable they become of competing normally with the rest of society. Over time, their condition continues to get worse, which (somewhat brilliantly) convinces them they need their political leaders even more to protect them from an unfair world.
This process has not gotten to the point where the leaders of these groups can support blatant actions that are clearly counter productive to the group itself and yet no one seems to notice it. They're so focused on "the cause", that no one seems to step back and notice that they're glamorizing violence and endorsing failure, and rewarding hatred.
Yeah. The Dems did a great *****-job on the blacks in this country. They're working on the latinos to, but haven't quite succeeded as well with them yet. It's sad really...
/tinfoilhat off
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
Quote:
The Dems did a great *****-job on the blacks in this country.
You disagree Rime?
Care to contrast the rates of poverty, crime, single-parent children, education, etc for blacks in the US from the 1950s to those same rates today? I think you'd be surprised at the results...
Care to contrast the rates of poverty, crime, single-parent children, education, etc for blacks in the US from the 1950s to those same rates today? I think you'd be surprised at the results...
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
Did I just see Gbaji write a post with only like 4 lines of text in it? It has to be a dream.
gbaji wrote:
You disagree Rime?
Care to contrast the rates of poverty, crime, single-parent children, education, etc for blacks in the US from the 1950s to those same rates today? I think you'd be surprised at the results...
Care to contrast the rates of poverty, crime, single-parent children, education, etc for blacks in the US from the 1950s to those same rates today? I think you'd be surprised at the results...
You're a fucking moron.
Speaking of 1950's and 1960's, wasn't it the conservative states that had the most issues with African American Rights (by a land slide, I might add)? I could be wrong though.
1950's and current day African American issues are largely different, I'll agree there, but it had more to do with the failure of Conservatism to recognize them as human fucking beings that should be treated equally, but hey, I know, it's inconvenient to you, so it's the damn Dems fault right?
SirTanta wrote:
I am in New Mexico
What town/city?
Grandfather Barkingturtle wrote:
Hold the fUck on....
There's black people in New Mexico?!
There's black people in New Mexico?!
Indeed. I've seen them. I even had a black roommate my first semester at college.
#145REDACTED,
Posted: Oct 23 2007 at 9:08 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Pretty much anyone with a high school diploma and a clean criminal record can obtain a job that will lift you out of poverty in this country, period. Tell me how that's possibly incorrect. There's 379058745098 jobs out there for people with zero college education. Being a Janitor requires a college education now? Sure it's not the best job in the world, but it's a ******* job, right? It's gonna pay enough for you to support yourself. I know 3879867447 people with a good paying job that didn't go to college.
Oh Jesus Christ.
Can we just act like this irritating little bump never happened?
Can we just act like this irritating little bump never happened?
I'm astounded he had the nerve to return.
#148REDACTED,
Posted: Oct 24 2007 at 7:37 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Well nobody in this thread has come up with any solid counters to my arguments. YOU wanted to bring up how I got "owned" or something in here and I didn't. You keep talking like people have made such solid arguments against me in this thread and that I was so blown away by their astute observations that I was "scared to return". Quite the opposite. I hadn't seen anybody come up with any real solid counter to what I said.
DaimenKain wrote:
blah blah blah
Protip: No response does not always mean a victory.
(Sometimes you're just too ******* stupid to spend the time arguing with)
#150REDACTED,
Posted: Oct 24 2007 at 7:46 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Or how about this? You know I'm right and can't come up with any counter-arguments and that bothers you because what I'm saying goes so against what you believe.
gbaji wrote:
Ok. Let me attach this here tin foil hat really firmly...
There. Here's what's going on. A small group of wealthy white folks decided that they wanted to keep control of this country, but realized that a growing number of "darkies" were having increased power. They came upon a brilliant method to take advantage of that. Instead of preventing the darker skinned folks from having any power or say, what they did was embrace them. They convinced the dark folks that they were an underclass and oppressed. They convinced them that they could not trust the police, or the law, or the "system", but they could trust them of course...
There. Here's what's going on. A small group of wealthy white folks decided that they wanted to keep control of this country, but realized that a growing number of "darkies" were having increased power. They came upon a brilliant method to take advantage of that. Instead of preventing the darker skinned folks from having any power or say, what they did was embrace them. They convinced the dark folks that they were an underclass and oppressed. They convinced them that they could not trust the police, or the law, or the "system", but they could trust them of course...
AMIRITE???
Edited, Oct 24th 2007 10:52am by Jophiel
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
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