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#177 Oct 16 2007 at 2:09 PM Rating: Good
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That's the thing, though. Nobody is ordering food they don't like. We are ordering food that we like, and explaining to them how we like it instead of rolling over and just taking what they want to give us.


Methinks that you and I have a different definition of "like".

If you actually liked it, you wouldn't need to change things so that you'd like it. Lol...


Does anyone else ever just want to jump on Gbaji, wrap your hands around his throat and be like:

Stop it! Stop it! STOP IT!
I do that with all my girlfriends anyway......
#178 Oct 16 2007 at 2:20 PM Rating: Good
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Oh gbaji. Most people make the most noise about things they like the most. If they didn't like them, they wouldn't care enough to want to better them.


Yes. But they don't say "I like that, but not the way it actually is, but only if they take this away, and add that, etc...".

We're not talking about someone liking something and wanting to make it "better". We're talking about someone *not* liking something. I have not yet heard someone say that they make changes to a burger because they like the burger the way it is, but it would really be great if only it was slightly different. Just about every single person talking about making changes has started from a "I don't like X", where "X" is something that comes on the burger that they want to buy.

If the burger comes with that thing, and you don't like that thing, then you don't like that burger. You might like a different burger, but not that one. I just don't see how you can look at this any other way. Marketing victims I guess? You somehow think you must like that big mac, but not with the ketchup on it, or the onions, and the bun's all wrong, but you do like the big mac! :)


Lol... this is darn amusing... Great insight into people's thought processes I guess...
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#179 Oct 16 2007 at 2:24 PM Rating: Good
gbaji, perhaps what you're missing here is that a burger is not what comes on it, but the meat and the bun. I like McDonald's burgers. I do not like onions and pickles, so I ask McDonald's not to put onions and pickles on their burger.

I honestly don't understand why that's so hard to get... It's like you have a mental block from understanding some of the simplest things...

Edited, Oct 16th 2007 5:24pm by Belkira
#180 Oct 16 2007 at 2:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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I can't be bothered to ask them to not put something on my burger, so I just order something different. If you want to ask them to not put something on your burger, go right ahead.

See how easy that was Gbaji? I said exactly what you wanted to say, but did it in 2 sentences, and won't require 1.5 pages of replies of me defending my position.
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#181 Oct 16 2007 at 3:12 PM Rating: Decent
ITT: Gbaji pulls a Stubs and argues his point into the ground even though it's clearly a stupid one.
#182 Oct 16 2007 at 3:26 PM Rating: Good
A man of principle he be.


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#183 Oct 16 2007 at 3:50 PM Rating: Decent
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gbaji wrote:
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See.. this sort of goes along with why American intelligence is declining. There's a certain standard that desperately needs to be kept.. and guess what, lowering the bar isn't the premier fast track.


Intelligence would be recognizing that trying to get things "your way" at a fast food restaurant is largely an exercise in futility...


No, Intelligence would be ordering what you want how you want and then getting it corrected when people ***** up. You always check to make sure you got what you ordered because the people who put the food together don't know what they're doing half the time.

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If he wants a burger, he should damn well be able to get a burger at a place that's convenient. Not a place across town that he heard has a burger without mustard on it...



Burgers without mustard on them, aren't that uncommon. I'd wager that every single fast food restaurant has at least one on their menu. It's not a matter of searching across town. It's a matter of looking at the darn menu and learning what's on each thing, and selecting one that matches your own dietary and taste requirements.

Sheesh! You make this sound like it's super complex? Maybe in the old days of one burger with variations served. But in todays market? Every single major fast food place has about 6 radically different "types" of food they serve. Surely you can find *one* that you like without having to make modifications?


Seriously. If you're that picky, maybe the problem is with you and not the fast food industry.


And what if nothing on the menu matches my own dietary and taste requirements? I'm not going to go to another ******* fast food place, i'm going to ask for them to take off the god damn cheese. I'm not going to find *one* thing that will make me full without me having to make modifications because there is rarely multiple things for each weight class. A double quater pounder comes automaticly with cheese and stuffs and nothing else matches it. A quater pounder comes with cheese and stuffs and nothing else matches it. etc.

I'm not picky because I don't like cheese on my burger. I don't like cheese on my hamburgers because imo it distorts the taste too much. Picky would be going to a different store to order a burger because the place i'm at right now doesn't make one that I want right now without modifications.

