Are the Atheists or the Religious a bunch o' fools?Follow

Yes, I have heard of it, and no, that isn't what it says. In fact, you are probably thinking of some garbled version of the Heisenberg Principle.

Do you think scientists aren't aware of these effects? Do you think we don't construct elaborate controls to make sure these things are eliminated, or at least minimized? If you think the homing experiments are wrong (and if you succeed in finding something wrong with them, you'll be famous- they have stood the test of time) you are going to have to be mighty specific. Make reference to the actual methods, please. No hand-waving allowed.

Very nice that you posted these things about magnetic orientation in animals. It's been well known for at least 40 years. And so what? Again, no hocus-pocus mumbo jumobo New Age junk is required to explain this. This stuff was in my first-year biology text (by William Keeton, btw, of Cornell, who pioneered work on homing in birds). The problem is that magnetic orientation is even less precise than stellar orientation. Blinded pigeons that are tracked can get to within a hundred miles of their home point, but not much better. Pigeons with Helmholtz coils attached to their heads (which blank out the magnetic field) do just fine.

Congratulations of the pineal gland btw. But what makes you think it's a third eye? The pineal secretes melatonin, which regulates your sleep cycles. It also influences biorythms, and might play a role in timing of menstrual cycles. To do this it has to collect information on light/dark cycles, true, but so what? Why make it sound oooooohhhh mysterious? I ask again- so what? These are not completely understood, but there's nothing mystical about physiology.

Not to dimish whatever your posted point was, but what's the point of this quote? It is ridiculous to expect a migrating bird to look up at a planetarium and figure out which way to fly. If you release a homing pidgeon OUTSIDE, they fly in a circle until they get their bearings. Did these migrating birds fly around the planetarium and then crash into the east wall? Unless the planetrium was as big as a football stadium I don't see how you could get any data much less valid data. Sorry to get off topic but this quote smacks of something you made up or heard as urban legend. I would love to be on the reviewing committe of the guy who submitted that grant. "Ah yes, well, professor, we intend to take the mi-grate-ory birds, tie coconuts to their feet, then release them in a planetarium with the sky slighty askew from normal you see..."

The point you do make is valid. The fact that we OBSERVE an experiment does in fact, effect the outcome.

Now what was the experiment? If God is all powerful, can he create a rock so big that even HE cant lift it?
Now there's a circular argument...

I personally think the guy (some say John) who wrote Revelations just stumbled on some really good drugs. Seeing as how they were no longer observing kosher and trying all those new foods and all. Must have got some bad blowfish, or some psylocibin...

Belive me!

Christ never mentions hell.

I've got nothing to do here at work so I'm pretty bored.You see the amusing irony here, don't you?I'm not calling you names. I'm making a reference to your mental stability. People who believe in imaginary beings are generally considered delusional.I'm sorry but you're mistaken again. I don't hate to hear it. Your interpretation of another person's interpretation of someone else's interpretation of what was probably passed on through oral tradition for a few generations and finally written down about what some imaginary being said is pretty irrelevant to me.That is so cute!

And have a

They are in denial by velieving that waht they 'know' is solid. Imagin pouring a glass of water on the floor, measureing it's splatter down to a quantum level, and calling that the "Spill Science" and saying that it will do taht everytime.
Sure they minimize the effects... but to waht level do they really have the powers with their man mad tools, to try to control such a force.

/waves hand
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/slaps own hand away



And on Christ..
he never mentioned 90% ofthe crap that are Man made religions feed to the masses, but he realized we'd ***** it up just like GOd must have realized we'd eat the fruit.

Kelvyquayo!?!?!? Wat did ye just say!?!?!?

Bullshiit!?!?!?

Is dat a NEW Christian term now! Don't talk yer BS christian crap to me anymore, hippocrit!
Until then, ye had me respect as human with a belief, not now piece of shiit.

And niether do have yer GOD's respect ither, yer heaping coals upon yer own head, and yer GOD is about to strke ye, ye whitewash wall!

Go read on that one... just dont lookit up on some christian website as ye and Joipeel (watever his name be) have been doing.

It's funny how christians ASSUMES that no one else has studied theology! :)


Edited, Fri May 14 17:15:21 2004 by singforu

It's really conceited to believe that about 90 percent of the world is delusional just because they believe in a higher power. And you say God is imaginary, I say prove it. Tell me how you know God doesn't exist. Stop insulting others and tell me what you believe.

As for the Kelvyquayo, I don't think they are Christian, just look at they're previous post.

I believe the person who posted the statement about this clearly stated according to the Catholic belief system, which is, by the way, considered a christian religion. They were correct.

According to the catholic religion, no baptism = no heaven for joo!

That whole "prove god doesn't exist" argument was covered in length in this thread:
That other thread

As to what I believe, I thought I'd been clear about that. Sorry for the confusion. I believe there is no god or higher power (by any name), no heaven and no hell. I believe we are self determined. I believe people should stop wringing their hands waiting for god to sort things out and get down to the business of making this world a better place to live NOW. I believe we alone are responsible for the well being of the human race and to this planet, and everything that lives on it.

I believe a lot of things, but I think this list is enough to answer your question.It does sound like conceit on the surface, doesn't it? It really isn't. I simply can't pretend to believe a lie, even if it puts me at odds with 90% of the people on this planet.

Turn it around. Let's assume for argument's sake that 90% of the population is atheist. Do you abandon your beliefs? Why not? How very conceited of you!

Let me warn you ahead of time: this is my professional field of expertise. I don't make up science.

"In a long series of experiments with Indigo Buntings in a planetarium, Stephen T. Emlen of Cornell University has shown that at the time of fall migration the birds will orient in a direction that is south according to the stars, whether it is true south or not- a conclusive demonstration that they can orient by the stars."

Taken from Keeton, W. Biological Science, 3rd Ed. There is also a summary work by Emlen in the Aug 1975 Scientific American.

The idea of the original post was to dispel any idea there was something mystical in animals being able to tell which way was north, and it did so adequately. As I said to the OP, if you want to critique the work, feel free. Just be specific. It doesn't count to just wave your hands and say "Urban legend". The published works say otherwise.

I belive Big bang is the most likely happening...why?
Well first of all, its nearly 100% proven to be true, there IS a prove that dinosaurs existed...are those mentioned in the bible?
Also, if the dinosaurs were before the first humans? where does Adam and Eve come in? Its also VERY likely that we are relevates of the Apes, we have same body structure, same head shape(just more evolved)we have a clearly proof that we had tail(the lill spinal tap above our @sses)If you see how apes lives, you can see they are like degenerated humans, we still have some instincts from animals.
We practically are the same, except they develop hunting and survival skills, while we develop a larger and more advanced brain... Besides, we are nothing but animals in my eyes, we are all equally worth... my opinion!

(and IF anyone try that burning bush miracle, I can say that in the more heatened countries, in the east, south etc. It exists bushes that are so dry that they start to burn even by the smallest ignite!)

actually im not catholic. i dont know what i be considered as. i go to a Church of God, which is supposed to be non-denominational. I dont really know anything about Catholic beliefs but the bible says that baptism is a public display that u love Jesus and that u are part of God's family. it is not required but reccomended. wait now that i think about it, dont catholics think that ur once saved, always saved? correct me if im wrong. :) :)