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sorry didn't know thats what u meant. lol thx


on another note




actually if i recall there were american citizens accused of being enemy combatants that were held 2 yeards without trial or legal representation. I'm not talking about foreingers caught fighting im talkinga bout United states citizens who are guaranteed constitutional protections.

republicans arent fascists. I take responsobility for my own actions and think for my own damned self. Conservatives are even against me.

I try to belittle people out of their rights. Big difference, liberals push their way through the legal system to revoke your rights. I wouldnt kill anyone with out a very very very very good reason. Political views arent something I feel you should kill for unless its something as serious as say... a war that cant be avoided. Did I say I was pro war on terror? Im neutral on this one though. Could care less what happens, not my buisness. But I do agree with democrats, it is for oil. I dont care though. They got suddam out of power why cant you just hug bush for that?





Ive tried to explain this before, P.C. benefits all minorities but whites. Where the hells my slice of pie? Besides, why the hell does it matter if Im rascist? I have that right to be. But I would never support a lynching of anyone because they are not white. Thats silly and wrong. I don't hate anyone because of their skin color. I respect them just as they deserve. I respect everyone a little. Even you Pieman! One thing I don't respect is your views though, keep them, just don't keep em' in America. I just see them as anti-american, and thats what I really want to break through. I don't want my personal preferences of blacks, jews, hispanics to get too detailed in this little quarell we had here. Maybe if I were a little more careful with my wording my point would be alot stronger. If you get the point then don't speak down upon me. Agree or Disagree and see how it complies to American values.

Anyways, w/e. I'm not in the mood to argue bout this atm. Ill get back to ya all in 20.

Whites aren't a minority in America, but suit yourself.



Perhaps, although I think if you made them any clearer and people actually read your posts rather than just skimming them you'd be in real trouble. Things to avoid if you'd like to look like less of a moron next time;

- Comparing a movement to try and protect people, rightly or wrongly (to some extend I will agree that it goes overboard- but not always, and nor is it a bad idea) to the systematic eradication of millions of Jews in Europe and the forced removal of many others.
- Admiring said removal, or at least publicially saying that you admire said removal. If you're going to be a Neo-****, you'd be better off doing so in private. Saying that you admire Hitler in a debate is the equivilent of blowing all of limbs off with a shotgun before an Iron Man competition.
-Avoid things like this (random skimming turned up this and many other examples);

A clear argument against any kind of government-funded education system if I ever saw one. By the way, before you accuse me of misquoting you the elipsis (...) indicates a break in the text; I took out a line in between the two, although it hardly helped your case.
-Making arguments that sound like they came from a fifth-grader at best. "Well... they, like, got Saddam (Side note; while this is rendered from two different languages, Saddam Hussein is much closer to the actual language than Suddam. Back to your regurally scheduled beating) out of Iraq and stuff and like that was good. And stuff."

hah, thanks for your reply. ill be sure to remember some of that, slur my grammar as you will though. but dont use it against my political views. Just for the record Im not a neo-****. I wouldnt support hitler. I just dont like the cause. Dislike of jews is different from being a ****. Plenty of people hate Jews. Arabs, Jesse Jackson lol, EURO, Jesus, anyone who does not like the press, and you could dig deep into history to see that jews have always faced discrimination from everyone. They just are hated. I dont bring my hatred of jews to the public much unless you draw it out of me. Or if you cant take the pizza and the oven jokes. If I ever call anyone a Jew its because they act like one, or I cant think of another word in place of Jew as an adjective or noun to describe.

That was a joke. I'll say what I want.

Shall I bring my views to the asylum?

Thank you again karma trolls

Yes, but isn't it odd how every debate between a knowledgable republican and a knowledgeable democrat ends up with the liberal dodging questions, and giving falty information?

