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#1 Nov 24 2008 at 2:18 PM Rating: Decent
If you've leveled to BRD and are doing/wearing any of the following, please rethink your job choice and GTFO:

1. wearing a Moldavite Earring (Magic ACCURACY help us... Magic ATTACK BONUS does jack sh*t for Bard)... if you're wearing said earring in an Odin fight I reserve the right to smack you up the side of the head with my Moogle Rod.

2. using a Monster Signa... and no elemental staves. At level 75. In a merit party. Doing that means I *will* swap from my THF onto my BRD and run your crappy geared arse out of my merit camp (after your party comes and camps on top of MINE).

3. wearing Mountain Gaiters. At 75. In said Odin battle. See point #1.

4. Star Necklace, Bird Whistle at 75. I'm just not going to waste my energy. -.-;

It's not difficult to gear your BRD correctly for cheap, c'mon now. The Odin BRD didn't bother me too much, since I didn't see it until after the fight, but the merit BRD... Every time a gimp BRD pulls in merit parties, Altana kills a Moogle.
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#2 Nov 24 2008 at 10:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Even it is indeed bad to use Moldative Earring or Signa... but Star Necklace is not that bad >_>

But I will say it is bad to have a Manteel or Osode with no Wind Torque :P But who knows... I just finished teaming up with an interesting RDM and BLM duo in Sea... They are very nice people, but I noticed the RDM has never changed his staff, it is either a sword or a Dark Staff :P
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#3 Nov 24 2008 at 10:47 PM Rating: Decent
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scchan the Braindead wrote:
but Star Necklace is not that bad >_>


Yes it is. If you don't have a Wind Torque, you're not taking the job seriously. Which is understandable, because most people level it for easy merits. But don't say it's "not that bad".
#4 Nov 24 2008 at 11:21 PM Rating: Decent
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star necklace is unacceptable any level after you can equip wind torque

it's not like any other basic brd gear is colossally expensive...
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#5 Nov 25 2008 at 3:59 AM Rating: Good
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im often asked to go brd for merit pts.. and thats even when I say i have a black belt monk and all that crap for my other jobs.. but NO!

"brd plz". I reserve to right to come however i want! (i use a star necklace! i go to pts as brd because im asked not because i want to!)
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#6 Nov 25 2008 at 7:17 AM Rating: Default
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im often asked to go brd for merit pts.. and thats even when I say i have a black belt monk and all that crap for my other jobs.. but NO!

"brd plz". I reserve to right to come however i want! (i use a star necklace! i go to pts as brd because im asked not because i want to!)


Then we have the right to call your Bard gimp. Just because you have a better geared alternate does not mean your excluded from criticism on BRD.

My BRD's gear kicks the pants off just about every other BRD on my server. My 75 WHM is gimp as hell, especially since I sold off just about everything. But I don't run around telling people my WHM isn't gimp or excluded from criticism because I have a pimp BRD and it's ok. My WHM *is* gimp.

For the record tho, almost all of the good BRD gear is on the AH and can be bought for *very* cheep. And even on the off chance your poor and too lazy to make some gil, there is always 'easy-to-get' alternates.

Can't afford Manteel? Get Gomlek!
Can't afford Wind Torque? Get Piper's Torque! (easy fight, decent drop)
Can't afford Sha'ir Feet? Get Oracle Feet!
Can't afford Jester's Cape +1 (lol)? Get Astute Cape!
etc. etc. etc.
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#7 Nov 25 2008 at 7:40 AM Rating: Decent
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(I split this up because I didn't want Xellith to think it was directed at him. It comes with a different tone and I'd rather not get crossed wires.)

I agree with Etain though, I am tired of seeing half-assed BRD's run around with thrown together gear that seems to have no real point. Most of the sh*t I see BRD's wear throw me for a real wonder, especially when, had they worn nothing in certain paticular slots, I wouldn't have questioned it at all.

