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#27 May 11 2004 at 8:52 AM Rating: Good
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Kelvyquayo the Malevolent wrote:
good answer Kiatrix.

but the real answer is 42.
although I don't think that was the real question..


Thanks. I spend days just thinking of how to answer questions like that. ;)

I love those books, by the way. Have you read Starship Titanic by the same author?
#28 May 11 2004 at 8:57 AM Rating: Decent
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hha, no havn't read it... though I here a full length movie is being made on the series. Hope they don't ruin it.

"...Man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much... the wheel, New York,
wars, and so on, whilst all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely the dolphins believed themselves to be more intelligent than man for
precisely the same reasons."
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#30 May 11 2004 at 9:31 AM Rating: Decent
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"Choose Life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a ******* big television, choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol, and dental insurance. Choose fixed interest mortage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisurewear and matching luggage. Choose a three-piece suite on hire purchase in a range of ******* fabrics. Choose DIY and wondering who the **** you are on a Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing ******* junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pishing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, ****** up brats you spawned to replace yourself.

Choose your future.

Choose life."



Edited, Tue May 11 10:32:34 2004 by Kelvyquayo
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#31 May 11 2004 at 10:17 AM Rating: Good
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Choose life.
Choose a career. (Which is not a job)
Choose a dream.
Follow your dream.
Choose happiness.
Follow happiness.

If things are not working out for you, do not be afraid of change.

Just because I have a big television and lots of fun little gadgets doesn't mean that I'm a bad person, nor does it mean that I will one day have brats who have no concept of the best way to live. I have a big television because I enjoy watching movies, and because my career gives me the money for it, I can buy it and enjoy it.

I choose to spend my money on things that I enjoy. I'm lucky enough to have a career that will allow me to do so.

I choose good health because I do not like being unhealthy. What is the joy of taking your happy wagging-tail dogs to the park if you're too out of shape to play with them?

I choose to take care of my body because it is the receptacle of everything I am and until I die, it is the only thing I have to do the things I want to do with.

I choose to look good by buying clothing that look nice on me because I enjoy myself and dressing nice makes me enjoy myself more. I was given this body, I work to maintain this body, I am proud of my body. So I express that.

I choose to buy good fabrics and foods because it enhances my enjoyment of life. I can get buy on burlap and cheap food if I had to, but I don't have to. So why should I?

My career is something I enjoy doing, I enjoy waking up to. I am lucky enough to have a career that will support the other things in my life that I enjoy right now. However, if my career did not support those things, undoubtedly I would find other things that I enjoy and do those instead. I enjoy taking my dogs on a walk. That's free. I enjoy going for walks. Those are also free. I enjoy swimming. I know where there's a lake and no one is going to charge me to swim there. I enjoy writing. I can spend $1 and buy myself 200 pages of paper, and 25c to buy myself a pencil.

It isn't about money. I don't work for money. I work for what I believe in. A side effect of my work is the money and I spend that however I want to. Some of that will be spent furthering the things I believe in, such as spay/neuter programs for pets, animal shelters, and funds to allow people who can't pay for their pets problems to be fixed to be fixed, other portions of that money will be spent on my family, friends, and myself.

Not everyone can have a career. Which is exceptionally sad to me. They may be fine with that, and they may be happy doing what they are doing, because to them, it isn't what they are doing that is important, it is what they can then do with that money. If it is to buy themselves a big TV to watch reality TV shows on, and that is what makes them happy - who are you to tell them that it's wrong? It is wrong for you. But they aren't you. They're themselves.

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But back to immortality - stem cells still can't do everything. There are some things that the stem cells we get we simply cannot make them do. So people will still die of things other than age. In fact, the longer we as a people live, the more likely we are to die of cancer, degenerative diseases that were not known before, and accidents.

So, some people, yes, may well be as close to immortal as to make no difference. But I still think most people will not be. And then you get to the problem... what do you do, when you're immortal and everyone around you is dying? All that sorrow, for so long? Won't there come a day when you want to die also, because you're just... too lonely? Some people, no. Some people, yes.
#32 May 11 2004 at 11:31 AM Rating: Decent
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Kiatrix,

i am refreshed by your post as return from napping in my 2004 Sunfire in the 7-11 parking lot after consuming several Taquitos, a Red Bull, and 2 Ecederin,(others un-mentioned), while on hour break from my job as a "Manager of Information Systems". When I get home in 5 hours I hope to play as much Final Fantasy as posible, but only before taking out my mother, visiting some friends, and taking out my girlfriend....

PLease forgive me.. i'm still in a sleep-like state i think.... But as you can see.... I also live and love life. I play the game, and somtimes it's a struggle.. but I jsut have to remember that it is all a fraction of a bigger picture. Staying positive is the key.

I mean no insult to people by my ultra-anacronist themed posts... Though I do believe in waht I type, I am aware of the futility..... waht I try to describe is the paradisical utopia.... Most of the troubles taht we have today are caused by the very things taht we strive for.... the whole time realizing that what we need was there the whole time... But as I said, we must play the game.

Stem Cells and cloning... I don't really care about that stuff... we're trying to deafeat death.... well waht's wrong with death... in my point of view it is merely a metamorphosus into somthing greater.... whether you beleive in Heavan, or Returning to the 'Mothership' in Pleades, or Awwyn, or Valhalla, or the ****, or wahtever..... I just see trying to stop evoloution.