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You're assuming that I haven't already looked at the menu and not found another burger that would be appealing.


Then why are you there?

This is perhaps what I just don't get the most. Why on earth are you even driving to a place that you know doesn't have a single item on it's menu that you like?

Here's a suggestion. Go to the grocery store. Buy a bag of frozen patties. Buy a bag of buns. Buy whatever condiments you like. Then, instead of driving even a couple minutes out of your way and spending 5 minutes ordering something "your way", you just spend that time tossing that patty onto a skillet and making your own burger exactly as you want it?


There's a point at which I have to wonder why you're paying for food when you don't eat it. You do realize that they charge you for all that stuff you don't want on it, right? If you simply don't go to a place that doesn't serve food you like, maybe they'll get the hint and put stuff on the menu you *do* like?

Just a thought.


Why am I there? Because if I ask for them to take off one or two things then ABRAKADABRA HOLY ****!~-~-~-They have matched their burger with the one I want!?

I'm not going to go to a grocery store and buy the stuff needed to make the burger to make it myself to my own specifications. It's a god damn fast food place and I'm probably going there because I'm short on time and because it's close. If I had the time to make my own burger all the time I would and it would be better then any fast food burger and it would be cheaper.

There's a point at which I have to wonder why you're using up money for gas just to go to another fast food place when you can get the same thing for the same price plus or minus a bit by just asking them to take something off. You do realise how easy it is for them to make something without something on it or to get it corrected, right? If you simply just order something and say "No <stuff here> Please" maybe they'll get the hint and not put the stuff you don't want on your burger on your burger.

The end of the line is, fast food has degraded itself to a point where it's now your own fault if you don't check the food before leaving. Why has we allowed this service to degrade itself so much? It's not that hard if you know how to read english to see "No ketchup" and not put ketchup on it. I like how that places food tastes and that combined with my lack of time and resources is why I'm going there. Don't tell me I don't like "their food" because I altered it a little bit; all fast food places that server alike foods serve stuff very similar, sometimes almost exactly the same, but that tastes different.
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#184 Oct 16 2007 at 4:07 PM Rating: Decent
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A lot of people that work in fast food believe that it is very important to get your order right the first time. It isn't like Cletus or Habeeb is back there intentionally squirting mustard on your <insert burger name here>. Unfortunately, these same places believe in a particular time limit that ALL orders should be received in. This causes mistakes every once in a while.

I know they don't always **** up your order. If you really think that, you need to get that stick out of your ***.
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ham·burg·er Pronunciation[ham-bur-ger] –noun
1. a sandwich consisting of a cooked patty of ground or chopped beef, usually in a roll or bun, variously garnished.


This thread has gone from Fast Food Mess-up Rant Time to Serious Fast Food Debate is Serious.
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#186 Oct 16 2007 at 4:11 PM Rating: Good
For the record, on my way home tonight, I stopped at McDonald's and ordered a Two Cheeseburger Meal without pickles or onions.

Lo and behold, they got it right.

And yay, it was good.
#187 Oct 16 2007 at 4:29 PM Rating: Good
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No, Intelligence would be ordering what you want how you want and then getting it corrected when people ***** up. You always check to make sure you got what you ordered because the people who put the food together don't know what they're doing half the time.


Lol...

No. Intelligence would be recognizing the pattern that when you customize your order, your order gets screwed up more often then when you don't.

Now, what you do with that information is up to you. Me? I'll just figure out what things I like at a given location that don't require any customization and order those things. If a restaurant doesn't have anything I like, I don't go there.

IMO, that's much simpler and leads me to a stress free life. However, if you want to make your world a little harder to live in, by all means feel free to follow a specific course of action in order to make it that way...


Unless you get some sort of perverse pleasure out of catching people who ***** up your order and getting upset at them for it. Then, I suppose the whole "I'll customize my order at McDonalds" idea makes perfect sense. :)

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And what if nothing on the menu matches my own dietary and taste requirements?


Then don't go there. It's not complicated. I don't like Sushi. You don't see me going to a sushi place for lunch and then complaining that they can't ever seem to get my order right. I'm sure that if I tried hard enough, I could likely find some combination of things to remove and change from their standard menu that would make a few of the dishes palatable to me. But that's just not worth the trouble, hence I don't go to sushi restaurants.

