Forum Settings
       
Reply To Thread

Your opinions on the Etude/Prelude/etc changesFollow

#1 Oct 13 2012 at 8:36 AM Rating: Excellent
Yesterday they announced that certain Bard buff songs, namely the Etude line, the Prelude line, and both Foe Sirvente and Adventurer's Dirge, will now behave like normal songs in that they're Area of Effect normally and Pianissimo will make them single target. How do you guys feel about the change? I rarely go Bard to things anymore and I'm not a Daurdabla Bard so I'm limited to only casting two songs, but I think nowadays, given how most Bards that do "end game" sorts of events have at least the level 90 Daurdabla and that, at least for right now with Embrava still on the table for Scholars, that since Marches aren't near as necessary as they were before, being able to cast Etudes on a party of Melee would be quite good.

The Prelude line would also be good if it was common for there to be a large number of Rangers in a party nowadays, but, at least for what I do event wise, having more than one Ranger in a party is pretty rare, so at least for right now that's not really all that useful.

As for Adventurer's Dirge and Foe Sirvente...all I can say is why would a Bard even have these merited? Even though Nightingale and Troubadour's recast timers are now a static value rather than based on merits, the effects they have now with merits are just too beneficial to not want. Not to mention that, given how the Enmity system works, a traditional "tank" is pretty much a thing of the past and the party(ies) you'd be in would benefit far more from some of your other songs.
____________________________
Lady Jinte wrote:

Vlorsutes' Negotiation Skill rises 0.2 points
Vlorsutes' Observant Parent Skill rises 0.3 points
Vlorsutes' Argument Diffusing Skill rises 0.1 points

#2 Oct 14 2012 at 12:49 PM Rating: Good
Sage
****
4,233 posts
I would never merit Sirvente or Dirge. Fully merited Nitro is too nice.

As for Etudes, I can't see myself ever using them. I'd sooner do 3 Minuets and a Madrigal for melee in an Embrava situation or throw in a Scherzo if I was scared of something. If I ever found myself in PT with RNGs I suppose I might do a Prelude, but my LS doesn't really use RNG for anything so I don't see it coming up.
____________________________
Philemon on Valefor
Gjallarhorn 4/17/08
Daurdabla 5/9/11
Carnwenhan 5/4/12
Ryunohige 10/29/12
#3 Oct 15 2012 at 6:39 AM Rating: Decent
Jack of All Trades
******
29,187 posts
Pretty sure nothing is going to really change; this is just something they're doing for "neatness" and consistency's sake.

In the rare event that people actually used any of these songs, they probably only wanted it single-target to begin with, so I expect to see some **** about how these people have to use Pianissimo on these songs where they didn't have to before. In my case though, no **** are given.
#4 Oct 15 2012 at 3:53 PM Rating: Good
Avatar
****
9,245 posts
Fynlar wrote:
In my case though, no @#%^s are given.


^

____________________________
lolgaxe wrote:
When it comes to sitting around not doing anything for long periods of time, only being active for short windows, and marginal changes and sidegrades I'd say FFXI players were the perfect choice for politicians.

clicky
#5 Oct 19 2012 at 8:40 AM Rating: Good
Needs More Smut
Avatar
******
20,274 posts
The only time I ever used Dirge was on a WHM in a long ugly battle where she was riding the hate line because of having to cure dump on the tank. Because of Minikin, my Balllad 3 +4 was enough to keep her in MP by itself, and Dirge on her was enough to help keep hate on the tank better.

That was one time.

I think a party full of BLMs might like the INT boost as a Dharp third spell. And a melee party won't object to AOE STR+....
____________________________
FFXI: Catwho on Bismarck. Once again a top bard on the server: Dardaubla 90 on 1/6/2014
Thayos wrote:
I can't understand anyone who skips the cutscenes of a Final Fantasy game. That's like going to Texas and not getting barbecue.

FFXIV: Katarh Mest on Lamia - Member of The Swarm and leader of Grammarian Tea House chat LS
#6 Oct 19 2012 at 2:30 PM Rating: Good
Sage
****
4,233 posts
In a PT of BLM I don't see how some combination of marches and ballads wouldn't be more beneficial.
____________________________
Philemon on Valefor
Gjallarhorn 4/17/08
Daurdabla 5/9/11
Carnwenhan 5/4/12
Ryunohige 10/29/12
#7 Oct 19 2012 at 9:41 PM Rating: Good
Needs More Smut
Avatar
******
20,274 posts
BLMs don't often recast the same spells in quick succession any more, with the exception of Stun. Instead, they're running down a proc list.

If we had a Fast Cast song, it'd be more beneficial than the INT, however.
____________________________
FFXI: Catwho on Bismarck. Once again a top bard on the server: Dardaubla 90 on 1/6/2014
Thayos wrote:
I can't understand anyone who skips the cutscenes of a Final Fantasy game. That's like going to Texas and not getting barbecue.

FFXIV: Katarh Mest on Lamia - Member of The Swarm and leader of Grammarian Tea House chat LS
#8 Oct 20 2012 at 12:50 AM Rating: Good
Sage
****
4,233 posts
Okay well if it's just procing then what good are etudes?
____________________________
Philemon on Valefor
Gjallarhorn 4/17/08
Daurdabla 5/9/11
Carnwenhan 5/4/12
Ryunohige 10/29/12
#9 Oct 20 2012 at 6:38 AM Rating: Good
Needs More Smut
Avatar
******
20,274 posts
Have you ever met a BLM that says no to more damage INT? Smiley: lol

All right, all right yeah, if they're proccing they need less damage, not more.

Edited, Oct 20th 2012 8:52am by catwho
____________________________
FFXI: Catwho on Bismarck. Once again a top bard on the server: Dardaubla 90 on 1/6/2014
Thayos wrote:
I can't understand anyone who skips the cutscenes of a Final Fantasy game. That's like going to Texas and not getting barbecue.

FFXIV: Katarh Mest on Lamia - Member of The Swarm and leader of Grammarian Tea House chat LS
#10 Dec 20 2012 at 9:36 AM Rating: Decent
Scholar
****
4,347 posts
Yeah, i have to come back on my earlier statement. I was a bit upset and irritated when it was annouced a while back when i heard stuff went AoE from Single Target, when i wanted them to stay single target...

But then i realized now that it's been implemented. I absolutely NEVER use any of those song anyhow, under any circumstance. So really, nothing changed at all.

Frontliners are perfectly happy with 2x March and 2x Minuet. Backliners are perfectly happy with 2-3x Ballad and 1-2x March for recasts. You can give the frontliners some ACC if there's room for another song when Haste is already capped through other means. Backliners, i've never heard them complain once they're full on Ballads and 25% March.
____________________________
[XI] Surivere of Valefor
[XIV] Sir Surian Bedivere of Behemoth
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/2401553/
Necro Warning: This post occurred more than thirty days after the prior, and may be a necropost.
Reply To Thread

Colors Smileys Quote OriginalQuote Checked Help

 

Recent Visitors: 14 All times are in CDT
Anonymous Guests (14)