What really drives me up the wall though, and makes me want to emo every time I see one of them, is that every - single - bard - relic - owner on Diabolos is like this. Not a single one of them takes their job seriously. It's like, they were handed relic's before CoP came out, when Osode and Dalmatica was a big thing, and they just stopped upgrading gear. It makes me cringe every time I see one of them walk by.

BRD is not a hard job, nor is it difficult to come across really good gear. In most cases, it may just drop to you because you've got little to no competition. So you'd figure these end-game relic bards would have better gear (we aren't talking about the Bard's who just hit 75). But for whatever reason, they don't.

Do I wonder why the other BRD's on Diabolos wear odd equipment now? Not at all - even if by chance there were some committed bards out there on Diabolos, they have some pretty sh*tty leaders to follow.

And if your on Diabolos and feel a bit butt-hurt (especially any relic owners) about what I just said, I suggest you go thru your equipment very carefully. No Bard is perfect (even me) and there is always room for improvement. If you want advice, I got it. If you want criticism, I've got that too.
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#8 Nov 25 2008 at 8:03 AM Rating: Good
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I think I was misunderstood in some ways. It has nothing to do with do I think people should eventually get a Wind Torque -- everyone should, eventually. In fact, when I leveled Bard (5 years ago), I did not have my Wind Torque before I passed level 65. That is because Wind Torque is a lot harder to get to in the past than it is now.

Gear is a progressive thing, and it is not a reason to entitle oneself for elitism. Star Necklace is still currently the best option after Wind Torque -- is what I really meant. I know Wind Torque is cheaper now, but back when I leveled Bard 5 years ago... it was... millions. The value of gil nowadays are basically depreciated to what it was like 4-5 years ago (if you take crystals as an estimate of inflation). So in some sense, I had a little more appreciation how the economy it was then and it is now. FYI, Wind Torque is more expensive than a Hauby on my server right now. The concept that Bard -- play its to best potential -- is a cheap job is false; it is no different with any other job. It has always been how expensive you want to get, not how cheap you can get by when you are talking about being good.

May be I have different definition of gimp, but the quest for Star Necklace and farming for Wind Torque are both not trivial for sure. To me, trying to be not gimp is an approach of doing things, it is not an end result. I just want some appreciation to people who are leveling a job new -- be that be Bard or another job -- and who are trying hard within their personal limits.

Desire to get progress is good. I know there are things that are a grind, but let's not make that a headache more than it is necessary.

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Where did your blog go :(? Etain. It was not working with me today morning.

Edited, Nov 25th 2008 11:34am by scchan
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#9 Nov 25 2008 at 9:37 AM Rating: Decent
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If I ever play BRD again (only on very rare occasions) then yes it's going to be wearing a star necklace - because I basically sold my gear for it and only ever play it as a very rare desperately needed measure. It also has melody earring+1s and if I ever get them off AH it'll have heaven's rings as well... reason being - I'm 75BST and nuts about that, so I do have a lot of HQ CHR gear, but I'm not keeping a wind torque around for a job I barely play and if I do ever play it I'm only sticking ballad on BLMs anyhow.

I also never merit on BRD so it's not as if I levelled the job for easy merits - I levelled it long long before the whole "BRD must pull chain bazillion and you suck if you can't pull colibri out of your butt while farting tunes up against 10 other parties in the same camp" phenomenon and that was pretty much the reason I retired the job in the end. My LS leader knows I took the decision to downgrade my gear on it and they were OK with that.
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#10 Nov 25 2008 at 10:29 AM Rating: Decent
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I also never merit on BRD so it's not as if I levelled the job for easy merits - I levelled it long long before the whole "BRD must pull chain bazillion and you suck if you can't pull colibri out of your butt while farting tunes up against 10 other parties in the same camp" phenomenon and that was pretty much the reason I retired the job in the end. My LS leader knows I took the decision to downgrade my gear on it and they were OK with that.