See how that works?

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I'm not going to go to another @#%^ing fast food place...


Why the heck not? Is this a magic fast food place? Did the same guy who sold Jack his beanstalk beans build it? Seriously. Unless you live out in the middle of nowhere, I'm betting there are a dozen different fast food restaurants within reasonable distance of where you live/work that you could eat at. Why choose to go to the one that doesn't have anything you like?

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I'm not going to find *one* thing that will make me full without me having to make modifications because there is rarely multiple things for each weight class. A double quater pounder comes automaticly with cheese and stuffs and nothing else matches it. A quater pounder comes with cheese and stuffs and nothing else matches it. etc.


And at the risk of referencing another thread on a similar topic. A whopper does not have any cheese on it. And it's a vastly superior burger in every other way (cause I said so!). :)

Most Burger King burgers don't have cheese on them by default. Most Jack in the box burgers don't have cheese on them by default (the ultimate cheeseburger being the only obvious exception that springs to mind). Rallys? No cheese. In and Out? No cheese. Carl's Jr? About half and half.

And *gasp* if you're having so much trouble, that's before we even get into non-burger joints. Most chicken dishes don't come with cheese on them. So KFC, Church's, El Pollo Loco, etc... Not a whole lot of chinese takeout comes with cheese on them either. You might have a bit more trouble at a mexican food place, but a good old fashioned carne asada burrito doesn't come with cheese by default.

Not seeing how disliking cheese really puts that much of a crimp on the whole fast food dining experience.

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The end of the line is, fast food has degraded itself to a point where it's now your own fault if you don't check the food before leaving.


And yet. I've very very rarely ever had an order messed up. See. There's that pattern recognition thing going on here... ;)



Newflash. Fast food was never that good. It's just that people have come to expect their bottom of the barrel spending to result in top of the barrel service. IMO, you're really expecting far too much of the minimum amount you're paying. If you want good service, don't go to a fast food place. Seems kinda obvious, but it's got to be said.

Edited, Oct 16th 2007 5:31pm by gbaji
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This thread has gone from Fast Food Mess-up Rant Time to Serious Fast Food Debate is Serious.


This has got to be up there as one of the dumbest debates/discussions ever.
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#189 Oct 16 2007 at 5:09 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
Lol...

No. Intelligence would be recognizing the pattern that when you customize your order, your order gets screwed up more often then when you don't.


Except that like I sort of said previously, my order is right more often then wrong, around 9 to 1 at least.

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IMO, that's much simpler and leads me to a stress free life. However, if you want to make your world a little harder to live in, by all means feel free to follow a specific course of action in order to make it that way...


This is not the world of gbaji. Just because something is less stressful and is easier for you to do does not mean it's less stressful and easier for others to do. It's much easier and less stressful for me to order something at mcdonalds and correct it when it's wrong than to go all the way another fast food place. Good luck finding a place near me that serves double quater pounders with only ketchup. God forbid I sometimes feel like I want lettus or onions. Guess i'll have to go to a different place if I feel like I want those on my burger.

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Then don't go there. It's not complicated. I don't like Sushi. You don't see me going to a sushi place for lunch and then complaining that they can't ever seem to get my order right. I'm sure that if I tried hard enough, I could likely find some combination of things to remove and change from their standard menu that would make a few of the dishes palatable to me. But that's just not worth the trouble, hence I don't go to sushi restaurants.

See how that works?


That's a horrible analogy and therefore no, it doesn't work. A more correct analogy would be going to a sushi place that puts crunchy stuffs on top of all their sushi, but you don't like the cruncy stuffs. I could then either: a. drive a few miles to find another decent sushi place that fits to my standards or b. ask for my sushi not to have the crunchy stuff on it.

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I'm not going to go to another @#%^ing fast food place...


Why the heck not? Is this a magic fast food place? Did the same guy who sold Jack his beanstalk beans build it? Seriously. Unless you live out in the middle of nowhere, I'm betting there are a dozen different fast food restaurants within reasonable distance of where you live/work that you could eat at. Why choose to go to the one that doesn't have anything you like?


