Teiwaz = win?Follow

I posted this also in the blm forum. I am shocked nobody pointed this out yet:
http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3681710&postcount=1101
http://forums.ffxiclopedia.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=24442



The same probably goes for the Macc+3 version. The boost seems to be 5% better then HQ staffs. But this boosts just one part. Either Magic dmg or Magic accuracy. The great thing for brd is: we have no use for Magic dmg +3. So we just got a more accurate version of a Terra's Staff or Apollo's Staff. Depending on which one you pick. The only thing you need to get this is time.

I am not sure which one I want either:
Teiwaz Macc+3 light based for lullaby and finale? I still need Apollo's Staff for charm then.
Or:
Teiwaz Macc+3 earth based for elegy and Lightning Threnody. Would be nice to go /whm instead of /blm for certain HNM fights but I doubt a 5% boost will let me go brd/whm instead of brd/blm.

You still have to keep NQ versions of the elemental staffs because sometimes you want the cure potency or -Physical damage taken.

You could probably surmount the light damage requirement as BRD using the Starburst staff WS with the Teiwaz. I believe I remember someone saying that finishing a mob with Garland of Bliss -- a light-based WS -- contributed to the kill total.

Of course, bizarrely, Starburst is light/dark, so it might be a stab in the dark...

I have nothing to add to this thread other than that if you're getting one of those earth acc Teiwaz, please don't get rid of your Earth/Terra's Staff entirely. If anything, sell Terra's and buy back Earth. Continue to macro this in after Elegy completes casting.

That -20% phys damage taken is too precious to forego entirely, especially for a job that is typically puller. I am usually the one that has to curesink into BRDs that soak up way too much damage on pulls, so I'm saying this in my own best interests as well as yours.

This might be a no-brainer to most, but you have no idea how many WHMs I've met over the years who thought they could sell their Noble's Tunic as soon as they got their relic body (at least this was mostly back in the days when Noble's still had decent value; nowadays it's chump change in comparison). The Auto Refresh isn't the only purpose for Noble's, much like the Elegy acc isn't the only purpose for Earth/Terra's.


In any case, as far as the trial goes, as long as you nab EP mobs, it actually is not TOO insanely difficult to land unresisted subbed magic, even Banish; you may still be able to do 50+ even with Banish 1 if you load up on enough MND.

Edited, Apr 22nd 2010 7:18pm by Fynlar

Yes you right Sakka. After thinking it over. I decided to go with the cure potency +15% staff. More cure power is nice to have and works on all cures. Landing elegy and lullaby is no problem anyway. And if it is a problem I am /blm or the monster is 100% immune.

Edited, Apr 23rd 2010 3:52pm by Breaze

Meh, I'll unlock it on WHM for BRD.

Pretty much that usually, but still, some people are in some different circumstances. For instance, I can't merit singing/wind. This means that there are things that are still going to resist me, but not necessarily to the point where I need /BLM to land it. More accuracy would still be helpful.

As for gear, well, this is just one of those ways you can help to make your gear "at all decent" >_>

I wouldn't go so far as to say that there is little difference in a gimped BRD and a well geared/merited one. A lot of people don't understand that a half-duration song is a resist - but when considering if their gear is good or not they only gauge it based on full resist situations.

Credit this to the fact that we can always refresh the common debuffs and the fast-paced influence on speedy merit parties (where a Colibri shouldn't be asleep for more than 15 seconds in the event of a half-resist) and you'll quickly realize that a lot of people have a general misconception that as long as their song lands it didn't get resisted.

However, if the game is to land a song (which it usually is) regardless of partial-resist, then that just lowers the overall MACC requirement. I can guarantee that if elegy or threnody was weaker when resisted, MACC would be more of a concern - but its not.

The staff is a huge task, and the fact you can only (for now) pick one is a limitation in itself. I don't think it should be the first thing an under-geared non-fulltime BRD should get. Even then, its difficult to put it up against other useful staves if you play other jobs. You would be serviced better by picking up better gear and merit (if you can), because its only 10MACC over HQ staves and there are several pieces of BRD gear that can do the same for BRD.

This staff makes hard-core BRD's hesitate and consider which to pick very carefully - This is the reason I wouldn't recommend under-geared BRD's to run out and grab one, not simply because the differences between the two are slim (they aren't, they just are not noticeable or a huge concern).

Edited, Apr 28th 2010 7:26am by Asmoranomar

The fact that you *can* make more than was was very much implied. I don't think there was ever any doubt in this entire discussion. However, it does break macros (as it's been stated many times) and also renders the alternative uses that HQ staves grant (also covered).

You've already covered the nonsense that goes along with casting 2 second songs and wasting time to equip specific staves. Dancing around the staff swap for cure spells wouldn't be to hot either. Simple fact of the matter is, even though SE allows us to make multiple Teiwaz, they are in essence still 'rare' to us because of the how difficult it is to implement multiple versions of it.

Sure, I could leave one in my locker in case I need it when I switch duties - but damn, If I have to take that route, I'm still going to want to have my HQ staves on fallback just incase I need them anyways. That's really no different than muling/dboxing/lockering other rare items I want duplicates of (you know...for times when you want to keep one and sell another, or holding on to multiple pop items...etc).



Edited, Apr 28th 2010 5:01pm by Asmoranomar

Your arguing semantics then, because even if you misunderstood - your still going to only want to "pick" one. Whether you "Pick" to upgrade one, or "Pick" one out of your moghouse; it doesn't matter.

Not to mention that the entire thread is centered around which one to pick because 'omgzzzz i cant macrozzz when i have more than one'. If you didn't get that, then you obviously didn't read the OP, the links posted, or the entire thread. Seriously, stop being difficult.

Edited, Apr 29th 2010 8:02am by Asmoranomar

Read the links posted in the op. That is what they are there for. The fact that you can obtain more than one was clearly stated multiple times. There was no grey area. If you aren't going to take the time to read the information and you misunderstand what I wrote (I used the word "pick" intentionally btw, it wasn't a poor choice of words), then that isn't my problem.

Its like that proverb about bringing a horse to the water, but you can't make it drink.

I mean the op does clearly make a contrast between which two weapons to get. If there was not any previous understanding, then the first post should have gone like this: "Why not get both?"

If this isn't the core of the discussion and it wasn't implied from the start, then what was the point of the entire thread? Why was there even a choice in the OP of which to pick from? The only answers I can think of is "I didn't read the threads and I thought it was rare or you could only get one." or "Obviously he's implying that it would be difficult to use more than one, so which is better?"

Edit: Someone just informed me that the BG link takes them to a single post. Not sure why, but it takes me to the entire thread on both of my PC's. Also I do not think your trying to accuse me of being Antichrist, but damn pick a battle that actually has some sort of significance. It doesn't change a single thing in the scope of the discussion and ends up being an enormous derail. In the scope of what was discussed thus far, your still only going to want to "Pick" one.

Edited, Apr 29th 2010 12:09pm by Asmoranomar