That is similar reason that a lot of my jobs remain unfinished at least in terms of merits, and will remain unfinished. I have zero hope players will change their mentality.

I have refused to merit for long time, I never intentionally gimp my Bard, instead I did "gimp" my Black Mage for exactly the same reason you did. For sure, I am not one of the person that will not compromise what I believe to right to gaming for some virtual achievements -- it is still a game for enjoyment, it is not a thing that I would bang your head, try my patience for something that I am unable to touch or feel with my hands.
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#11 Nov 25 2008 at 11:37 AM Rating: Good
While I agree with what you're saying about progression, I do cut people slack when I gauge their gear. If they're geared relatively well/intelligently and have like, 1 wtf piece, I'll cut them some slack and figure they're a fairly new BRD and still working on their gear.

However, when you have no skill gear at all and are trying to sleep mobs in pure CHR gear and a freaking Monster Signa... NO. Just no. You're an idiot and deserve to be treated as much. NQ Light/Earth staves are fairly cheap (checking FFXIAH real quick... on Fenrir, Light Staff is a whopping 22k, and Earth Staff is 26k... a Monster Signa is ~40k, so by selling that you could by 1 staff and half the cost of the other...) so there's absolutely no excuse not to have them. C'mon now.

Likewise, at 75, Moldavite Earring, Bird Whistle, and Mountain Gaiters? I can find no other reasoning other than 1)too lazy to gear your BRD or 2) too stupid to figure out how to gear it right. My odds are on #1 though.

My "End Game" gear guide exists for a reason- there are MULTIPLE acceptable options in there, along with suggested gear sets to build upon/base your gear on. If you read this forum even somewhat regularly, there is no reason to gear your BRD like you just bought your account off Ebay unless you are 100% lazy.

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#12 Nov 25 2008 at 12:04 PM Rating: Decent
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However, when you have no skill gear at all and are trying to sleep mobs in pure CHR gear and a freaking Monster Signa... NO. Just no. You're an idiot and deserve to be treated as much. NQ Light/Earth staves are fairly cheap (checking FFXIAH real quick... on Fenrir, Light Staff is a whopping 22k, and Earth Staff is 26k... a Monster Signa is ~40k, so by selling that you could by 1 staff and half the cost of the other...) so there's absolutely no excuse not to have them. C'mon now.


Indeed that NQ staffs are very reasonable price. If one can afford a Signa, you can afford NQ staves. IMO, everyone should buy a full set of NQ staffs -- it will come in handy... eventually, even if one has no current mage job leveled.

One thing for sure, I rarely check anyone's gear unless it is wearing something outrageous. And then again, I rarely ever exp now. Most times I team up with other people fighting is Assault and Dynamis -- which literally is indeed "You just do not need to suck terribly" (according to Kereboz :P). (Dynamis is literally the only "end game" I do now).

May be Etain has spied on my FFXIAH log Smiley: glare... I literally have not bought any gear for any job for the last 3 months haha. Even my "gimped" job is actually fairly decent, and I try not to make really bad gear choice. I am not sure people know my Bard gear well either -- no, I do not use a Star Necklace except helping in 60 cap Airship BC or macro piece for Minstrel Ring. Again what I wear is not the reason why I give Star Necklace some credit.

I think I know why would Etain make this post at the beginning. I actually blame the player's altitude to Bard in general to have caused that -- the very same altitude that causes me to quit Black Mage and refuse to go merit. I really cannot blame Cesaria saying what he/she does; in fact, it is completely understandable. People need to step back, and actually understand why they play any games to begin with. I do not let bad player mentality to get in my way of play, nor I will participate in such mentality to advance myself; it is not worth it.

Edited, Nov 25th 2008 3:11pm by scchan
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#13 Nov 25 2008 at 2:30 PM Rating: Good
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It also goes both ways. If I come to a low-number event on my BRD, and it's well-geared and I'm really paying attention and keeping the traffic moving, then the melee must do the same.

