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#1 Oct 18 2007 at 6:02 AM Rating: Good
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So says this guy.

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Celebrated scientist attacked for race comments: "All our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours - whereas all the testing says not really"

One of the world's most eminent scientists was embroiled in an extraordinary row last night after he claimed that black people were less intelligent than white people and the idea that "equal powers of reason" were shared across racial groups was a delusion.

James Watson, a Nobel Prize winner for his part in the unravelling of DNA who now runs one of America's leading scientific research institutions, drew widespread condemnation for comments he made ahead of his arrival in Britain today for a speaking tour at venues including the Science Museum in London.

The 79-year-old geneticist reopened the explosive debate about race and science in a newspaper interview in which he said Western policies towards African countries were wrongly based on an assumption that black people were as clever as their white counterparts when "testing" suggested the contrary. He claimed genes responsible for creating differences in human intelligence could be found within a decade.

The newly formed Equality and Human Rights Commission, successor to the Commission for Racial Equality, said it was studying Dr Watson's remarks " in full". Dr Watson told The Sunday Times that he was "inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa" because "all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours – whereas all the testing says not really". He said there was a natural desire that all human beings should be equal but "people who have to deal with black employees find this not true".

His views are also reflected in a book published next week, in which he writes: "There is no firm reason to anticipate that the intellectual capacities of peoples geographically separated in their evolution should prove to have evolved identically. Our wanting to reserve equal powers of reason as some universal heritage of humanity will not be enough to make it so."

The furore echoes the controversy created in the 1990s by The Bell Curve, a book co-authored by the American political scientist Charles Murray, which suggested differences in IQ were genetic and discussed the implications of a racial divide in intelligence. The work was heavily criticised across the world, in particular by leading scientists who described it as a work of " scientific racism".

Dr Watson arrives in Britain today for a speaking tour to publicise his latest book, Avoid Boring People: Lessons from a Life in Science. Among his first engagements is a speech to an audience at the Science Museum organised by the Dana Centre, which held a discussion last night on the history of scientific racism.

Critics of Dr Watson said there should be a robust response to his views across the spheres of politics and science. Keith Vaz, the Labour chairman of the Home Affairs Select Committee, said: "It is sad to see a scientist of such achievement making such baseless, unscientific and extremely offensive comments. I am sure the scientific community will roundly reject what appear to be Dr Watson's personal prejudices.

"These comments serve as a reminder of the attitudes which can still exists at the highest professional levels."

The American scientist earned a place in the history of great scientific breakthroughs of the 20th century when he worked at the University of Cambridge in the 1950s and 1960s and formed part of the team which discovered the structure of DNA. He shared the 1962 Nobel Prize for medicine with his British colleague Francis Crick and New Zealand-born Maurice Wilkins.

But despite serving for 50 years as a director of the Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory on Long Island, considered a world leader in research into cancer and genetics, Dr Watson has frequently courted controversy with some of his views on politics, sexuality and race. The respected journal Science wrote in 1990: "To many in the scientific community, Watson has long been something of a wild man, and his colleagues tend to hold their collective breath whenever he veers from the script."

In 1997, he told a British newspaper that a woman should have the right to abort her unborn child if tests could determine it would be homosexual. He later insisted he was talking about a "hypothetical" choice which could never be applied. He has also suggested a link between skin colour and sex drive, positing the theory that black people have higher libidos, and argued in favour of genetic screening and engineering on the basis that " stupidity" could one day be cured. He has claimed that beauty could be genetically manufactured, saying: "People say it would be terrible if we made all girls pretty. I think it would great."

The Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory said yesterday that Dr Watson could not be contacted to comment on his remarks.

Steven Rose, a professor of biological sciences at the Open University and a founder member of the Society for Social Responsibility in Science, said: " This is Watson at his most scandalous. He has said similar things about women before but I have never heard him get into this racist terrain. If he knew the literature in the subject he would know he was out of his depth scientifically, quite apart from socially and politically."

Anti-racism campaigners called for Dr Watson's remarks to be looked at in the context of racial hatred laws. A spokesman for the 1990 Trust, a black human rights group, said: "It is astonishing that a man of such distinction should make comments that seem to perpetuate racism in this way. It amounts to fuelling bigotry and we would like it to be looked at for grounds of legal complaint."


This guy has some big ol balls for a old guy Nobel Prize Winner. And no suprise, black people are offended.... again.
#2 Oct 18 2007 at 6:04 AM Rating: Excellent
It's totally 100% true story. Smiley: nod
#3 Oct 18 2007 at 6:06 AM Rating: Excellent
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He has claimed that beauty could be genetically manufactured, saying: "People say it would be terrible if we made all girls pretty. I think it would great."


