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bah, ***** that first link... the 2nd and 3rd are a better source for understanding. The last link is just a cool pic. ^.^

I forget, but it was supposed to center someone along the Arkansas stretch of the Miss. River.

heh... there's talk on the news about vegas flooding... but I haven't seen but .06 inches of rainfall so far.

^^

Shhhh im trying to forget.

Yeah... There's a good amount of gamers out here. I actually hung out with my Everquest guild IRL sometimes for BBQs and crap like that. Funniest part was I was 17 and most of the other people at the BBQs were middle-aged men and women 0_0...

Luckily I didn't have work on any of the big flood days...

You know where Ann road is? It's a really really long downhill road on the north part of Vegas... I'm near the top =p... I swear the ditches on each side of the road were like twin-rivers 0_0!

Edit: And is it just me... or do most of these Galactic Solstice web sites sound like they were created by the Cybernetic Ghost of Christmas Past From the Future?...

"Thousands of years before Sigourney Weaver I survived the inpenetrable quickening..."

Edited, Fri Jul 16 03:52:05 2004 by Romulox

If such a civilization existed wouldn't it have left more visible scars on the planet. Look what we've done to it. People will be digging up our crap for thousands of years. seems like we would have stumbled across styrofoam cups from atlantis burger by now.

Hmmm, this may be the case in regards to the Old Testement but the New Testement IS indeed factual. Reveleations of course is yet to be determined but thats another argument.

i think it'll be pretty business as usual. if its happened before (and not really that long ago) and the earth and its living creatures are still around...

here's some info on poles flipping:
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast15feb_1.htm

the sun's poles flip every 11 years (next one is in 2012 Ooooh :P) and the earth's apparently flips as well, just no one has figured out exactly when it will happen next.

as for the weather being unusual, the earth's weather is not constant. there will be more ice ages to come, and global warming is also a naturally occuring thing. the reason it is made a big deal of nowadays is because we're artificially accelerating it.

really, 6,500 years or even 26,000 years is nothing in the big scheme of things.

and might i add that you are taking the negative comments very gracefully krem ^^

edit: played with the url link to make it work



Edited, Fri Jul 16 13:42:11 2004 by eris

Edited, Fri Jul 16 13:43:03 2004 by eris

thats what i had been putting >< but seems that if i just leave it out completely it automatically links it ^^; how silly. thank you, though.

Heh. The myth of Atlantis is always a good one. I do think that it suffers from future generations always reading such myths and re-interpreting them in the context of their knowledge of the world instead of the knowledge of those who originated the myth in the first place.

The myth was originally writen by Socrates based on a story he overheard from a Greek leader who'd traveled to Egpyt and heard the story there. According to the Epytians, Atlantis was a nation-state that ruled the seas. They were located out in the sea to the West. They had great riches and were quite the "ideal" society. Then, they turned to war and began invading the mainland of Greece. Note, this was a proto-greek civilization. The Greeks of Socrate's day had no knowledge of it. That was the thrust of the story, that an Eqyptian priest had told a Greek traveler about some history of earlier times in Greece. The relevant bits though is that during this invasion, a great calamity occured which destroyed both the ancient proto-greek culture *and* the Atlantians. Their home island "sank beneath the waves".


Here's where the problems come in though. Socrates says that Atlantis lies "beyond the pillars of Hercules". Well, that's the entrance to the Mediteranian Sea, placing Atlantis out in the Atlantic Ocean (no coincidence on the name btw). But the Eqyptian's clearly would not have refered to that location in that way. That must be a reinterpretation made by Socrates himself. Also, the story clearly indicates that at the time, the Eqyptians couldn't themselves travel across the Sea (not uncommon, since it requires a bit more knowledge of the oceans to be able to reliable travel beyond sight of land). So, they could not have known exactly where Atlantis was, just that it was across the ocean (to the West). Well. Greece is across the ocean to the west from Eqypt. There's no requirement for Atlantis to be outside the Mediterranian Sea at all. Except that Socrates would have needed to put this mysterious place farther away since the Greeks at that time did know how to cross the Sea, so past the Pillars would have been the closest "fit" to what the Egyptians were describing.