It bugs the living hell out of me if we get to the boss at an event and the melee are asked to wait until they have all been healed and have buffs before engaging, and they don't listen, pull a Leeroy and then we all die. The other night we hit Cerb on floor 80 of Nyzul Isle, time was slightly short but we still had time for the kill. Melee panicked, ran off with yellow HP and missing half of my SV buffs, and engaged.

If they'd waited for 30seconds, they would have had SV Min/March and full hp, and we would have won easily. Instead, Cerb kicked their asses and then ate me.

Very annoying.
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#14 Nov 25 2008 at 3:03 PM Rating: Good
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I'm very very picky about my bard gear. After buffs I have timed macros that actually equip an awesome standing set of full drk. steel +1/jelly/mermans/umbra etc. On marches I blink 4 times moving from minstrel ring setup to skill set up while song goes off to standing set. Everything (other than that stupid frog not dropping 35 head) is absolutely perfect.

Having said that, I've pulled merit parties naked on a bet (50k to me if I could pull a chain 100 without wearing anything other than ele staves and instruments). Yes, buffs taking twice as long to cast was just painful. But every elegy landed. Every lullaby worked. Every Minuet gave nearly a full bonus. Every march made people attack nearly as fast.

There is a HUGE difference in a terribly equipped melee and a great one. In some pickups I've been in we have killed at a 50% rate of what we do in ls parties. Unfortunately, other than pride, there is not that HUGE gap between gimpy bards and great ones (talking about gear here, not skill). Everything is either super easy to sleep/elegy (merit mobs) or no way in hell w/o subbing blm (like cerb). And lets face it, in an alliance fight you only need one of your bards to be well equipped for debuffs (but EVERY melee needs to be equipped well).


That's not an excuse. I just WISH that bard debuffs and buffs were more gear dependant. Make lullaby 50% on merit mobs with an ele staff with 100 Chr and no added skill. Make it 95% with 120 Chr and 50 extra skill. Make march cap at 6% with no extra skill. Make it cap at 13% in full skill gear. Make elegy impossible to land on sky gods with no gear/merits but make it more consistent for the bard that has literally every piece of gear available. SE, MAKE IT WORTH MY WHILE THAT I GAVE UP ELEMENTAL MERITS to max bard magic merits. Wearing those gimpy af blm gloves instead of zenith mitts makes me want to puke but I did it because I want to excel at bard. Make skill/merits/gear worth something. If I can debuff merit mobs naked they are not "Very Tough" or Incredibly Tough". Expose the gimpy bards. Make their performance so bad they are never asked to bard again. I know its just a dream, but make a pimped out bard's march 50% better than a gimpy bard like a pimped out DRG can put up DOT 50% higher than a gimpy one.


Until the day comes that the formulas are changed to make dedicated bards excel in comparison on the same level as melee you will only have pride to make people equip bard decently. And we know how much pride many people have in the 'job they just leveled for merits'.
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#15 Nov 25 2008 at 4:19 PM Rating: Decent
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I think a better adjustment is to actually weaken the support and spell effect of poorly geared Bards, than rather making what is currently the best to get stronger -- the latter will just fuel further the current imbalance of melee and magic attackers, which has triggered a lot of side effects across the board of the game. In a certain sense, what is close to maximum support now as Bard is very strong.

Anyway, in general, all magic user jobs in this game need a major overhaul and re-balancing.
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#16 Nov 25 2008 at 7:18 PM Rating: Decent
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im often asked to go brd for merit pts.. and thats even when I say i have a black belt monk and all that crap for my other jobs.. but NO!

