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#1 May 28 2004 at 7:55 AM Rating: Default
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**Changed my mind about posting this. It was just a silly rant over some opinions I had**

Edited, Fri May 28 09:20:45 2004 by Mirly
#2 May 28 2004 at 8:09 AM Rating: Decent
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heh,

just tale into account that up to 25-30 years ago, you could have been drafted to VietNam... We are at the zenith of comfort here compared to other countries.... I think like All Europeon countries have that mandatory 2 years... We are just spoiled at this point... never having any crazy great wars....

"Our Great War is a spiritual War, our Great Depression... is our lives"

Things won't stay like this.... they never do... we all want to isolate ourselves from the worlds problems... pretend that we are each our own country, isolated from the politics and scandals...

This is the World trying to suck you into it... Just be glad that our battle tactics are alittle different now then they were in WWII or VietNam.. which was to throw as many guys against the enemy until they surrender... no matter waht.... Now more and more and more people watch waht's going on.. and don't put up with sh*t like they used to.... because.. well.. there's just more people... eventually somthing will get done..
Until that Utopia arrives.... well.... It's your job to stay alive long enough to teach your children that war isn't the way.... and that greed isn't the way.......or the alternative, that the point of your life was to serve as a warning to others.

You shouldn't hate America.
That is just the vessel for the brew that you find so bitter...
But you are one of the ingredients too my brother/or sister..
Saying that you hate America is a @#%^ing cop-out if you ask me... It's taking a bunch of human problems and throwing them into one lump...
WELL if you have 10 puzzles to put together, 'twould be unwise to throw all the pieces into one box, just so it feels like one puzzle...

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#3 May 28 2004 at 8:12 AM Rating: Decent
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I think you should do a little more research on that bill your friend mentioned before you decide to get all worked up about it. The "Universal National Service Act" has been dead on the floor since January of last year.
#4 May 28 2004 at 8:27 AM Rating: Decent
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ahh.. you're no fun....

I'm am very tempted to Copy your post out of my IE cache and post it... ^^ lol
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#5 May 28 2004 at 8:42 AM Rating: Default
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Just be glad that our battle tactics are alittle differnet now then they were in WWII or VietNam.. which was to throw as many guys against the enemy until they surrender... no matter waht....



I'm pretty sure this is the most ignorant statement I've read on these boards.

#6 May 28 2004 at 8:49 AM Rating: Decent
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oh Please..

Waht was the casualty rate for those wars?

Waht were the casualty rate during our last 2?

Think about it.... think about D-Day.. Iwojima... How many people did we slam up against "fortress Europe"?.. non stop bombarding it with our troops intil it fianlly cracked.....

ignorant? pshhh.... are you a veteran or somthing?. I'm not trying to put down U.S. battle tactics.... jsut pointing ou he diffence between then and now... ignorant.. bollocks
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Erm, that has more to do with two things:
(a) Technology allows us to hit targets with reasonable accuracy from far out of range
(b) The last two wars have been us against a country with a laughable military compared to our own. Especially technologically when we are using cruise missiles and stealth bombers to do most of the inital dirty work. Do you think that if we were to go to war with China (conventional, of course, not nuclear) we'd suffer the same low casualty rate?

I suppose if you meant the new battle doctrine is to only attack small countries we have a twenty-five year technological lead on, you have a point Smiley: grin

Edited, Fri May 28 10:10:59 2004 by Jophiel
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Joph is quite correct. It has to do with OVERWHELMING technical superiority more than tactical brilliance, although tactics have certainly evolved to meet the technology.

Our advantage in stand off tactical weaponry is simply astounding. That, more than anything is why you'll see kill to casualty ratios approaching 1000+/1 in modern engagements involving the US. Prior to Korea you had an essentially level playing field in terms of technology and you could make a convincing argument that we were actually behind Nazi Germany by a good deal at the start of WW2.

Were we to enter an engagement with a foe with simmilar technical capabilities today, strategic weaponry would come into play, essentially guaranteeing that we'll never again be in such a situation. Unless we decide to invade France or something I guess.

Edited, Fri May 28 10:27:17 2004 by Smasharoo
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oh Please..

Waht was the casualty rate for those wars?

Waht were the casualty rate during our last 2?

Think about it.... think about D-Day.. Iwojima... How many people did we slam up against "fortress Europe"?.. non stop bombarding it with our troops intil it fianlly cracked.....

ignorant? pshhh.... are you a veteran or somthing?. I'm not trying to put down U.S. battle tactics.... jsut pointing ou he diffence between then and now... ignorant.. bollocks



You are so completely wrong I can't even begin to quantify it. The United States from WW2 until now, has gone to greater lengths, and spent more money to prevent the deaths of their soldiers and reduce combat casualties (their own mind you, not the other guys), than any nation on earth. They never simply slam people up against any objective until it cracked. The Russians did, the Chinese did, the Japaneses did. We didn't.

