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#27 Oct 18 2007 at 6:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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I dunno. I think it'd be pretty natural to be offended if someone worked to establish that genetically a group I'm part of is stupider than another group that has historically oppressed me.
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#28 Oct 18 2007 at 6:52 AM Rating: Good
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Well, first you have to establish that there are significant genetic differences that are split down racial lines-- which I've never seen evidence of--even before you will presuppose differences based on those lines.


It is an error to assume that highly divergent phenotypes represent highly divergent genotypes. Smiley: nod
#29 Oct 18 2007 at 6:55 AM Rating: Good
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I dunno... Dr. Foreman seems pretty smart to me.
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#30 Oct 18 2007 at 6:59 AM Rating: Good
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Lady Annabella wrote:
I dunno. I think it'd be pretty natural to be offended if someone worked to establish that genetically a group I'm part of is stupider than another group that has historically oppressed me.


Bill Cosby complained about how stupid his own race was and black people got pissed at that too.

Seriously though, why? I am trying really hard not to play the race card here but just because you're black doesn't mean your're a moron. I know a LOT of stupid white people. They cook my fries at BK, they mop my floors after I go home and they ring up my purchases when I have to brave the masses at Walmart.

Like I said in my earlier post, being mad about it is just fueling the fire.
#31 Oct 18 2007 at 7:00 AM Rating: Excellent
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Some of you didn't read the article. He didn't say he discovered a difference in intelligence along racial lines. He gave a controversial opinion based on observation, not on research.

I think he's a perfect example of nature vs. nurture in this regard, personally.
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#32 Oct 18 2007 at 7:02 AM Rating: Good
I haven't seen any test that is a good measure of IQ. I'm actually going over this topic in my Psychology class right now, and at least according to my book there is no genetic proof.
#33 Oct 18 2007 at 7:03 AM Rating: Good
Senjiow the Mundane wrote:
Bill Cosby complained about how stupid his own race was and black people got pissed at that too.

Seriously though, why? I am trying really hard not to play the race card here but just because you're black doesn't mean your're a moron. I know a LOT of stupid white people. They cook my fries at BK, they mop my floors after I go home and they ring up my purchases when I have to brave the masses at Walmart.

Like I said in my earlier post, being mad about it is just fueling the fire.


Well, if I was a race that had been enslaved, treated as a lesser individual, and generally shat upon for many many years, I'd probably be pissed of some guy said, "Oh, and they're just genetically less intelligent than everybody. Seriously, it's in their genes, pity them."

Oh, wait... That's what's happened to women. And I was pissed about it then, too.

I think it's hard for white guys to fully understand how it feels to look back and see someone your race/gender discounted. You guys have always been favored, so there's nothing for you to relate to.
#34 Oct 18 2007 at 7:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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Some of you didn't read the article. He didn't say he discovered a difference in intelligence along racial lines. He gave a controversial opinion based on observation, not on research.

I think he's a perfect example of nature vs. nurture in this regard, personally.


I take back all of my comments. He's a racist pig. Now, if only the media could learn to ignore ***** like him, there'd be little to know issue.
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#35 Oct 18 2007 at 7:04 AM Rating: Good
Senjiow the Mundane wrote:
Lady Annabella wrote:
I dunno. I think it'd be pretty natural to be offended if someone worked to establish that genetically a group I'm part of is stupider than another group that has historically oppressed me.


Bill Cosby complained about how stupid his own race was and black people got pissed at that too.

Seriously though, why? I am trying really hard not to play the race card here but just because you're black doesn't mean your're a moron. I know a LOT of stupid white people. They cook my fries at BK, they mop my floors after I go home and they ring up my purchases when I have to brave the masses at Walmart.

Like I said in my earlier post, being mad about it is just fueling the fire.


It's perfectly acceptable when a crazy old man starts shilling junk science as a cover for the fact that he hates the darkies.
#36 Oct 18 2007 at 7:05 AM Rating: Default
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Guys, can we stop using the term "Black People?"

It's a little offensive....
#37 Oct 18 2007 at 7:06 AM Rating: Good
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Uglysasquatch, Mercenary Major wrote:
Samira wrote:
Some of you didn't read the article. He didn't say he discovered a difference in intelligence along racial lines. He gave a controversial opinion based on observation, not on research.

I think he's a perfect example of nature vs. nurture in this regard, personally.


I take back all of my comments. He's a racist pig. Now, if only the media could learn to ignore sh*ts like him, there'd be little to know issue.


Thats what I was trying to get at. I read the article but I couldn't find whether he actually came to this conclusion scientifically or not.

It seems he didn't :P
#38 Oct 18 2007 at 7:07 AM Rating: Decent
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Kaain the Irrelevant wrote:
Guys, can we stop using the term "Black People?"

It's a little offensive....


Is this sarcasm?
#39 Oct 18 2007 at 7:08 AM Rating: Decent
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AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
Kaain the Irrelevant wrote:
Guys, can we stop using the term "Black People?"

It's a little offensive....


Is this sarcasm?