Eww. Sounds like Dr. Steinman from Bioshock. "Beauty is a moral imperative!"

People like this guy give me the creeps.

And I don't blame black people one bit for being offended by this guy. I'm offended and I'm not even black.
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#4 Oct 18 2007 at 6:06 AM Rating: Good
Senjiow the Mundane wrote:
And no suprise, black people are offended.... again.


You make it sound like it's not ok for them to be offended because some old white fatcat said that a group of people are somehow of a lesser intelligence because of skin color.

I'd be pretty pissed off myself.
#5 Oct 18 2007 at 6:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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In 1997, he told a British newspaper that a woman should have the right to abort her unborn child if tests could determine it would be homosexual. He later insisted he was talking about a "hypothetical" choice which could never be applied. He has also suggested a link between skin colour and sex drive, positing the theory that black people have higher libidos, and argued in favour of genetic screening and engineering on the basis that " stupidity" could one day be cured. He has claimed that beauty could be genetically manufactured, saying: "People say it would be terrible if we made all girls pretty. I think it would great."


I was about to ask if it was the same guy I was thinking he sounded like. Good thing I read all of it.
#6 Oct 18 2007 at 6:11 AM Rating: Default
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It's totally 100% true story. Smiley: nod
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#7 Oct 18 2007 at 6:14 AM Rating: Good
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Kaelesh wrote:
Senjiow the Mundane wrote:
And no suprise, black people are offended.... again.


You make it sound like it's not ok for them to be offended because some old white fatcat said that a group of people are somehow of a lesser intelligence because of skin color.

I'd be pretty pissed off myself.


I wouldn't be pissed off at all. I could give a dead rat's *** what some stranger thinks of me. If you don't like me or my race, your loss.

My comment was directed at loudmouth douchebags like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. All they ever do is find someone who isn't black to belittle and berate for speaking their mind?

Hate speech is still free speech, you just don't have to listen to it.
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Kaelesh wrote:
You make it sound like it's not ok for them to be offended because some old white fatcat said that a group of people are somehow of a lesser intelligence because of skin color.

I'd be pretty pissed off myself.
And you make it sound like what he's saying is impossible. Intelligence is genetic so its possible that he's right. I'm not saying he is right, just that it's possible. And obviously, this wouldn't be a guarantee, just a predisposed thing.

Personally, I agree, he's being ignorant, but doesn't mean its impossible.



I really should just delete this post since it's not getting worded as I intended.

Edited, Oct 18th 2007 11:21am by Uglysasquatch
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#9 Oct 18 2007 at 6:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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Critics of Dr Watson said there should be a robust response to his views across the spheres of politics and science.


Well, good. Let's see the research. Prove him wrong! DO EET!
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#10 Oct 18 2007 at 6:21 AM Rating: Excellent
If he has scientific findings to back it, you can't call it racist can you?


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Why is this racism?

Racism is the offhand dismissal of a race with no reason or proof behind that dismissal.

This guy's done the research. I can't say I believe it one way or another until I read the research itself, but this is science, not social studies.

If he had done a study that showed that black people do, in fact, tend to have larger penises, is that racism?
#12 Oct 18 2007 at 6:25 AM Rating: Good
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Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:
Kaelesh wrote:
You make it sound like it's not ok for them to be offended because some old white fatcat said that a group of people are somehow of a lesser intelligence because of skin color.

I'd be pretty pissed off myself.
And you make it sound like what he's saying is impossible. Intelligence is genetic so its possible that he's right. I'm not saying he is right, just that it's possible. And obviously, this wouldn't be a guarantee, just a predisposed thing.

Personally, I agree, he's being ignorant, but doesn't mean its impossible.



I really should just delete this post since it's not getting worded as I intended.

Edited, Oct 18th 2007 11:21am by Uglysasquatch


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#13 Oct 18 2007 at 6:26 AM Rating: Decent
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Hate me if you want to, but I believe this is a possibility as well. I have nothing against blacks, and have even met some that were much more intelligent than me, but I do believe his point that to races, geographically separated, could develop differently, with different genetics, and it is proven that genetics have an effect on human intelligence.
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Jesse Jackson needs to shut the hell up already. What a douchebag.
#15 Oct 18 2007 at 6:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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I really do believe this. Rap music gives me reasonable cause.
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#16 Oct 18 2007 at 6:38 AM Rating: Decent
Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:
Kaelesh wrote:
You make it sound like it's not ok for them to be offended because some old white fatcat said that a group of people are somehow of a lesser intelligence because of skin color.

I'd be pretty pissed off myself.
And you make it sound like what he's saying is impossible. Intelligence is genetic so its possible that he's right. I'm not saying he is right, just that it's possible. And obviously, this wouldn't be a guarantee, just a predisposed thing.