And yes, I am a veteran, but more importantly as far as this thread is concerned, I'm a military history buff. I can only guess that you have never bothered to crack a history book or even watch the history channel if you think that the US military doctrine was to ever "to throw as many guys against the enemy until they surrender... no matter waht".
#10 May 28 2004 at 2:24 PM Rating: Good
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I can only guess that you have never bothered to crack a history book or even watch the history channel if you think that the US military doctrine was to ever "to throw as many guys against the enemy until they surrender... no matter waht".

Yeah, 'cuz Johnson sent those hundreds of thousands of troops to Vietnam as advisors. They never got sent up a hill time after time after time just to proove a point.
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The United States from WW2 until now, has gone to greater lengths, and spent more money to prevent the deaths of their soldiers and reduce combat casualties (their own mind you, not the other guys), than any nation on earth.


OK, so it was more organized chaos, but chaos nonetheless.

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And yes, I am a veteran, but more importantly as far as this thread is concerned, I'm a military history buff. I can only guess that you have never bothered to crack a history book or even watch the history channel if you think that the US military doctrine was to ever "to throw as many guys against the enemy until they surrender... no matter waht".

Ever? Being a history buff you should have studied the Civil War, yes? You’d be familiar with a General Grant and his strategy for success in the war? I struggle to see how it appreciably differs from “throw as many men as necessary at the enemy until they surrender.”


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Oh Mirly,
You just got gang banged by the best and brightest. ahehhe. BAM! Don't take it personally, and put the original post back up please I wanna see what they are venting about now ahehae.
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Unless we decide to invade France or something I guess.


My god dont scare me, the thought of being stuck with France is a horror to great for me to imagine it would be like quagmire that Iraq is right now but with French people /blech.

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#15 Jun 01 2004 at 5:57 PM Rating: Default
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Ever?


The discussion was specifically about WW2 and after.


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Yeah, 'cuz Johnson sent those hundreds of thousands of troops to Vietnam as advisors. They never got sent up a hill time after time after time just to proove a point.


It was a pointless war, but the troops were well supported by massive, hmm... make that... gargantuan amounts of artillery and air. But your example does prove the old adage that the only way to remove a well dug-in defender is with infantry.

Edited, Tue Jun 1 18:58:09 2004 by Deathwysh
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Erm, that has more to do with two things:
(a) Technology allows us to hit targets with reasonable accuracy from far out of range
(b) The last two wars have been us against a country with a laughable military compared to our own. Especially technologically when we are using cruise missiles and stealth bombers to do most of the inital dirty work. Do you think that if we were to go to war with China (conventional, of course, not nuclear) we'd suffer the same low casualty rate?


Thank you Jop! Glad someone is thinking critically. UP
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I just don't like the US' Roman way of thinking... you know, that they're better than everyone else and if anyone wants to step up, they can try but we'll go to war (more or less the point bush stated and is? putting in action). I'm not the sharpest on whats going on, but I have some facts... some opinions... and more hear-say from the media. However, according to the events of 9/11, America has been at "war" with terrorists. Yet I see no further attacks or even feebled attempts at an attack. I have heard "reports" yet see nothing. I think the US has been in a hightened state of alert ever since. The medias constantly comes up with new potential terrorist threats every month.

Only thing I see going on is we went in to extract a power hungry dictator that had cruel and unusual punishment for his citizens (mind you, our president is all for capitol punishment in Texas). After we extract the dictator, we're still there. Originally it was to "help" Iraq setup a government. But we're at war... ok, I understand Sadam more than likely had loyals that are rallying up now. We saw this in Veitnam and we saw it again in Somalia in 94.

Unfortunately, our administration doesn't learn from history, they instead try to improve on it. History shows us that any feats as what Bush is now trying to accomplish have been foiled by other nations. Rather than seeing it as a failure from the beginning, they are trying the same plan with revised points in hopes it will work. Meanwhile, the world rally's against us. :(... I'm starting to wonder if the Aztec's and Mayan's ended their calander's on 12-12-2012 intentionally or if they were actually extinct and thus their calander stopped.

EDIT: Oh, in short... I dislike US' "We're better than anyone and can do what we want." type of attitude... I mean, I see the same thing on day time TV with 13 and 14 yr olds being sent to a "boot camp". Who's gunna send Bush and his administration to "boot camp"?

Edited, Tue Jun 1 19:58:47 2004 by ElvaanKrem
#18 Jun 03 2004 at 4:10 PM Rating: Decent
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We're still number 1 for a reason.
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yup

No1 hated nation

No1 for pollution

No1 for increasing third world debt

No1 for arming potentially terrorist states

No1 for pointless obscure games that the rest of the world have no interest in

No1 for gun crime

No1 for hostile corporate takeovers

No1 for subduing local culture

No1 for invading soverien countries for oil

still you not all that bad if you look past the bad points.

God bless America.
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#20 Jun 04 2004 at 7:27 AM Rating: Decent
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Hey now, you Brits started it, wich yer damn "colonies"...

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#21 Jun 04 2004 at 10:35 AM Rating: Good
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God bless America.