Because like I said before, It's not worth it for me to go out of my way and drive or walk somewhere else when I could just say "nothing but ketchup please." The place I decide to go to will have plenty that I like, I just have to ask them to take some stuff off before I'm willing to pay them money for it.

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Most Burger King burgers don't have cheese on them by default. Most Jack in the box burgers don't have cheese on them by default (the ultimate cheeseburger being the only obvious exception that springs to mind). Rallys? No cheese. In and Out? No cheese. Carl's Jr? About half and half.

And *gasp* if you're having so much trouble, that's before we even get into non-burger joints. Most chicken dishes don't come with cheese on them. So KFC, Church's, El Pollo Loco, etc... Not a whole lot of chinese takeout comes with cheese on them either. You might have a bit more trouble at a mexican food place, but a good old fashioned carne asada burrito doesn't come with cheese by default.


Burger king is too far away for me to go there, eat, and come back within 41 minutes. We don't have ny Jack in the boxes near us, Rallys, in and outs, cary's jr, church's, or el pollo locos near us either. Taco bell I personally don't like because the one near us tastes like crap imo, let's not even go into how much worse taco bell is than another food place health wise. :P The KFC near me is also horrible imo so I don't go there. Within safe distance for me for lunch I have Pizza hut express, Mcdonalds, Wendies, Zorns(lol), randomchinesefoodplace, some pizza places, and Five Guys. Even if I did have the places you mention near me, it would still take a lot more effort to go out of my way and spend the extra time/money getting there instead of walking up to mcdonalds and asking for a double quater pounder with no cheese, just ketchup.

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And yet. I've very very rarely ever had an order messed up. See. There's that pattern recognition thing going on here... ;)

Newflash. Fast food was never that good. It's just that people have come to expect their bottom of the barrel spending to result in top of the barrel service. IMO, you're really expecting far too much of the minimum amount you're paying. If you want good service, don't go to a fast food place. Seems kinda obvious, but it's got to be said.


My order is very rarely messed up as well, because instead of asking for some things on and some things off I just ask for nothing but ketchup. It's much easier then going to another place and ordering it how they normally prepare it. I'll assume you're not talking about taste: while fast food never was that good it has lowered itself. I'm not expecting anything like regular resturant quality service. I'm just wishing that people would read exactly what they have to make before making it. If they actually make a mistake then so be it, **** happens. If they make the mistake because they're lazy or because they don't understand what they need to be doing then shame on them :/
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.... while I don't really see what Gbaji is going off about....

I usually never order my sandwiches customized. They usually ***** them up if I do.

If I get a Quarter Pounder with Cheese, I take the Onions, and the Pickles off my burger.

If I get a Double Bacon Cheeseburger from the BK Lounge, I open the sucker up, and take the pickle out.

Simple, neh?

(I mean, they ***** things up. I've once ordered a Double Bacon Cheeseburger, without a pickle, and instead of removing the pickle, they removed the cheese Smiley: oyvey)



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#191 Oct 16 2007 at 5:34 PM Rating: Good
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Gbaji - Are you f'ing serious? Are you reallt arguing about this? The damn guy wants his food this way. STFU already.
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One time I ordered a double cheese burger, a small fries, and a medium diet coke at McDonald's and they gave me a fish sandwich, a box of McDonaldland cookies, and a medium regular coke. Smiley: frown


Your own fault, really. Next time don't customize your order so much. Find a fast food place where you like most of the stuff on the menu and then just tell them to chuck some of it in a bag.


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One time I ordered a double cheese burger, a small fries, and a medium diet coke at McDonald's and they gave me a fish sandwich, a box of McDonaldland cookies, and a medium regular coke. Smiley: frown


Your own fault, really. Next time don't customize your order so much. Find a fast food place where you like most of the stuff on the menu and then just tell them to chuck some of it in a bag.



She should have just got the big mac combo. Would have gotten closer to what she asked for.
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I think everybody should at some point in there life work two weeks at a fast food job. You would see how annoying it is when people come in with there attitudes wanting none of this and none of that. When I was 18 I worked for Burger King and I could probably write a book on the stupid people I got to deal with. Asking for 1 item off a item isn't a big deal. Its when you have somebody wanting minus about 3 items, extra on 2 items and they demand it be fresh off the grill, etc.
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I think everybody should at some point in there life work two weeks at a fast food job.