"brd plz". I reserve to right to come however i want! (i use a star necklace! i go to pts as brd because im asked not because i want to!)


hold out for a better merit party?
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hold out for a better merit party?
at the times i get on there are LITERALLY around 40 DIFFERENT people seeking parties in the 6 hour period from 3pm till 9pm...
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#18 Nov 26 2008 at 6:10 AM Rating: Decent
Why not start your own merit party then? I'm sure you know some people who have BRD leveled that you can bully into singing for you instead of the other way around. XD
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#19 Nov 26 2008 at 8:47 AM Rating: Good
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I also never merit on BRD so it's not as if I levelled the job for easy merits - I levelled it long long before the whole "BRD must pull chain bazillion and you suck if you can't pull colibri out of your butt while farting tunes up against 10 other parties in the same camp" phenomenon and that was pretty much the reason I retired the job in the end.


My BRD still has all the gear I acquired for it as I leveled but I quit for more or less the same reason you did. After about an hour merits just felt like work to me on BRD, worse than work in fact since this was supposed to be my leisure activity and I was the only one with any pressure while a WHM or RDM kept 4 idiot melee alive. It was always funny to me how melee do the least in a merit party but complain the loudest.
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I geared my BRD fairly well, but only because it became required for end-game and I got told I was coming BRD instead of the job I leveled it for. BRD was a means to an end for SMN and this time it didn't come to that.

Etain, Asmo, I respect you guys but I know none of your gear just popped on you like magic. Everyone has to work for their gear and no everyone has the time or the support to make it so.

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I also never merit on BRD so it's not as if I levelled the job for easy merits - I levelled it long long before the whole "BRD must pull chain bazillion and you suck if you can't pull colibri out of your butt while farting tunes up against 10 other parties in the same camp" phenomenon and that was pretty much the reason I retired the job in the end. My LS leader knows I took the decision to downgrade my gear on it and they were OK with that.


Pretty much the same for me. The job use to require me to know ranges of my AoE's, set mages / melee's so those who needed ballad got it..and calming down the THF who ran into range of Ballad b/c he wanted to TA..lol, being asked for Etudes, everyone asking for the job specific songs and figuring out how to get it to them..that's what made the bard job interesting to me. Now it's ATK/Haste/Ballad, the rare Acc for THF beastmen. Job got, boring but the merits were great..still, took the thunder out of the job for me. Gimped my bard pretty bad, I join ls merits now when they need a bard. I can still pull the insane #, all that CHR, sleep isn't resisted.

Now, some brd's left the ls so I've got to get all that gear back haha..going to try for the Yigit, b/c a few melee just chewed me out for wanting Manteel again, saying I'm better off with the EVA over CHR..so they'll at least help me with the Yigit body.. ; ; And I'm going to pimp smack that Imp for that Torque.


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It was always funny to me how melee do the least in a merit party but complain the loudest.


That's...a damn good quote right there. Rate up. A brd messes up, it's our butt. A melee hits the wrong damn bird that's slept and another floats in just spawning and links to him and he gets slaughtered..meh nobody's fault it' happens. What get's me is when I'm pulling a colibri from a far corner, and one pops near the PT. They say "Pop" and some melee's just stare at it..they won't engage they won't voke, ranged attack..poke it. Just wait..for me to come back and cast on it. I go nuts then..because i've gotten responses when asking why they just stare at it..and they go "Waiting for you to pull it."

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I was the only one with any pressure while a WHM or RDM kept 4 idiot melee alive.


Sucky part is while the bard is shoving pulls out the wazoo trying to keep songs on the RDM or WHM is most likely dealing with some jerk off /WAR or /SAM who refuses to /NIN. They just suck the MP pool. Then again if you got all decent /NIN's or someone who can hold their own as their main job then yeah..you got the pressure and it turns into an actual job rather than fun like it use to be.

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If you've leveled to BRD and are doing/wearing any of the following, please rethink your job choice and GTFO:


Replace bard with just about any other job, lol I'm sure it sucks to see a bard like that, but it's everywhere..jobs can either "get by" or be good at what they do and how they're geared. Getting by, is tolerated for only so long you know? But there's so much that makes your head hurt wondering how did these people get to 75 in the first place.