But the world has grown how it has grown and we are placed here to take part in it for wahtever purpose.... we much each do our part and learn our lesssons and grow from it. When our sould grow enough they can break free from the bounds of this Realm and go to either Nirvana, Oblivion, or the Endless Cycles of Being.... i don't know which one.....

****.. i need to get to work.... pyramid building is tedious ****!
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#33 May 11 2004 at 1:08 PM Rating: Decent
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Ya'know....with all this chat of relegion, in a scientific thread no less, I cant help but think of this...

A philosophy professor stood before his class with some items in front of him.

When the class began, he picked up a large empty jar and proceeded to fill it with rocks that were about 2" in diameter. He then asked the students if the jar was full. They agreed that it was.

So the professor then picked up a box of pebbles and poured them into the jar. He shook the jar lightly. The pebbles rolled into the open areas between the rocks. He then asked the students again if the jar was full. They agreed it was.

The professor picked up a box of sand and poured it into the jar. The sand filled up everything else. "Now," said the professor, "I want you to recognize that this is your life. The rocks are the important things - your family, your partner, your health, your children - things that if everything else was lost and only they remained, your life would still be full. The pebbles are the other things that matter like your job, your house, your car. The sand is everything else, the small stuff. If you put the sand into the jar first, there is no room for the pebbles or the rocks. The same goes for your life. If you spend all your time and energy on the small stuff, you will never have room for the things that are important to you. Pay attention to the things that are critical to your happiness. Play with your children. Take time to get medical check-ups. Take your partner out dancing. There will always be time to go to work, clean the house, give a dinner party and fix the disposal. Take care of the rocks first - the things that really matter. Set your priorities. The rest is just sand."

But then a student took the jar which the other students and the professor agreed was full, and proceeded to pour in a glass of beer. Of course the beer filled the remaining spaces within the jar making the jar truly full.

The moral of this tale is: no matter how full your life is, there is always room for beer!
#34 May 12 2004 at 10:49 AM Rating: Decent
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My god ppl! lol Dont mess with nature, except cloning, thats cool lol!
Anyways, I think messing with nature, will make it mess with us, will not be too long till the cities either are invaded by evil human clones, zombies or just enraged giant carnivoroius creatures ^^...or maybe the future wont be so bad?I say; LEARN FROM OLD SCI-FI MOVIES, IN THE FUTURE THE ROBOTS WILL TAKE OVER!!! MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
#35 May 13 2004 at 11:37 AM Rating: Good
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Eyap wrote:
I say; LEARN FROM OLD SCI-FI MOVIES, IN THE FUTURE THE ROBOTS WILL TAKE OVER!!! MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


Except most old sci-fi movies had giant insects, which are really, virtually impossible, unless you're talking ancient insects, which likely were able to survive because of atmospheric factors that are missing today. :)

Long discussion on mass:size ratios and the limitations of exoskeletons, but let's not get into it. ;)
#36 May 13 2004 at 11:53 AM Rating: Decent
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The Bible says:

"The god of this world (Satan) has blinded their eyes to the truth".

Jesus said that.

All of you lash out at God and people who believe in and follow Him because you don't know the truth. But it isn't your fault that you don't know the truth. It is the Christian's job to tell you the Good News. Your flesh will fight every inkling of God and Jesus. That is why so many anti-Christian posts are angry and violent. You need to accept Jesus people. Seriously. You can make fun and flame and mock until the day you die, but on that day there will be some reckoning. Don't wait.

How do I know there is a God, Jesus, heaven, hell, etc.? Because I believe the Word of God. I don't need to prove it. For example, I know I am a man. Whether or not you believe it makes no difference, I know it and it's true.

Lay down your angry walls and let God do something in your life.
#37 May 13 2004 at 3:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Quote:
The Bible says:



The Bible says.... the bible says.... the bile say diddly-squat of real value! The bible was by MEN, therefore, itz full of mes's BS!


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"The god of this world (Satan) has blinded their eyes to the truth".


The big bad boogy man!

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Jesus said that.


What did he say, show me this book that JESUS wrote! Prove to me that he even lived!

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It is the Christian's job to tell you the Good New


You're JOB! Well, you're FIRED! Now pisss off!
#38 May 13 2004 at 3:26 PM Rating: Good
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Well, I got to this one late, but saw something early on that caught my eye that I disagree with.

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We may prolong life, to a small degree, say 20-40 more years (120years old). We are only beginning to scratch the surface in what we know about cells, life, death, etc... and at the rate we are learning this, it will be another 1,000 years before we ever actually apply any kind of REAL life extending applications!


At the rate we are making improvements in modern medicine, I very much doubt that it will be 1000 years before anyone is able to apply any life extending applications. Look at where medicine was 60-70 years ago, or even 20 years ago, and where it is now. The only thing I see advancing faster than modern medicine is computer technology.

As to the religous arguments, I'll leave that one alone.
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#39 May 13 2004 at 5:42 PM Rating: Decent
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The only thing I see advancing faster than modern medicine is computer technology.


You forgot about human stupidity. NO limits there.
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