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#152 Feb 11 2011 at 11:24 AM Rating: Good
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Pdt Axex2 - 20%
mini expansion hat - 10%
AF3+1/2 legs and Stout Servant job trait - 7-8%ish

that with DG gives the 88% pdt. If you use a minor pdt atma along with DG you get 98%. I currently use RR/DG/Heavens for this setup. I tried out Tremors since its pdt and mdt but the minor on it is not 10%, maybe 5% to both pdt/mdt. I took more damage with tremors than heavens.

Now once you do that and add in the shepherd's chain - 2% you should have 100% pdt. I haven't got that chain yet myself but I assume it would top off the pdt.
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frustrating and expensive is right. failed 2x duo's I'm sure a duo can work alright, solo you just have 0 room for problems. we were both near 100% reductions... 98% and 88% but tarsal slam IGNORES the -pdt completely. or MDT neither work on it at all. If I got to 100% reduction, you could certainly solo, as 1 hp would be enought. there is NO slip damage. so I guess I need that shepherds chain to finish it up.


what -pdt gear you use to get up to 98% or 88% with ducal guard?


Guichard's Axe+2: 10% each
MKE hat 10%
Stout servant: 5%
AF3+1 legs: another ~2%
Shepherd's Chain: 2%
Atma of the heavens: 10%

Comes to 99ish% if you're dual wielding.

Edit: didnt see the reply on new page ><

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#154 Feb 11 2011 at 11:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Ningishzada is soloable, but I wouldn't recommend it. TONS of hp and it takes long enough trio.


Doesn't have much more hp than any other tier 2 NM, it just keeps using pyric bulwhark which is 100% physical resistance. Easily doubles the time it takes to kill it, more so if it uses pyric more than polar bulwhark. (which is 100% magic resist.)

Not worth it to solo him anyway. Jaculus is pretty much unsoloable, so you will want to trigger ningishzada every time for the key item, anyway.

Jaculus by the way, ignores hate. I had literally no hate, (had just snarled in correct range, and didn't use any abilities or spells) and he still kept coming after me. Think it just randomly attacks anyone. 3 fights and I still haven't been able to kill it. Sure it's possible, but getting the wings from gold chests is easier than killing that *******.
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Ningishzada is soloable, but I wouldn't recommend it. TONS of hp and it takes long enough trio.


Doesn't have much more hp than any other tier 2 NM, it just keeps using pyric bulwhark which is 100% physical resistance. Easily doubles the time it takes to kill it, more so if it uses pyric more than polar bulwhark. (which is 100% magic resist.)

Not worth it to solo him anyway. Jaculus is pretty much unsoloable, so you will want to trigger ningishzada every time for the key item, anyway.

Jaculus by the way, ignores hate. I had literally no hate, (had just snarled in correct range, and didn't use any abilities or spells) and he still kept coming after me. Think it just randomly attacks anyone. 3 fights and I still haven't been able to kill it. Sure it's possible, but getting the wings from gold chests is easier than killing that *******.



yeah, I got wings from gold chests. and for the above, Shepherd's chain does complete it for 100%. I just got mine today (finally!!) but another bst who has it was tanking Alfard for 0 physical damage on pet. using DG, Heavens, and RR. then the other above gear.

I have a dark anticipation of tanking Resheph w/ a 1 hp pet :P

It will be quite satisfying


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#156 Feb 13 2011 at 2:43 PM Rating: Good
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I have a dark anticipation of tanking Resheph w/ a 1 hp pet :P

It will be quite satisfying


Please let us know how this goes. <3

I tried this fight a couple of time solo, a few weeks ago, with 100% PDT and shortly after each Tarsal Slam my pet would just drop dead. He was taking 0 dmg from regular attacks when below 50% HP, but after coming down to 1HP the 100% PDT wouldn't stop Nazuna from dying. ; ; Maybe you'll have better luck?

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#157 Feb 14 2011 at 4:03 AM Rating: Good
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Bookmarku wrote:
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I have a dark anticipation of tanking Resheph w/ a 1 hp pet :P

It will be quite satisfying


Please let us know how this goes. <3

I tried this fight a couple of time solo, a few weeks ago, with 100% PDT and shortly after each Tarsal Slam my pet would just drop dead. He was taking 0 dmg from regular attacks when below 50% HP, but after coming down to 1HP the 100% PDT wouldn't stop Nazuna from dying. ; ; Maybe you'll have better luck?

Edited, Feb 13th 2011 3:44pm by Bookmarku



this is very discouraging. I'll have to finish my 2nd pdt axe, or tolerate trying to tank w/ NO, RR.