Personally, I agree, he's being ignorant, but doesn't mean its impossible.


Not my intention at all. I wasn't commenting on the story it self, just Senjiow's comment. I had to step out for a minute so I couldn't finish my post.

I'm not saying it isn't possible at all. I'm no Geneticist and I don't have a clue, beyond basic Biology class, how this stuff works. All I know is, if I was Black, I'd be pissed off, regardless of its truthiness.
#17 Oct 18 2007 at 6:40 AM Rating: Good
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Kaelesh wrote:
I'm not saying it isn't possible at all. I'm no Geneticist and I don't have a clue, beyond basic Biology class, how this stuff works. All I know is, if I was Black, I'd be pissed off, regardless of its truthiness.


Why would you be pissed off? Because of a racist statement? That's a pretty petty thing to get pissed over.
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Kaelesh wrote:
I wasn't commenting on the story it self, just Senjiow's comment. [...] All I know is, if I was Black, I'd be pissed off, regardless of its truthiness.



Ok, double Smiley: nod then. I can agree with that.
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#19 Oct 18 2007 at 6:41 AM Rating: Good
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Kaelesh wrote:
All I know is, if I was Black, I'd be pissed off, regardless of its truthiness.


Maybe, but if science proves this theory correct, you'd have no reason to be pissed off at the scientist for discovering it. Now, I could see being pissed off at God for making you stupid.
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Now, I could see being pissed off at God for making you stupid.


Of course, he didn't say they were stupid. Just less intelligent on average.
#21 Oct 18 2007 at 6:44 AM Rating: Decent
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Kaelesh wrote:
I'm not saying it isn't possible at all. I'm no Geneticist and I don't have a clue, beyond basic Biology class, how this stuff works. All I know is, if I was Black, I'd be pissed off, regardless of its truthiness.


Why would you be pissed off? Because of a racist statement? That's a pretty petty thing to get pissed over.


Are you that stupid naturally or do you actively work on it?



Edited, Oct 18th 2007 9:45am by Kaelesh
#22 Oct 18 2007 at 6:45 AM Rating: Decent
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Kaelesh wrote:
All I know is, if I was Black, I'd be pissed off, regardless of its truthiness.


Maybe, but if science proves this theory correct, you'd have no reason to be pissed off at the scientist for discovering it. Now, I could see being pissed off at God for making you stupid.


The comment itself you ninny fuckheads.
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Maybe, but if science proves this theory correct, you'd have no reason to be pissed off at the scientist for discovering it.


I'm not sure I agree. What purpose would it serve at this point in time to show that someone of a different skin colour is predisposed to be dumber than another race? Racism is a hard fight to fight, and this would only help the bigots along, while doing little at this point in time to make public, these findings. Now, once they find a way in the future to put this to use, sure, its fine to release, but not so much right now.
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Well, first you have to establish that there are significant genetic differences that are split down racial lines-- which I've never seen evidence of--even before you will presuppose differences based on those lines.
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Kaelesh wrote:
Senjiow the Mundane wrote:
Kaelesh wrote:
I'm not saying it isn't possible at all. I'm no Geneticist and I don't have a clue, beyond basic Biology class, how this stuff works. All I know is, if I was Black, I'd be pissed off, regardless of its truthiness.


Why would you be pissed off? Because of a racist statement? That's a pretty petty thing to get pissed over.


Are you that stupid naturally or do you actively work on it?

Edited, Oct 18th 2007 9:45am by Kaelesh


No, hear me out. All you are doing is pandering to those people who are berating you by getting mad. Water off a duck's back and all that. If you're that worried about what people think of you, rise above your "stereotype" and prove them wrong. In this case just graduate from high school, go to college, own a company, or whatever you feel would justify your existence.
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Maybe, but if science proves this theory correct, you'd have no reason to be pissed off at the scientist for discovering it.


I'm not sure I agree. What purpose would it serve at this point in time to show that someone of a different skin colour is predisposed to be dumber than another race? Racism is a hard fight to fight, and this would only help the bigots along, while doing little at this point in time to make public, these findings. Now, once they find a way in the future to put this to use, sure, its fine to release, but not so much right now.


How do you put findings to use if no one knows about them?

Here's what I wonder though: did he do genetic testing, or just an average-IQ-of-a-sample-size-type test?

If it was just based off of an average of IQs, I'd have plenty of reason to doubt his findings that black people are 'predisposed' to be less intelligent. The state of affairs in Africa and inner cities in America where black people tend to live makes for a less intelligent lifestyle. If you took an average of all people living in those areas, I'd say the IQs would be pretty low.

I should read how he came to this conclusion...
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