Ok, hold on a minute Rub a Dub Dub.
I realize that since losing damn near all of it's world colonies, (1)Great Britain has seen its world image improve, but (2)when did London become an easy city to breath in? And granted, (3)the East India Trading Company hasn't stolen the wealth of a sovereign country in decades, but we are only furthering a practice we learned from the masters. Seeing as, for all intents and purposes, the US is the rest of the world, one would have to say that your (4)fanatical interest in soccer is a tie if not slightly ahead of us for pointless games. Then again, like the Romans, we know how to keep the masses stupified. (5)Guns I will have to cop to. We like our firearms. Damn the liberal hippies that want to take them. Personally, I was unaware that there were (6)actual autonomous companies in the rest of the world. Except Japan of course, but who are we kidding? We pretty much own them too. It was an even exchange. We bought their companies, they got our land. The final two are definitely the most rich. While we may currently hold the top spot, (7)it is largely because the cultures of other countries are sh1t that we trample them, and in any case we were again taught by the masters. Or did you forget the spread of the Queen's class system to third world enclaves all over the planet? Caribean children in knickers and ties? WTF!?!? lol And finally, (8) while, once again, the Queen hasn't the power, or the stones, to do it anymore, I believe your people (BP anyone?) were the ones that benefitted most from Iraq being arbitrarily created by the Brits, eh?

While the list is long, our current actions are no different from any other empire's. If it was really that bad, would we have as many imigrants and refugees flooding the border every year? We are truly the greatest nation in the world. It is evidenced by the company who chooses to stick with us. Thank, GB.

God save the queen.
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Wow I actually enjoyed reading something by Moebius. I believe thats a first.Smiley: grin
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Wow I actually enjoyed reading something by Moebius. I believe thats a first.
You kidding me? Moe is the single best reason for reading these boards.

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I'm very thankfull that the brave UK, Canadian and US soldiers gave their lives to liberate Europe. But you guys tend to forget that some European nations actually helped the US too when they were at war with England.
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But you guys tend to forget that some European nations actually helped the US too when they were at war with England.

I personally feel a bit of endebtedness to the assistance of the French during the American Revolution. Without their help we would still be speaking English...

It was a bit different though. In the American Revolution we were engaged in a war that we were active participants in. In World War II, the French were engaged in an occupation for which they actively signed up (as indicated by the en mass dropping of rifles and raising of arms as the Germans rolled across the border).

Now the French are so pissed about being a marginalized people that they are, and will continue, doing everything in their limited power to reinsert themselves on to the global power stage. It is laughable, and someone should let them take it up the shoot once more to remind them of their place.
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#27 Jun 11 2004 at 1:43 PM Rating: Default
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got any statistics to back up the blind hatred, tarv of the seven seas? love us, hate us, can't ignore us. they'll be studying american culture for centuries to come (see roman empire).
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got any statistics to back up the blind hatred, tarv of the seven seas? love us, hate us, can't ignore us. they'll be studying american culture for centuries to come (see roman empire).
Who said anything about hating America?

I love America but i am also not blind to the effect that they have on the rest of the world.

Neither would you only the American Media conveniently ignore anything that show your great country in a bad light.
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#30 Jun 12 2004 at 11:12 AM Rating: Default
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you're a walking cliche tarv. at least come up with an original argument as to why you bitch about america.
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well, i'd say a majority of Americans don't have a clue about a Good percentage of waht we do 'o'er seas'.
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#32 Jun 12 2004 at 11:47 AM Rating: Decent
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Think about it.... think about D-Day.. Iwojima... How many people did we slam up against "fortress Europe"?.. non stop bombarding it with our troops intil it fianlly cracked.....


Nothing to do with the fact that you fought armies those tims, and this time you are fighting militia with AKs, RPGs and thats about it.
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#33 Jun 12 2004 at 12:28 PM Rating: Decent
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you're a walking cliche tarv. at least come up with an original argument as to why you bitch about america.
Truth hurt Matrimm? not want to know about the faults in your great nation?

I understand that people have pride in thier country, why shouldn't they every country in the world has things to be proud of, America more than most.

I Like America and would love to visit again, i think the majority of Americans although brash and somewhat blinkered to the way people in the rest world see them , are nice, honest, hard working and generous.

I also think that America has in some of it's endevours brought great help to other nations.

America also has screwed the third world, the WTO is nothing more than a American lead bullying committee to keep the third world in the third world, the massive subsidies on American farming <i don't point the fingue purely at america here btw Britain is also resoncible> do nothing more than prevent an even playing field and stop third world countries paying of exsisting debt to the world bank.

Take off your blinkers look around and you will see that Americas self interest does effect the countries around the world and the whole 'screw you' attitude makes people dislike America.
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#34 Jun 12 2004 at 12:34 PM Rating: Decent
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every country in the world has things to be proud of, America more than most.


and heres me thinking brown nosing was above you tarv

edited to add: you may be right but my point is that you didnt say anything of the sort before the comment you are replying to

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edited to add: you may be right but my point is that you didnt say anything of the sort before the comment you are replying to
I have never hidden the fact i like America or Americans, ask Moe other than gentle ribbing i am pretty Pro America 99% of the time.

I just wish they would read some newspapers from around the world for a change to see what people think. It might be an eye opener.
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