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#152 Sep 16 2004 at 8:03 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm not going any deeper into this because it'll turn into a religious debate..and we don't want that on the forum. But when I said as a people... I was saying that most Americans are religious(which they are). As to homosexuals being un-holy...that was a very offending remark and I apologize, but in the Bible it is mentioned to not be right. I respect your beliefs and trust me...it sounds like my beliefs..that I don't want to believe. But after truly thinking about it, I come to the point that If the truth about God was out there for everyone to see...there would be no truely faithful people, in other words God makes it impossible to tell for a reason. I choose to believe in God out of fear...which is wrong. But it's all I've got right now. And even if most people don't admit it, if your IQ is over 100 you probably -question- God as well. You are supposed to question God though. How else would you come to a conclusion.

Lets not make this a religion thing please.

Anyway...I don't think posts that arent game-related should be allowed anymore lol Vote Bush!

EDIT: I wish people wouldn't rate me down because of my beliefs.

Edited, Thu Sep 16 21:06:04 2004 by Seloan
#153 Sep 16 2004 at 9:49 PM Rating: Decent
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EDIT: I wish people wouldn't rate me down because of my beliefs.


I support your right to have beliefs while i may or may not agree with them.

I'll be happy to debate them.


What I absolutly cannot stand is when people take thier beliefs and incorporate them into United states Law.
#154 Sep 16 2004 at 10:27 PM Rating: Default
Why do you live in a country based on god if your against it. You say "one nation under god" or leave. Except that or leave. Abortion is wrong too. Thats murder, I dont care who you are or what your view is. no matter what, thats murder. What I find funny is liberals who protest the death or iraqis but not abortions. Im not catholic, nor am I religios, but I feel that murder of an unborn baby is wrong, and if your proabortion you shouldnt be able to have sex.
#155 Sep 16 2004 at 11:55 PM Rating: Decent
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Why do you live in a country based on god if your against it. You say "one nation under god" or leave.


Man, before you start claiming to know anything about the USA, you might want to do some research first. So in this statement, you are saying that the pledge of allegiance means that the US is a country based on religious laws.

Do you even know the history of that fine ode? The pledge of allegiance was written in 1892 by Francis Bellamy, a socialist. The phrase "under god" was not added until 1954. It was added basically as a way to reflect that the US was not a communist country.

One question for pubbies, since a lot of you seem to be against gay marriage, is why? I mean if you are married, do you really think that two men marrying, or two women marrying is going to cause your marriage to somehow fail? How would that be insulting marriage?

Also, if you are against gay marriage, are you also against divorce? If yes, why aren't you campaigning to make divorce illegal? That's also against that oh so sacred institute of marriage right?
#156 Sep 17 2004 at 12:32 AM Rating: Decent
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What I find funny is liberals who protest the death or iraqis but not abortions



What I find funny is conservatives who oppose abortion because its murder but suppor capitol punishment.
#157 Sep 17 2004 at 4:42 AM Rating: Decent
Who likes Eminem?

I bet most of you white guys do, right?

Guess what? Eminem doesn't like Bush! Gasp! That means YOU don't like Bush either! You know who you HAVe to vote for now, right?
#158 Sep 17 2004 at 7:05 AM Rating: Good
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Why do you live in a country based on god if your against it. You say "one nation under god" or leave. Except that or leave
Except a false statement or leave, boy someone is full of themselves. As someone already pointed out that "under god" was added more recently. If you actually reaserch the founding fathers you would find out they were deists, and believed every view on religion should be allowed, hense freedom of religion.
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Abortion is wrong too. Thats murder, I dont care who you are or what your view is. no matter what, thats murder. What I find funny is liberals who protest the death or iraqis but not abortions
Well you are getting into a shady area here, you need to define your definition of murder and what is alive better. What if a pregnant women only in the first trimester is doing some work on a ladder and falls, the pregnancy aborts it's self, so is she guilty of murder? I would also like to see how your view would change if you ever got married, and a mexican raped your wife, got here pregnant, and you were stuck paying for a little mexican that you hate so much.
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and if your proabortion you shouldnt be able to have sex.
Let's add a little here. If you do not have the means to support a child you cant have sex, if you dont have a higher education you cant have sex, if youcant say the word nuclear you cant have sex, if you are not approved by family services you cant have sex, if you have a mental disorder (which of course we know you do Mr. Bubba) you cant have sex, and I could go on. If you are going to look at sex as only a means for procreation, and limit who can have it you might as well put limits on everyone for the best benefit of the possible child, after all "Every Sperm is Sacred."

Ghanha I will say you are right in pointing out anti-deaths in Iraq and proabortion is a bit hypocritical, but the conservative side is just as hypocritical if not more. Anti-abortion, but pro death penalty, pro death in Iraq, and anti stem cell research to name a few.
#159 Sep 17 2004 at 10:18 AM Rating: Decent
Haterade wrote:
Who likes Eminem?

I bet most of you white guys do, right?