Can you tell me your build? did it say 0 damage when pet died? or did it tell damage at all in log?
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I didn't see it in the log, so I'm not sure how it happens. ; ;

I've been soloing NMs with this build:

90 BST/DNC
Guichard's Axe+2 (Pet:PDT-10%)/Guichard's Axe+2 (Pet:PDT-10%)/--/Astrolabe
Anwig Salade (Pet:Haste+5%/PDT-10%)/Shepherd's Chain/Moonshade Earring/Brutal Earring
Ferine Gausape +1/Ocelot Gloves/Rajas Ring/Toreador's Ring
Atheling Mantle/Twilight Belt/Ferine Quijotes +2/Aurum Sabatons

Using Lion (Triple Attack/Lightning Attack+/PDT-10%), Ducal Guard, and Razed Ruins...
and I figured Resheph would be another walk in the park, and so it was really confusing when it didn't work out as planned. o_o I have my macros set up so I'm always in PDT gear 100% of the time, so there were no gear swaps that left my pet without max PDT... I just dunno.
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Amhuluk is an easy solo

~40 minute fight
6 Pet Food Zetas
RR/DG/MC Atmas

-10% pdt Axe
-10% dmg Headpiece
Ferine Quijotes +1
Random Acc/Attk Pieces


Wind based attacks will vary from 20 DMG to 300+ but usually on the lower end. Spiral Spin to keep down NMs Accuracy. /DNC with an extra -pdt axe could help but not at all necessary. Never had to wait for Reward. Extremely easy fight, gathering KIs for pop is harder then the NM.
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I didn't see it in the log, so I'm not sure how it happens. ; ;

I've been soloing NMs with this build:

90 BST/DNC
Guichard's Axe+2 (Pet:PDT-10%)/Guichard's Axe+2 (Pet:PDT-10%)/--/Astrolabe
Anwig Salade (Pet:Haste+5%/PDT-10%)/Shepherd's Chain/Moonshade Earring/Brutal Earring
Ferine Gausape +1/Ocelot Gloves/Rajas Ring/Toreador's Ring
Atheling Mantle/Twilight Belt/Ferine Quijotes +2/Aurum Sabatons

Using Lion (Triple Attack/Lightning Attack+/PDT-10%), Ducal Guard, and Razed Ruins...
and I figured Resheph would be another walk in the park, and so it was really confusing when it didn't work out as planned. o_o I have my macros set up so I'm always in PDT gear 100% of the time, so there were no gear swaps that left my pet without max PDT... I just dunno.


Yeah, my friend bst repeated this before I got the chance... I"m complaining to SE. frankly I don't care so much that tarsal slam drops you to 1 hp... its the losing that last 1 hp that bothers me.
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Just went after Turul to see if shasha resisted lighting like yluy does wind, and fargann does water. She most certainly doesn't. He's an utter pussey up until about 50%ish, but then the 400-500 damage spikes show up and the pets don't even do enough damage to kill it via kiting between call beast timers. They'll end up only doing 600ish damage per pet before the spikes kill them and leave you with a 3:30 call beast timer.

Why couldn't he be more cooperative and be wind based like his brother amhuluk? For that matter, why is a visions tier 1 nm so much harder than tier 3's in heros zones?
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Just went after Turul to see if shasha resisted lighting like yluy does wind, and fargann does water. She most certainly doesn't. He's an utter pussey up until about 50%ish, but then the 400-500 damage spikes show up and the pets don't even do enough damage to kill it via kiting between call beast timers. They'll end up only doing 600ish damage per pet before the spikes kill them and leave you with a 3:30 call beast timer.

Why couldn't he be more cooperative and be wind based like his brother amhuluk? For that matter, why is a visions tier 1 nm so much harder than tier 3's in heros zones?



guess I could have posted that bit about shasra not resisting lightning. I noticed that a few weaks ago. I've been meaning to test w/ Clyvonne to see if its a difference between coeurl and lynx. I've been alot more interested in elemental resistance for tanking NM's lately.
On the other hand, the Elemental resist atmas are quite good. You might want to try Atma of the war lion.
I know atma of the frozen fetters was nice for reducing big ice nukes down to below 300 damage range when soloing Cannered Noz. (2nd time wasn't a solo as getting help w/ blu proc is very nice)

I've seen smn using ducal guard duo Turul, but I've not heard of bst doing it. Then again.. if you went for a -mdt approach it is proably doable... or take the LOOOOONNGGG slow fight of DG + WG + MC. I'm pretty sure that will work... eventually. Really tedious though.

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if you are wanting a duo on Turul do bst and blm. Turul gains those stupid shock spikes only after he casts on himself. He only casts the single target Tiered nukes on himself too so if the blm just watches for those spells to stun the bst can kill easy. Just gotta tank the AMs and Gas which isnt so bad with normal SuperPet atmas.

edit: dont know how well it would work to solo with bst/dnc and melee on extreme opposite of pet to be out of Ga range and use dnc stun moves to stop the spikes.

Edited, Feb 16th 2011 8:05am by xTevashx
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I tried Turul yesterday as BST/BLM while doing some quests in the area. Had on DG, RR, and Stronghold. I wasn't totally prepared (only a Healing Salve II and one stack of Zetas), but figured I'd give it a try. I only had two Dippers on me so I opened up with a sheep. Took him down 10% or so before I had to switch over to Yuly. Was going pretty well. I'd let the Aero spells hit and would try to stun any thunder spells I saw.