HAHA republicans are anti-black,anti-woman, and anti-gay???
Well to be honest..I don't know why the hell you say that we are anti-black...and for the gay thing...we don't support gay marriages, that doesn't mean that we are anti-gay. It simply means that we read the bible occasionaly and know that marriage is a holy thing, while being gay is not. For "anti-woman" it's more like "anti-abortion", which you consider a bad thing, but we don't. It is sickening, to me, that you would not allow a baby to be born. Especially if it was done by puncturing(sp?) its skull following birth. I know that our government was mostly based on Hammurabi, not on religion. But as Americans we are religous, and it seems to be working well for us, in that we are the most successful nation, perhaps ever.

So next time you accuse us of being anti-anything...remember that if we are, you must be anti-religion.

- obviously you just don't follow politics...watch a debate, they WILL NOT answer a question. I reccomend you listen to Hannity on the radio..he might "Fix" you.


Edited, Thu Sep 16 19:55:16 2004 by Seloan

Speak for yourself. There are millions of Americans who are not religious. There is a separation of church and state for a reason. Personally I would consider myself to be spiritual, although in many ways I find religion loathsome. It is an institution historically based around money and power. The people who go to church nowadays (and I know this because I was Christian for a majority of my life), rarely use it as a time of true fellowship. It is a gossip circle. People who carry on conversations with other people simply because they share similar beliefs and it makes them feel comfortable. There is the same amount of fellowship to be found in the members of the Nets basketball team conversing with one another.

Additionally, I find that people not involved in the Christian church to be far more moral and accepting of other people than those who follow religion. The church represses people so they naturally react in the opposite direction. That is why most of us probably knew the "hypocritical religous girl/guy" in high school that was more promiscuous than everyone else. I'm not going to get into the validity of Mormonism, but they generally have many of the same precepts of morality that Christians do, i.e., don't lie, don't steal, don't kill, etc. The population of Utah is roughly 70% Mormon, yet Salt Lake City has one of the highest crime rates in the country. Guess which state has the highest reincarceration rate in the USA? Utah. Surprising? Not really.

People who go to church need direction in their life. They cannot find it on their own, so they ask for help from someone else. I am not saying their isn't a God, or that I don't believe in Jesus, but I am saying that someone in South America who doesn't devote himself to Christianity is going to some ficticious place called Hell. Where exactly do you draw the line for people who go there? If they have asked for Jesus' forgiveness and made him their personal savior? How about the person who is raised in a family practicing Hinduism, are they simply screwed? Even if they are told about Jesus, and they understandably don't alter their life because some missionary suggested it. Do they go to Hell?

I do not believe that an all-loving and compassionate being - traits Christians largely believe God has - would ever send anyone to a place called Hell.

Most people who call themselves Christians who I have known are just as "sinful" as I am - they just have a self-imposed sugar coating of righteousness.

I find it disgusting how most Christians bastardize Jesus' words and beliefs, choosing to judge other people and warp what I believe he truly stood for. What makes me even more disgusted is how a majority of these religious people vote for Bush. Simply amazing. I don't know how you people could find a guy who better represents the opposite of what religion could be.



Being gay is not a holy thing huh? It is just as holy as being heterosexual if you want to go into that territory. If you went out of your way to actually do some research beyond what your pastor and the Bible tells you, you would learn about how genetics effects sexual preference. BEING GAY IS NOT A CHOICE. That being said, how can you blame someone for something that they were born with? It is like saying that someone with good eyesight is holy, but someone with poor eyesight is a sinner, and should be discriminated against.

I'll ask you a simple question. Are seagulls capable of sinning?
I assume you answered no, if not, we can have a separate debate about that one. Now, how is it that there are plenty of gay seagulls? Is it a choice? How about the hundreds of other species of animals out there that practice homosexuality? Is it simply there preference? Hmmm. Let me tell you something. Because of people like you, many of the young gay people in our society are very ashamed of who they are. Because of people like you, they are afraid to be honest, and afraid to BE WHO THEY ARE. Very Sad.



And it is sickening to me how you would let a baby be born to a crack ***** who was raped, and forced to raise a kid in some 3'rd world L.A. apartment, living off of breadsticks. Boy that kid is gonna have a great life. Get real - there is no such thing as "black and white" morality.



Damn right I'm anti-religion, and proud to have seen the light.