No.
#40 Oct 18 2007 at 7:08 AM Rating: Good
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#41 Oct 18 2007 at 7:09 AM Rating: Excellent
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If he has scientific findings to back it, you can't call it racist can you?
I'd be curious to see the science or at least to hear informed opinions on it.

We don't really have a great way of measuring intelligence as is (no, IQ tests aren't great). How do you eliminate the massive cultural and environmental influences and determine that, genetically, a measurable difference in intelligence exists?
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He has also suggested a link between skin colour and sex drive, positing the theory that black people have higher libidos...
Damn black half-men, always wanting to violate our white women with their giant phalluses Smiley: mad
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...and argued in favour of genetic screening and engineering on the basis that "stupidity" could one day be cured.
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#42 Oct 18 2007 at 7:09 AM Rating: Decent
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Senjiow the Mundane wrote:
Bill Cosby complained about how stupid his own race was and black people got pissed at that too.

Seriously though, why? I am trying really hard not to play the race card here but just because you're black doesn't mean your're a moron. I know a LOT of stupid white people. They cook my fries at BK, they mop my floors after I go home and they ring up my purchases when I have to brave the masses at Walmart.

Like I said in my earlier post, being mad about it is just fueling the fire.


Well, if I was a race that had been enslaved, treated as a lesser individual, and generally shat upon for many many years, I'd probably be pissed of some guy said, "Oh, and they're just genetically less intelligent than everybody. Seriously, it's in their genes, pity them."

Oh, wait... That's what's happened to women. And I was pissed about it then, too.

I think it's hard for white guys to fully understand how it feels to look back and see someone your race/gender discounted. You guys have always been favored, so there's nothing for you to relate to.


I don't need a point of reference to understand. I know that black people got the short end of the stick, so did the women, native americans, asians, jews, and countless other races/people. Be pissed about it, it sucks. But just how long are you going to hang on to your grudge? It is very unhealthy, both mentally and physically to force yourself to be mad at something you have absolutely NO control over. The world you control ends at your fingertips.
#43 Oct 18 2007 at 7:11 AM Rating: Decent
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Kaain the Irrelevant wrote:
Guys, can we stop using the term "Black People?"

It's a little offensive....


You can bet your *** I won't. I am a white guy. They are black. It IS a color, not a race. I am not a jewish-american, and unless they have dual citizenship with a continent, they aren't african-americans.
#44 Oct 18 2007 at 7:12 AM Rating: Good
Senjiow the Mundane wrote:
Be pissed about it, it sucks. But just how long are you going to hang on to your grudge? It is very unhealthy, both mentally and physically to force yourself to be mad at something you have absolutely NO control over. The world you control ends at your fingertips.


Tell you what. I'll stop "holding a grudge" when equality isn't just lip service.

Deal?

Once again, it's easy for you to say all of this when you're not the one getting the "short end of the stick."
#45 Oct 18 2007 at 7:12 AM Rating: Decent
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Kaain the Irrelevant wrote:
AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
Kaain the Irrelevant wrote:
Guys, can we stop using the term "Black People?"

It's a little offensive....


Is this sarcasm?


No.


What are we supposed to say? "African-American" doesn't apply, because we are talking about the black race worldwide.

I will say "Black People" to refer to all worldwide people of black skin until you give me something better.

Now quit being a PC d-bag.
#46 Oct 18 2007 at 7:13 AM Rating: Excellent
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What are we supposed to say?
According to Watson, "Half-ape spear throwers"
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#47 Oct 18 2007 at 7:14 AM Rating: Decent
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AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
What are we supposed to say? "African-American" doesn't apply, because we are talking about the black race worldwide.

I will say "Black People" to refer to all worldwide people of black skin until you give me something better.

Now quit being a PC d-bag.


Why do you hate people of color so much?
#48 Oct 18 2007 at 7:15 AM Rating: Good
Ash, take everything Kaain says with a major grain of salt.
#49 Oct 18 2007 at 7:15 AM Rating: Default
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Jophiel wrote:
AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
What are we supposed to say?
According to Watson, "Half-ape spear throwers"


Does anyone remember the black character in early episodes of M.A.S.H. called Spearchucker?

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#50 Oct 18 2007 at 7:17 AM Rating: Good
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Ash, take everything Kaain says with a major grain of salt.


Except if involved hair mousse.
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#51 Oct 18 2007 at 7:18 AM Rating: Decent
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Senjiow the Mundane wrote:
Be pissed about it, it sucks. But just how long are you going to hang on to your grudge? It is very unhealthy, both mentally and physically to force yourself to be mad at something you have absolutely NO control over. The world you control ends at your fingertips.


Tell you what. I'll stop "holding a grudge" when equality isn't just lip service.

Deal?

Once again, it's easy for you to say all of this when you're not the one getting the "short end of the stick."


In case you are unaware, I am half jewish. I am missing family because of WWI and II. The irony, the other half of my ancestry is responsible for it. So tell me who I am supposed to be pissed at? The jews for being jewish, or the germans for fighting for what they believed? Right or wrong, it's what they believed. You want lip service, you won't get it from me. I honestly don't care. I didn't do it, don't be mad at me. Or be mad, that's your choice and you have to live with it. I won't be losing sleep over it. Rise above it or drown in the mire.
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