Guess what? Eminem doesn't like Bush! Gasp! That means YOU don't like Bush either! You know who you HAVe to vote for now, right?


that is the most rediculous things i have seen in a while
#160 Sep 17 2004 at 10:26 AM Rating: Decent
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Ghanha I will say you are right in pointing out anti-deaths in Iraq and proabortion is a bit hypocritical, but the conservative side is just as hypocritical if not more. Anti-abortion, but pro death penalty, pro death in Iraq, and anti stem cell research to name a few.


I'm sorry.. who is pro-death in iraq? I dont agree with abortion.. but I do agree that there are instances where it should be allowed; rape, death to the mother, or incest. Death penalty is a thing that has been going on for a long time. I think that it is a neccessary thing and that most people would agree if they lost a loved one by the hand of a killer. I dont know what is with the anti-stem cell research.. from my understanding Bush is the only president that has funded any research into it. I understand there are limitations.. but that is to get away from baby harvesting for stem cells
#161 Sep 17 2004 at 10:57 AM Rating: Good
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I'm sorry.. who is pro-death in iraq? I dont agree with abortion.. but I do agree that there are instances where it should be allowed; rape, death to the mother, or incest. Death penalty is a thing that has been going on for a long time. I think that it is a neccessary thing and that most people would agree if they lost a loved one by the hand of a killer. I dont know what is with the anti-stem cell research.. from my understanding Bush is the only president that has funded any research into it. I understand there are limitations.. but that is to get away from baby harvesting for stem cells
Pro death in iraq was me trying to use the same terms Ghanha was, since since anti death in iraq is liberal, pro death in iraq would be conservative. I was using his terms to make a point to contradict his, please read the post I was replying to for better understanding.

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In the United States, the National Institutes of Health (NIH) sets the standards for medical research that can receive federal funding. The standards forbid laboratories that receive federal funding from isolating human embryonic stem cells. In 2001, President George W. Bush announced that he would allow federal funds to support scientific research on existing supplies of stem cells that had been isolated previously in privately funded laboratories. A law passed by the California State Legislature in 2002 allows laboratories receiving funding from that state to isolate human embryonic stem cells. The laboratories would remain ineligible for federal funds
He only provided funding to already funded laboratories, which can limit new ideas on use to come into play. Also the aquisition of stem cells directly follow abortion rights since stem cells come from embryos. So no abortions means less stem cells to work with. My oppinion is if the embryo is destroyed from an abortion any way why not use the stem cells for experiments
#162 Sep 17 2004 at 2:22 PM Rating: Decent
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The main problem with the original posters idea for voting against Kerry is the fact he is in the military, and is enjoying the raises in pay. Me, on the other hand, dislike the military, and armed forces in general, seeing that I think war is pointless. Not to say America wasn't justified in going to war, but I'm saying that war itself is evil natured. I know war is part of human nature, but I think people should at least exhaust all peaceful solutions before armed forces are used.


Just my two gil on that topic.


ps.

I'm voting Nader
#163 Sep 17 2004 at 2:39 PM Rating: Default
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I'm voting Nader


So I guess you feel indifferently apathetic about the state of the nation right now. Nader didn't even get the Green party nomination this year - even they don't want him on their ballot. Any true Naderite can advocate for him all they want and say they like his policies, but in the end he has 0.000000000001% chance of winning the election.

Therefore, by voting for him you are opting to not play a role in deciding whomever the President will be (although it is a nod towards Bush, which is ironic as Nader is supposedly further to the left than the Democrats). Nader is running because he is a power-hungry egoist. So, go ahead and waste your vote - I just hope you don't live in a swing state.
#164 Sep 17 2004 at 7:04 PM Rating: Decent
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Edited, Sat Sep 18 00:58:05 2004 by Qcumber
#165 Sep 17 2004 at 7:30 PM Rating: Decent
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Death penalty is a thing that has been going on for a long time. I think that it is a neccessary thing


WTF is wrong with you conservatives. I have full respect for anyone who takes an opinion and sticks with it.

But you guys are saying that abortion is murder so its wrong but appaarenlty the death penalty is ok.


Do you even know what the word hippocrat means.

I can't fathom in my head what the **** is wrong with you people. Learn to stick with your ******* posistion. If you take the stand that murder is wrong then that means ALL forms of murder is wrong. I can tolerate the existance of conservatives but the one thing i cannot stand for is hippocrats.


I'm for a loss of words that people find it acceptable to be a hippocrat.

Its even worse when an insanly religious man is supporting capitol punishment. I'm left wondering what religion hes a part of.
#166 Sep 17 2004 at 8:01 PM Rating: Decent
Abortion rocks. Death Penalty Rocks. Bush is dumb. Kerry is dumber. Were gonna be in a hell hole with Bush as president. We'd be in hell with Kerry as President. I think this is the hugest flame thread I've seen. BLAH!

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#167 Sep 17 2004 at 9:06 PM Rating: Decent
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The only non white in my gene pool is me being half jew. so, I know all about the jews, and I have every right to hate them and will.