Smiley: nod Once you've tackled a job like that, you learn you can handle just about anything.
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Back when I did my McDonald's stint, we had people order burgers and fries with half salt.
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#197 Oct 16 2007 at 8:15 PM Rating: Good
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I think everybody should at some point in there life work two weeks at a fast food job. You would see how annoying it is when people come in with there attitudes wanting none of this and none of that. When I was 18 I worked for Burger King and I could probably write a book on the stupid people I got to deal with. Asking for 1 item off a item isn't a big deal. Its when you have somebody wanting minus about 3 items, extra on 2 items and they demand it be fresh off the grill, etc.


While I agree with you in principle, I can't help but wonder why it would be difficult for you to make a burger without three things. That's sort of sad if that taxes your brain power too much.
#198 Oct 16 2007 at 8:21 PM Rating: Decent
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fronglo wrote:
I think everybody should at some point in there life work two weeks at a fast food job. You would see how annoying it is when people come in with there attitudes wanting none of this and none of that. When I was 18 I worked for Burger King and I could probably write a book on the stupid people I got to deal with. Asking for 1 item off a item isn't a big deal. Its when you have somebody wanting minus about 3 items, extra on 2 items and they demand it be fresh off the grill, etc.


While I agree with you in principle, I can't help but wonder why it would be difficult for you to make a burger without three things. That's sort of sad if that taxes your brain power too much.


If it's 4:00 in the afternoon between rushes, it wouldn't be a problem. It's the people that make such requests in the middle of a dinner rush with 15 people at the counter and 10+ cars in drive through. Times like those... a burger guy doesn't have time to stop and concentrate on your specific sandwich. And god forbid he not be listening the very second you make such a request, or maybe he doesn't have a headset on. In either case, he now has to stop what he's doing, wait for the drive through person to NOT be talking to the customer, and ask "What was that order?", which delays things even further.

I spent 3 solid high school years working McDonald's, and sometimes it's just plain hell.

It's worth noting that back then, the sole means of communicating special orders to the grill area was a single dot matrix printer (think old school receipt printer) that was often greased up and not working properly. Today's fast food world is entirely more simplified, with their fancy overhead monitors and ****.
#199 Oct 16 2007 at 8:31 PM Rating: Good
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I think everybody should at some point in there life work two weeks at a fast food job. You would see how annoying it is when people come in with there attitudes wanting none of this and none of that. When I was 18 I worked for Burger King and I could probably write a book on the stupid people I got to deal with. Asking for 1 item off a item isn't a big deal. Its when you have somebody wanting minus about 3 items, extra on 2 items and they demand it be fresh off the grill, etc.


Id say something about this sounding like loser talk, which would be made funnier by the fact that you were talking about mcdonalds, but I never want to work in the food service (never did "fast" food) again. It really truly does suck to work in that industry in any way shape or form.
#200 Oct 16 2007 at 8:32 PM Rating: Excellent
I worked at a Boston Market for a month or two when I was fourteen or fifteen. When it would get real busy, I would serve people bloody chicken. When a large take-out order would come in during a rush, I would make sandwiches with nothing but bread and condiments. Sometimes, the meatloaf was green and slimey. The funnest part of my day was scooping up some scalding hot gravy with a piece of cornbread, and slapping it on the back of my buddy's neck.

I had to fit one hundred pounds of stuffing in a fifty pound container, so I'd stomp on it. It reminded me of Lucille Ball.

There was an old black woman, fat and toothless, and she sat in a freezer all day putting chicken carcasses on rotisserie spits.

Oh man, those ovens were so hot. If you dropped a chicken it would instantly combust. It was awesome, but not as much fun as slapping Sam in the back with scalding hot gravy-sponges.

Yeah, everyone should be required to work fast food at some point, and if you do it for more than two months you're a fUcking ******.

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#201 Oct 16 2007 at 8:34 PM Rating: Decent
Is working in retail stores for almost 3 years now good enough as a substitute to fast food jobs? We get our share of idiots that complain because our flyer starts the next day like it's always been. And the fact that we're out of stock on the last day of the flyer when they come out to buy some. Or when they complain when we have a shortage and we'll be getting other during the week? I'm also annoyed by people that decided that cashier people (since they are the only ones in a shop stuck at their positions) were the best ones to show you where merchandise is.

I could give more.
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