I just had a THF who wore all Level 30 gear, Noct and Now here's the kicker. lv58. Exception..was his weapons.

Seen War's Merit with fishing rods and pumpkin hats, signal pearls, Level 36 Rings.

SMN's who had xp rings, no AF no evokers ring. Still didn't have all avatars towards the 70's.

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#22 Nov 27 2008 at 5:28 AM Rating: Decent
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Why not start your own merit party then? I'm sure you know some people who have BRD leveled that you can bully into singing for you instead of the other way around. XD


easier said than done. Im an EU gamer. my "prime time" is 9am CST until 3PM CST". So there arnt that many americans on during the time im on since many are at work/school or are asleep >.> lol. Since its late for JP most of the JPS are pretty much winding down the evening.

Trust me - when i say there is more or less NOBODY seeking at certain times. im not joking. I used to work nights meaning I had lots of contact with NA players. But ive not done nights for a while and dont have many EU friends since they are mostly douchebags. (i prefer the NA playerbase to the EU playerbase).

So yea.. making parties isnt at all that easy. Some days its really easy to get a party... but those days are few and far between @.@

and i dont wanna make pts with drks and sh*tty samurais WHO GET OUTDAMAGED BY NINJAS.. im sorry.. but yea.. its mostly the same sh*tty players that i see when i wanna make pts.. like there was one ninja called silentdemon - as a nin he used the katana of trials and did the whole "its my money ill play how i want" speech when i asked him about it. yea.. Needless to say i left that pt.

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#23 Nov 27 2008 at 7:58 AM Rating: Decent
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Why not start your own merit party then? I'm sure you know some people who have BRD leveled that you can bully into singing for you instead of the other way around. XD


I myself have been through really terrible pickup merit PTs (when I did do them) -- like people do not provoke adds, mages that do not silence enemies or let Ga spells fire unchecked... (I merit in a variety of jobs :P so I am not always Bard).

Come on folks... Merit PTs are easy mode FFXI already Smiley: disappointed
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That's...a damn good quote right there. Rate up. A brd messes up, it's our butt. A melee hits the wrong damn bird that's slept and another floats in just spawning and links to him and he gets slaughtered..meh nobody's fault it' happens.


The BRD still gets blamed, cause the links should of been slept, disposed, and perhaps a couple Ridill+1's crafted somewhere in there.
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#25 Nov 28 2008 at 7:28 AM Rating: Good
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That's...a damn good quote right there. Rate up. A brd messes up, it's our butt. A melee hits the wrong damn bird that's slept and another floats in just spawning and links to him and he gets slaughtered..meh nobody's fault it' happens.


The BRD still gets blamed, cause the links should of been slept, disposed, and perhaps a couple Ridill+1's crafted somewhere in there.


It's funny cause it's true >.>

The bitch of it is, I leveled Bard "back in the day" (in fact, it was the first job I leveled), and I used to actually ENJOY it, though I stopped at 57 for a multitude of reasons.

Fast forward to sometime in 2006, when I came back from a short hiatus, ToAU had been out for a while, and the TPburn craze was in full swing. More or less on a lark, I decide to dust off the Bard cause, heck, I haven't played it in a while. I end up invited to pseudo-TPburns off of colibris in Aht Urhgan (hey, speedkill parties work at 75, they MUST work at 57-60, amirite!?!?!?!!!). Long story short, the whole experience left me wanting to tear my hair out, ESPECIALLY when the melees bitched at me for letting the chain drop, cause I didn't want to pull when the WHM was out of MP. Yeah, TOTALLY my fault that they can't keep shadows up to save their lives, especially pre-Ni >.> Rinse and repeat 5 or 6 times over the next week (and in between, read lots and lots of horror stories of what I have to look forward to if I tough it out), and I've more or less sworn off Bard for good.

