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#1 Sep 11 2004 at 4:11 PM Rating: Decent
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Do you guys think there will be a deal? I don't cause they won't agree on salary caps. What's the sports world coming to, I mean some players make more money than people who actually use there brains. I love sports but, I do agree there should be a salary cap on all sports.
#2 Sep 11 2004 at 4:16 PM Rating: Decent
hear hear
#3 Sep 11 2004 at 4:21 PM Rating: Decent
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I forgot who had that quote in their sig about this subject, I wish I could remember who it was. It applied perfectly.

Either way, I agree totally. They are WAY overpaid and seriously should only be doing it for their own personal glory. Not for the 7 digit income, which is WAY outta proportion.
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#4 Sep 11 2004 at 4:27 PM Rating: Decent
There will be a lock out. Players ARE overpaid.

If there is a season it will start in January. Remember 94 strike? 32 game season, my home team **** the bed that year.
#5 Sep 11 2004 at 5:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Proffesional Sports players are grossly over-payed.

It is true that they are possibly the best at what they do, but IMO that extra money should be used in teacher's salaries.

I know its kind of fruity but IMO teachers deserve it much more than athletes.
#6 Sep 11 2004 at 6:02 PM Rating: Good
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If you guys are going to bash on sports stars for being overpaid, you're picking on the wrong sport to do it. Hockey players get played peanuts compared to even the 3rd string football players, or the benchwarmers in baseball.

I honestly do hope that they come to a desicion soon though. A winter without hockey is cold and desolate.

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#7 Sep 11 2004 at 7:32 PM Rating: Good
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Hockey players get played peanuts compared to even the 3rd string football players, or the benchwarmers in baseball.

But football players don't have guaranteed contracts, so they can get screwed on a whim.

And the other three "major" US sports all produce tons more ad revenue, so obviously they're going to get paid more. Actual effort doesn't matter, just revenue.

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One of my biggest annoyances is the decline of popularity that ice hockey has undergone recently. Most people like going to the games, and most people admit that it's a good sport, but not many people really appreciate it.

Hockey is one of the only true team sports out there, where success absolutely depends on everyone working together. One of my favorite annoucers, Bill Clement, once called hockey "the thinking man's sport," and that has stuck with me. Forget all this "football is the greatest sport ever" crap. Give me a good hockey game any day.

Damn, I should've been born a Canadian.

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#9 Sep 11 2004 at 8:15 PM Rating: Decent
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I love sports but, I do agree there should be a salary cap on all sports.



That'd be fine if you want to cap the profits the owners make as well. The owners have no one but themselves to blame, they're the ones that offer ridiculous amounts of money to the athletes to begin with.

And how about capping ticket prices too?

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#11 Sep 12 2004 at 4:58 PM Rating: Good
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well sorta. Sallary caps are used to keep teams fair. In baseball theres a high luxery tax to try to keep the teams fair...which isnt working.
#12 Sep 13 2004 at 11:37 PM Rating: Decent
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I just think there should be a cap on overpaid players and if comes down to management making less money for that, than so be it. In the NHL, the NHLPA won't settle for the "cap" I just think that's miserable. This is an excellent example of people doing it for the "money" rather than pride, glory and fun. Who would have ever thought that when the league was first established it would be paying players millions of dollars??? There should be more players like Paul Kariya and less players like Eric Lindros when it comes down to money.
#13 Sep 14 2004 at 2:29 AM Rating: Good
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I can understand that arguement for sports like football and baseball, but as far as hockey, there is really no need for a salary cap. The fact is that the sport is losing popularity, losing TV ratings, and losing ticket sales. The teams barely make enough money to pay their players, staff, etc.

A great example of this is the Jagr trade to Washington from Pittsburg. They just didn't have the reasources to keep him around. If there were teams in hockey that were the equivalent of the Yankees, I could understand this arguement, but there is no powerhouse in hockey (one could make an arguement for Colorado, Detroit or New Jersey, but they aren't dynasties like the Yankees).

Should hockey have a salary cap? Nope. Will the NHL and the NHLPA come to an agreement? Probably not. Will we have hockey this season? Definately not.

Either way, it makes for a sad hockey community. Smiley: cry

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#14 Sep 14 2004 at 4:43 AM Rating: Good
The owners are forcing the players hands about money, so they can say "well you see, we tried to make it fair but the players wouldn't help us come to a fair agreement." That being said, the players are being greedy when you look at the fact money is being lost on all fronts in hockey.