This line bothers me. How can he say that he is the only non white person in his family because he is half jewish? He could only be half jewish if he was adopted, or if his father was jewish, right?
#168 Sep 17 2004 at 10:36 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah to you Mindspirals, I may be wasting my vote, but in my opinion the US needs to realize that there are more choices then Democrat, and Republican. Green party, liberatarian party, just to name two. No..I don't live in a swing state. I live in South Dakota, and VERY MUCH Republican state, so even voting Kerry, my vote wouldn't matter, seeing as popular vote means nothing, and the electoral college means everything.

My beef with the electoral college doesn't need to be brought up though..

Edited, Fri Sep 17 23:37:42 2004 by BSmitty
#169 Sep 18 2004 at 7:34 AM Rating: Good
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The only non white in my gene pool is me being half jew. so, I know all about the jews, and I have every right to hate them and will.
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This line bothers me. How can he say that he is the only non white person in his family because he is half jewish? He could only be half jewish if he was adopted, or if his father was jewish, right?
Naw he is only half Jewish since they on did half a circumcision during his Bar Mitsvah. This is the only way I can think of being a half of a religion, since being Jewish does not mean you are of a particular race, thus no genes are passed down from the parents marking a person as Jewish.
#170 Sep 18 2004 at 8:14 AM Rating: Decent
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Correct me if I am wrong, but I do believe that according to, I think it is, Talmudic law, a person is jewish if her/his mother is jewish. That is how the jewish identity gets passed on through the generations. So, he could consider himself to be half jewish, if his father was jewish, but would never really be accepted as a jew if his mother was not. If his mother was jewish, then he is not 50% jewish, he would be considered 100% jewish.

No one gets circumsized during a Bar Mitzvah, the circumcision happens during the bris, the birth cermony for boys. A bar mitzvah happens when a boy turns 13 and he is then considered to be a responsible male.
#171 Sep 18 2004 at 9:56 AM Rating: Decent
I am going to vote for Bush. He looks out for small businesses and their employees, and that is my issue to vote on. I don't agree with everything that he does, and I do agree with some things that Kerry promises. However, I need a leader that will greatly represent me in a positive way. Stuff like the war on terror does not affect me because I was nowhere near ground zero and some of my best friends are of Arabian lineage.
#172 Sep 18 2004 at 10:35 AM Rating: Decent
I am going to vote for Bush. He looks out for small businesses and their employees, and that is my issue to vote on. I
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one of the first things Bush tossed out when he became president was the Familey Leave Act. an act that phrohibited employers from firing, or permanently replacing a female emplyee if she became pregnant and needed to take a few weeks off to have a babe.

why do you not ask your "small bussiness" employees how they feel about that. especially the female employees.

as for the bussiness owners, licencing fees, health care, and INSURANCE, especially liability insurance have gone up consistantly. what, exactly, has Bush done for small bussinesses?

all he did was allow the wealthy top 10 percent keep alot more of their money on the backs of the rest of the 90 percent. they are the ones picking up the biggest chunk of inflation, INCLUDING small bussinesses.

how does the runaway fuel prices affect small bussinesses? how does the elimination of the mandatory mileage increas for new cars affect the fuel prices?

think that helps small bussinesses?

and about your friends of arab decent, how do they feel about being FORCED to abandon their religon, or atleast turn a blind aya to parts of it by president Bush?

or are your friends here in the states, like the Cuban community, and blindly think eveyr Cuban, and Arab in the world wants to be like them and live in the U.S.A.?

you make a statement about how Bush is good for you, how exactly?
#173 Sep 18 2004 at 10:49 AM Rating: Decent
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He looks out for BIG businesses and their EXECUTIVES,


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#174REDACTED, Posted: Sep 18 2004 at 11:58 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Abortion, and capital punishment are two completly different things. What has an unborn baby ever done to anyone, other then make mommies gina hurt?!?!? On the other hand, capitol punishment is what you get for something you have done to someone else. Such as killing someone! Hypocrites.
#175 Sep 18 2004 at 12:09 PM Rating: Decent
murder is murder no matter how you look at it. Capitol punishment and abortion may be two different things but the logical reasoning behind them is the same.

You can't say its wrong to "murder" a group of cells then say its right to murder a human being.

Its sad because people care more about a small growing sample of tissue than an actual full grown human being.
#176REDACTED, Posted: Sep 18 2004 at 12:16 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) **** your freedoms. Whats it even matter? Nothing, only thing that really counts is our eternal after life. If you dont belive in any kind of eternal after life, then you dont deserve one, nor do you deserve a life, your just a waste of air, a meaningless waste of matter. If you dont have anything to belive in, then your stupid lives just piddle on. You slave for others and then your gone with out a trace. There is a god, because we are most certainly not on this earth to be slaves. So, I suggest you bastards who are athiest find a deity, NOT SATAN, and follow it. If you don't fear a god, where is your moral? So, PieMan, you say you belive in Jesus(I dont consider him god, but hes your deity) Why are you a liberal? Jesus would not support gay marriages and welfare. Thats unholy and stealing from the state. Since most welfare people are either white trash, blacks or hispanics, I know I dont want my tax money going to them. Especially considering most of them have like 6 kids and are able to work.
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