I have lots and lots of respect for the GOOD Bards out there (i.e. the non "merit princess" ones) for putting up with the BS they put up with, and for putting their feet down and saying "NO!" when they don't WANT to put up with it :p. But even if I wanted to try, there is no way I could ever be like that, and I don't particularly want to constantly be the melees' whipping boy for my merits, and I don't want to be shoehorned into coming as Bard to EVERY. SINGLE. EVENT. for the rest of my time in FFXI.

Anyway, /rant off and all that jazz. Later!
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#26 Nov 28 2008 at 2:09 PM Rating: Decent
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I was the only one with any pressure while a WHM or RDM kept 4 idiot melee alive.


Sucky part is while the bard is shoving pulls out the wazoo trying to keep songs on the RDM or WHM is most likely dealing with some jerk off /WAR or /SAM who refuses to /NIN. They just suck the MP pool. Then again if you got all decent /NIN's or someone who can hold their own as their main job then yeah..you got the pressure and it turns into an actual job rather than fun like it use to be.


My intent with saying that was never to insinuate that RDM or WHM is simple. I have both jobs leveled and the difference between the two for me is that BRD has to be proactive to keep those chains in triple digits while RDM and WHM for me I can sit back and simply react to circumstances.

WHM/sch, RDM/sch for colibri, and RDM/whm for Caedarva/MMJSP are so laid back by comparison to BRD it's uncanny. Once you get the original Hastes/Pro/Shell going you're just reacting to them wearing off, someone getting hit, or a status effect. Refresh/Convert/Sublimation/Ballads mostly keep you going but occassionally you can rest a tick. Very enjoyable for me by comparison. Also I've been known to simply stop curing someone that made themselves an MP sink repeatedly either intentionally or through their own stupidity.
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Interesting read. And obviously there's always gear endgame that you should not use; however I do use a Star Necklace. BUT. The point you were trying to make I think is that in an HNM environment a torque; etc would be better because going to events as a Bard 75 basically means that you've agreed to make it your main or one of your main jobs in endgame. Now with that said; there's people who use Bards only to merit and do no endgame. The equipment for such a Bard setup is a little relaxed as it doesn't take a Wind Torque, HQ staff to land much on merit mobs.

I'm basically geared for merits; off the top of my head this would be an acceptable meriting bard setup skill wise: Demon's Helm +1 (singing), Neck (flower necklace is fine), Earring (Melody/Melody+1), Body (Yigit Gomlek/Errants), Hands (Bard AF singing), Fingers (Nereid's/+1 can't see using CHR sorry no excuses), Back (Jester's/+1), Waist (Gleeman's), Legs (Bard AF?), Feet (Shair/dance shoes?). Basically what I used in a merit setup and was able to sleep stuff, land elegys etc. It's been a year and a half since I've been on bard in merits but believe that was an acceptable setup.

Even though Bard is an easy job to merit with, the above is what I think is the acceptable merit setup. Now for HNMs, honestly. Follow Etain's guide 110% because it's the only chance you have at landing anything plus looking like you take pride in your job. If you're not a career Bard, then don't put it on your application for a HNM LS. I can see Etain looking at mm merit setup and thinking what the @#%^? because it's possible that she might think I do HNM activities with that setup. Which I did not. But there's so many options available to Bards right now it's crazy.

So much skill equipment out there, and I don't know how it is on other servers, but the skill gear on Asura is hard to come by. And perhaps if I make Bard my HNM job then I'll be working my ass off to attain the skill gear. But for now the setup above works for merits and with extra gil and time I'd purchase the skill gear as I can afford it and eventually be able to use Bard endgame. This thread should be stickied :P or put in the guide Love it.
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Skill does have a use in merit parties beyond what you need to reliably land debuffs. The higher your skill, the more haste Victory March gives. Granted if a single piece isn't going to push you into a higher tier, than there's no need for it, but if it does, then it does have a use.
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thing is, when a tier = ~6 skill and 1 piece can give you 7 skill that's gonna improve your buffs which chr isn't going to do no matter how much you squeeze your eyes shut and wish.

