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#27 May 26 2004 at 3:58 PM Rating: Default
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As with any decisive leader, holding a strong opinion or position immediately polarizes the constituancy into two or more camps. And considering Bush is likely the most decisive of the last three presidents that we have had, it strikes us in one of two ways: either you admire him or you detest him. If he were a middle of the road sort of person, there'd be grumblings, sure, but the reaction from the general populace would be largely neutral. As it is, he brings out strong emotions in people for good or evil, one way or the other.

No one minds decisiveness. Stubborness is something alltogether diffrent. Bush isn't particularly decisive. He's caved to pressure from both the right and left, dozens, possibly hundreds of times. What he's done is shown an inability to ever correct a mistake. In point of fact, to ever admit to a mistake.

No one's ever responsible for ANYTHING in the Bush administration. No matter how badly a decision turns out, he will never admit to an error, or more importantly show the flexibility to correct a problem.

Everything's fine in Iraq, it's going perfectly, it's been run perfectly, it's all accordinng to plan the US is safer because of it, the world is safer because of it, it's wonderful.

It's the same with any issue you name. Loss of jobs is great. It's not the administrations responsibility. It'll fix itself if we just cut taxes on the ultra rich as much as we can.

Our relationship with other nations is great. Everything's fine.

Blah blah blah.

That's not the same as decisiveness at all.
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#28 May 26 2004 at 4:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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I didn't join the picket line, but I'm not a scab either-- I just am compelled to be a beacon of light in this benighted land, a lighthouse to guide the storm tossed wanderer in the rough liberal waters. Mine is the safe harbor of conservatism, a welcome respite for the over taxed and weary federally mandated citizen.

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#29 May 26 2004 at 4:09 PM Rating: Default
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Mine is the safe harbor of conservatism, a welcome respite for the over taxed and weary federally mandated citizen

Hey, who paid for you to learn to fly helicopters again?

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#30 May 26 2004 at 4:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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I can see where you could see Bush as being stubborn rather than decisive. I can also agree with you that on many issues he reversed course-- much to my displeasure. But I'd also point out that politics is all about the art of compromise and that a half a loaf of bread is better than none. And Bush is a politician, through and through. Yet the decisiveness I spoke of is exactly what people admired about him immediately after 9/11, it was what garnered him massive support when he made it clear we were going to invade Iraq, and it was what has earned him the ire of every person who disagreed with him on any particular hotbutton issue they hold dear.

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#31 May 26 2004 at 4:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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Unca' Sam taught me and I paid him back with a war and two decades of safe flying. I'd say we're even.

:D

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#32 May 26 2004 at 4:13 PM Rating: Default
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What was he decisive about? He waited WEEKS to take action in Afganistan. On 9-11 he flew around in hiding all day.

Did you mean cowardice?
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#33 May 26 2004 at 4:17 PM Rating: Default
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Unca' Sam taught me and I paid him back with a war and two decades of safe flying. I'd say we're even.

So, just to clarify, the money of the poor, overtaxed citizenry was spent to teach you how to fly around in helicopters AND to pay your salary AND to sned you to school.

Just checkin. I figure you've probably sucked out a good $1,000,000 of tax dollars out of the system. Where's my recipt!
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#34 May 26 2004 at 5:15 PM Rating: Default
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Seriously, it's like a tree-huggin' convention in here. Damn hippies.

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You seem to be under the impression that some people that hate Bush aren't Chainsaw-wielding, cokesnorting, asskicking hipsters.

Well, let me disabuse of that notion.

I'm a leftie that WILL CURB you.

Eb

#35 May 26 2004 at 7:08 PM Rating: Decent
OK, Take some time here, for all you Bush followers:

www.costofwar.com

Look at the OUTRAGEOUS prices of war, and instead what that money could of been used for!

I hate GWB. He thinks he's god... Might as well call him Jesus W. Christ
#36 May 26 2004 at 7:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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Actually, my education cost you approximately $1.5 million in 1984 dollars, to which you'd have to add another $500,000 for AH-1 qual-school two years later.

All that is was made moot when I stepped out onto the battlefield in '91, where my fearsome presence undoubtedly caused Saddam's minions to quake in terror and flee Kuwaite City with urine streaming down their legs.

I figure it was a wash. (The cost of my education, not the pee leaving their bladders).

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#37 May 26 2004 at 8:07 PM Rating: Good
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He thinks he's god... Might as well call him Jesus W. Christ



Jesus christ never once called himself the Son of God.


Thread hijack!

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#38 May 26 2004 at 8:14 PM Rating: Decent
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http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?language=English&version=NIV&passage=John+3

The Apostle John disagrees with you. But, hey, what would he know?
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#39 May 26 2004 at 8:34 PM Rating: Decent
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For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[6] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.