The most rational explanation is that it was originally a seafaring nation based on one of the volcanic islands near Crete (but not Crete itself). It may or may not have also been the "Minoan" culture that has been found in that area (or that could have been the proto-greek culture. No way to know). It makes absolutely no sense to assume that a natural disaster that would destroy/sink an island nation out in the Atlantic ocean would have also destroyed their armies on mainland Greece *and* the armies and civiliation of those ancient Greeks as well, while leaving no sign or stories of any effects in the regions in between (like Spain or Italy).

On the other hand, a volcanic eruption on the home isle of Atlantis if located in the Mediterranian Sea near Greece does account for everything. We can have an island destroyed without a trace, and dust/debris from the eruption that would destroy nearby cultures (including their military forces), but not effect anything farther away. An older culture like ancient Egpyt would have been aware of the destruction, but would have had no more details then that they were there before, and now a few survivors show up talking about huge destruction of their cities. Anyone close enough to know what exactly happened would have been killed, so the only stories would have come from those Atlantean traders that were at ports in Eqypt say, and found that their homeland was destroyed utterly.


Over time, the myth has kinda grown, but odds are it had a very "small" origin that's just grown in scale. It's unlikely they had magical or super science. They were just one of many reasonably advanced cultures of the time that suffered a devastating natural disaster that destroyed them. It's really not that uncommon for cultures to get wiped out in history. We only really know about this one because it was mentioned as a footnote about "ideal cultures" by someone who today is considered significant for his writings. He meant it more as a cautionary tale about the backlash of war. He was making a connection between their change from peaceful traders to violent conquerers and not even obliquely naming that change as the cause for their downfall. Of course, back then it was assumed that natural disasters were the result of the god's displeasure with man, so they must have done something "bad" in order to get wiped out like that. He was making a philosophical point with Atlantis, not necesssarily trying to tell a story about an ancient lost culture.

Huh?

That's pretty spurious logic there. What possible connection can the size of those two parts of the bible have to do with anything? The OT spans a historical time period of somewhere around 800-1200 years (and there's a lot of debate about the earlier time periods). Obviously, the content of some of the stories (particulary Genesis) refers to even older times, but the actual origins of the storeis themselves simply aren't that old. Bible scholars can determine the approximate time that a tale was created based on the style and context within it. They don't stretch much past 1 thousand years BCE (if even that).

Surprised? Yup. The NT, which is "smaller" in size, with fewer stories, was written over a period of 300ish years. They are *older* today then the oldest stories in the OT were when the NT was written. Kinda blows your whole observation out of the water, doesn't it? If your theory was correct, the world would have ended sometime in the 6th century.

But hey! It makes for a great bit of superstition. ;)

GOddam.. I wish my G/f wasn't making me go to art scape at the moment so I could debate this.


Look.... You can't say Sacrates made this up.... because If he heard it from some Leader..then where didi he hear of it and so on??

I heard it was Plata anyway.. from Timaeus.. so Nyah.


Also that shctick about Egyptians not being able to travel across the sea.... Check out those crazy wicker boats that they used.... someone actually built one using the same method and found it to be sea worthy.. also ther is ONE culture in ..i think polynesia that builds the SAME Boat.

Also if you check out the Zodiac of the Oldest of Egyptian decorations... the accruacy of their star charts and wahtnot all point toward a people that had Extensive knowledge of the stars and Navigation.. Concidering these star maps are from waht we concider the First Dynasty and waht not.. What happened befopre that to get them this knowledge.

I could also go on about all of the Similar legends... Gilgemesh and wahtnot.... from culture all around the world... The Aztecs..or one of the Cetral american/South Amer. culttures refer to "Bearded White Men" who came from the East across the sea on ships whith no sails...

**** my g/f is getting pissed..

LAter.