Also since CHR doesn't do sh*t after a certain point even for debuffs, and many new and part-time bards won't have gear which gives a decent chunk of skill and will be forced to gear for chr instead, wind torque IS gonna be the better option.

10 skill? wtf was I smoking

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Just as a follow-up to the original post...

Everytime I see a brd wearing this:
Bard's Cuffs

Instead of one of these:
Choral Cuffs
Choral Cuffs +1

I die a little inside...
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I totally agree, when I see Bards wearing relic hands or legs, I just don't get it.

Unfortunately, I remember hitting 75 and seeing some of these bards running around in either Relic, or MP gear and I wasn't sure what I was SUPPOSED to be wearing. Fortunately, I enjoy browsing forums and reading up on what the better gear is for each job.

I think a lot of newer Bards probably get confused by seeing the Bards they look up to wearing gear that makes no sense.
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Relic pants aren't all that bad. 8 CHR will do more for you than 3 skill if you don't have all that much CHR to begin with.

I have Marduk's pants and I still idle in relic because, being a Galka, I like to idle in as much MP gear as possible. I just macro in the Marduk's whenever I sing.
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Yeah, the relic pants make no sense.
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#35 Dec 02 2008 at 3:00 PM Rating: Good
I idle in my Bard's Cannions +1. :<

Of the 3 pairs of pants I actively use, the Relic+1 give me more HP and MP than my Barbarossa's Zerehs (3% haste for Lullaby/Finale, never got B. Haidate) or my Choral Cannions +1.

I do have a different idle set for HNM/long battle stuff though- for that set I idle in the Choral+1 for the -enmity.

If Bhaflau Remnants is ever nice to me and drops my 35, the Shalwar will probably be my default idle pants for both situations, though.

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I know I may get flamed for saying this, and I am going to explain why I am doing that... I do indeed has no Choral Cannions +1 nor I use the NQ or HQ Choral Hands... the problem I am having is I have no inventory space >< So I rarely take my AF out, because I have no place to put my other stuff without overloading myself (also with other job gear).

I will more than happy store my Bard AF2 set when I can complete it, so I can save space... Since I last time saw a Bard Slipper (the worse piece of the AF2 setSmiley: dubious) dropped 2 years ago with me the only person lotting, and I cannot lot on it -- because group wiped, and I reraised and died immediately again, and no one could raise me on time. Since then I only got finite chances to go do Jeuno, and I lost every lot since then Smiley: rolleyes. (And in that 2 years, I finished two other AF2 sets..., and my full set THF AF2 is also eh... gambling on Dynamis-Jeuno)

Another thing... sorry for ranting more, is I really dislike how AF+1 works. If I can just re-quest specific pieces, I think you would see me hang on to my Limbus items a lot more when I do went to Limbus. Now I did not even go Limbus anymore, so any AF+1 is literally out of the question. Space is certainly part of the problem I am not fan of doing AF quests also.

Sorry for ranting. But I also find I have similar problems with Thief also. It is often that is that I do not know what is best, it is more how much stuff I can hold, and how much time is needed to manage all that stuff.
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#37 Dec 03 2008 at 8:46 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah, the relic pants make no sense.


They make plenty of sense as an MP item.
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I need some advice on gear. I play when I can but have very limited time for meriting and the only endgame event I do currently is Nyzul. I try to farm everyday but Gil is accumulating slowly, that being said, is my gear acceptable? I have Errant body, Light/Dark/Earth staff, Trumpet ring x2, Dance shoes, Jesters+1, Melody Earrings, AF Hands/Legs. Flower Necklace, Demon Helm, and use Light/Earth grips. There seems to be a lot of cross opinions on gear on this forum but I am hoping for some constructive advice. My CHR is at about 105, and I generally sub WHM. I also have all instruments except Mary's Horn. If there is anything that should be changed, please let me know and give economical examples. Thanks.
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