Ok, ok, so he implies it. But hey, he doesn't actually say "I am the Son of God"


...I blame it on faulty translations.
#40 May 26 2004 at 8:37 PM Rating: Decent
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Jesus christ never once called himself the Son of God.

Didn't say he was the son of god! Guess i was saying...Jesus is god:S
#41 May 26 2004 at 8:56 PM Rating: Default
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Remember that nutty guy with the rainbow wig who kidnapped someone and went to jail, but was at EVEVRY sporting evevnt in the 80's?

That sign he held up is that verse. All the whackos know Christ thought he was the sone of god.
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#42 May 27 2004 at 12:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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"Why do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said 'I am God's Son'?"
John 10:36b (NIV)

Edited, Thu May 27 01:55:09 2004 by Jophiel
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#43 May 27 2004 at 7:08 AM Rating: Good
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OK, Take some time here, for all you Bush followers:

www.costofwar.com


That website does NOTHING but "Bush-bash". Some of those figures are probably exaggerated. Quit your bellyaching and remember: we are not in the 60's or 70's anymore.
#44 May 27 2004 at 10:07 AM Rating: Default
Another reason I don't like bush is he was in a frat that branded people. I hate frat boys, especially frats that do sheep herding tactics as branding people.
#45 May 27 2004 at 10:10 AM Rating: Default
Wait Micheal Moore why you flip flopping? I could've swron you were for kyoto.

P.S. Can't wait to D/L your new film.

Edited, Thu May 27 11:12:12 2004 by modernbard
#46 May 27 2004 at 12:32 PM Rating: Default
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Some of those figures are probably exaggerated.


This is the kind of fact checking that has made the Conservative media so respected.

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#47 May 28 2004 at 7:06 PM Rating: Decent
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No. They see pictures of US soldiers posing Irai prisoners in embarassing positions. I haven't actually seen a photo yet showing actual torture


According to the Geneva covention humiliation is a form of illegal torture. The only torture allowed is by sleep deprivation and stress.
#48 May 28 2004 at 11:04 PM Rating: Good
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No. They see pictures of US soldiers posing Irai prisoners in embarassing positions. I haven't actually seen a photo yet showing actual torture


According to the Geneva covention humiliation is a form of illegal torture. The only torture allowed is by sleep deprivation and stress.


Well. If it's written in the Geneva Convention, I'm sure you wont have a problem actually maybe providing the passage where that bit is outlined, including a link to your source?

Oh. And dont forget that there are two different sections dealing with the treatment of prisoners in an occupied territory. But since you are an expert, you already knew that, right?

Anyone can repeat something they heard, or they think is true. I'm just curious about actual facts here. Is that too much to ask for?
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#49 May 28 2004 at 11:29 PM Rating: Decent
Since you want someone to hold your hand you can try here.
http://www.genevaconventions.org/

In artcle 3 of convention III it states

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Art. 3. In the case of armed conflict not of an international character occurring in the territory of one of the High Contracting Parties, each Party to the conflict shall be bound to apply, as a minimum, the following provisions: (1) Persons taking no active part in the hostilities, including members of armed forces who have laid down their arms and those placed hors de combat by sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause, shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, without any adverse distinction founded on race, colour, religion or faith, sex, birth or wealth, or any other similar criteria. To this end the following acts are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever with respect to the above-mentioned persons: (a) violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture; (b) taking of hostages; (c) outrages upon personal dignity, in particular, humiliating and degrading treatment; (d) the passing of sentences and the carrying out of executions without previous judgment pronounced by a regularly constituted court affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples. (2) The wounded and sick shall be collected and cared for. An impartial humanitarian body, such as the International Committee of the Red Cross, may offer its services to the Parties to the conflict.


In Convention IV on the treatment of civilians which would apply to some of the prisoners it states.

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(1) Persons taking no active part in the hostilities, including members of armed forces who have laid down their arms and those placed hors de combat by sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause, shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, without any adverse distinction founded on race, colour, religion or faith, sex, birth or wealth, or any other similar criteria.

To this end the following acts are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever with respect to the above-mentioned persons: (a) violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture; (b) taking of hostages; (c) outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment; (d) the passing of sentences and the carrying out of executions without previous judgment pronounced by a regularly constituted court, affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples.




Edited, Sat May 29 00:38:06 2004 by dirges
#50 May 28 2004 at 11:41 PM Rating: Default
ya gbaji is real quick to demand proof then to provide nothing but rhetoric to defend himself.
#51 May 29 2004 at 6:21 PM Rating: Decent
omg this tread is wild... you people are so smart...
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