Another factor is the weak Canadian teams. They are hurt by the Canadian dollar not being worth as much, and players demanding contracts in U.S. dollars, while revune there is mostly Canadian dollars. Hockey needs the Canadian teams to do well as they are the heart and soul of the league.

The football team salary cap is probably the fairest of any salary cap used by sports. It makes for interest each season as players don't stay put and teams rise and fall faster than then the Third Reich. It hurts fans as few players stay thier whole career with one team.

Hockey also hurt itself with the expansion into Columbus, Atlanta, Nashville, Florida in general, and also allowing teams to move to such places as Pheonix, and Dallas. These are not good hockey towns, and probably never will be.

The league needs to fold 10 teams to weed out the crap players who should be in the AHL and to get out of the bad markets.

I love hockey. I am a Calgary fan since 88. Good and bad times, go Flames, but no hockey for me this year.
#15 Sep 14 2004 at 6:01 AM Rating: Good
Actually, we're going through a salary cap process right now. The players, like anyone who offers a service or good in a market, are testing the market for value.

The same thing has been going on with the oil comnpanies and the fuel market. What you and I pay at the pump has little to do with the cost of a barrel of oil. They would love for us to believe that it does, but it simply doesn't. What we pay at the pump is what they have found that we WILL PAY.

Anyone who doubts the veracity of that statement, take a look at this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3382567.stm
http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/business/7834004.htm?1c
http://www.shell.com/home/Framework?siteId=investor-en&FC3=/investor-en/html/iwgen/news_and_library/press_releases/2004/announcement_05022004.html&FC2=/investor-en/html/iwgen/news_and_library/press_releases/2004/zzz_lhn.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3446521.stm

Those are from just 5 minutes of googling. You can pick and choose your sources, but what it boils down to is that every one of the big non-goverment owned oil companines made record profits last year. Some of them were unhappy because they projected even larger profits.

They jacked up fuel prices and we paid the pump price with little or no grumbling. And we're still doing so. Because, quite frankly, we CAN afford it.

So, while I personally deplore the paychecks cashed by the overgrown boys who play a game for a living, and refuse to watch professional sports on a regular basis because I'm disgusted by it, I understand, and even agree with their willingness to test the market to see how much they CAN be paid for what they do.

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#16 Sep 14 2004 at 11:49 AM Rating: Decent
Hockey has now officially become screwed much like baseball. The problem? There are just too many teams. When you have a team for every state (well almost anyways) and throw in a few from Canada the problem becomes dilluted talent. There just aren't enough good players to concentrate on one team.

You then run into the issue that any owner with an unlimited checking account can just buy up all the talent ala George Steinbrenner or Ted Turner. Players don't look for long term contracts anymore because they can have a great season and up their ante the following year or move to another team.

The other problem you run into is this.. the NHL is in trouble. The fans just aren't turning out like they used to in a lot of cities. Can you blame them? I myself can attest to the low fan turnout in Chicago. The thing people need to realize is that the fans are the ones who ultimately pay. Whether they jack up ticket prices or blackout home games (yes thank you Mr. Wirtz for Hawkvision) the fan is the one who must compensate for the fiscal change.

Strikes do a lot to hurt a league. It took Sammy Sosa and Mark McGuire to get baseball back on track and that was 4 years after the strike of 94. Owners and players both take for granted that the revenue will always be there. If the fans stopped showing up then changes would be made. As long as there is money flowing, things will operate on a "business as usual" mentality.

My advice to you, find another hockey league to get into. I have been watching the AHL (used to be the IHL) and the Chicago Wolves are a great team to watch. Tickets are cheap, and the games are great. Why dwell on the fact that this lockout is looming near. It's inevitable. The sad truth is that even if this gets resolved, how long will it take untill players become unhappy and lockout again..5 years..3 years?

Thats just what I think...
#17 Sep 15 2004 at 3:03 AM Rating: Good
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It took Sammy Sosa and Mark McGuire to get baseball back on track and that was 4 years after the strike of 94.


Sorry to go off topic on this, but I belive it was Cal Ripken breaking Lou Gherigs record that put baseball back on track.
#18 Sep 15 2004 at 5:35 AM Rating: Decent
Who said baseball is back on track?
#19 Sep 15 2004 at 1:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Its official in half an hour, here it goes...
#20 Sep 15 2004 at 3:46 PM Rating: Decent
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Sorry to go off topic on this, but I belive it was Cal Ripken breaking Lou Gherigs record that put baseball back on track.
How many movies did they make about Cal Ripken? I can name at least one that was inspired by McGuire...Smiley: tongue
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