The spikes did suck and made it difficult. I ended up getting him to about 28% before wiping. I think it's possible to solo. I'm gonna try again in a few days. However, as mentioned, definitely could be done BST and BLM or two BST with at least one as /BLM.

Nonetheless I love the possibilities that have opened up with DG atma!
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I didn't see it in the log, so I'm not sure how it happens. ; ;

I've been soloing NMs with this build:

90 BST/DNC
Guichard's Axe+2 (Pet:PDT-10%)/Guichard's Axe+2 (Pet:PDT-10%)/--/Astrolabe
Anwig Salade (Pet:Haste+5%/PDT-10%)/Shepherd's Chain/Moonshade Earring/Brutal Earring
Ferine Gausape +1/Ocelot Gloves/Rajas Ring/Toreador's Ring
Atheling Mantle/Twilight Belt/Ferine Quijotes +2/Aurum Sabatons

Using Lion (Triple Attack/Lightning Attack+/PDT-10%), Ducal Guard, and Razed Ruins...
and I figured Resheph would be another walk in the park, and so it was really confusing when it didn't work out as planned. o_o I have my macros set up so I'm always in PDT gear 100% of the time, so there were no gear swaps that left my pet without max PDT... I just dunno.


Yeah, my friend bst repeated this before I got the chance... I"m complaining to SE. frankly I don't care so much that tarsal slam drops you to 1 hp... its the losing that last 1 hp that bothers me.



I wonder if it has something to do with SE's use of x/1024 values for percents, like in Haste gear.

Note: all these numbers are made up and are pure speculation.

If 10% = 102/1024, then axes + mke head + heavens = 408
Ducal Guard is 512/1024
Stout Servant is 51 (5%)
Shepherd's Chain is 20/1024


That adds up to 991/1024 or 33 left for Stout Servant + 1 on ferine pants to make up. If it's only 32 or something like that, then it might be possible that logged damage is floored to 0, hence 0 shown in log, whereas damage dealt is ceilinged to 1 causing your pet to die. You would probably never notice 1 hp loss anywhere except at 1 hp left. Maybe if you were able to get your pet hit with a physical move > 1024 damage you could see this in the log, I don't know.

Have you tried using Pet Food Poultice to keep a Regen on the pet at all times? Maybe it'll help get the pet above that 1 hp quick enough.
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Did my first tests on -100% PDT setup last night. Only used swift sieghard. Started with atma of the lion to go with DG and Lusca was hitting for 0. After that I went to check on Hedjet, but it wasn't up. This would be a nice test for Blados theory since it can do 1024+ damage moves.

Next I went to misarux coast and used atma of the zenith and farmed VNM tier 1 and 2 and they were hitting for 0. Zenith is -DT so my MDT set is at 83%. The -ga 4s from tier 2 were hitting for around 210-260 damage. It was no probablem keeping up with a couple of zeta foods. One thing I realized was that the regen effect on zeta food reward could be a problem if pet regens above 50% against something like hedjet and gets 1-shot before it's below 50% again.

I also ran into ironclad severer and it was hitting for 0 incl. balistic kick. I didn't fight it for long since it wasn√łt my intention to kill it.

At first I changed all my macroes so I wouldn't switch out any PDT/MDT/DT gear at all. But after doing tier 2 VNM last night I think I'll change that again so I switch out any PDT gear and only use reward while mobs are casting.
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Xilk wrote:
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I didn't see it in the log, so I'm not sure how it happens. ; ;

I've been soloing NMs with this build:

90 BST/DNC
Guichard's Axe+2 (Pet:PDT-10%)/Guichard's Axe+2 (Pet:PDT-10%)/--/Astrolabe
Anwig Salade (Pet:Haste+5%/PDT-10%)/Shepherd's Chain/Moonshade Earring/Brutal Earring
Ferine Gausape +1/Ocelot Gloves/Rajas Ring/Toreador's Ring
Atheling Mantle/Twilight Belt/Ferine Quijotes +2/Aurum Sabatons

Using Lion (Triple Attack/Lightning Attack+/PDT-10%), Ducal Guard, and Razed Ruins...
and I figured Resheph would be another walk in the park, and so it was really confusing when it didn't work out as planned. o_o I have my macros set up so I'm always in PDT gear 100% of the time, so there were no gear swaps that left my pet without max PDT... I just dunno.


Yeah, my friend bst repeated this before I got the chance... I"m complaining to SE. frankly I don't care so much that tarsal slam drops you to 1 hp... its the losing that last 1 hp that bothers me.



I wonder if it has something to do with SE's use of x/1024 values for percents, like in Haste gear.

Note: all these numbers are made up and are pure speculation.

If 10% = 102/1024, then axes + mke head + heavens = 408
Ducal Guard is 512/1024
Stout Servant is 51 (5%)
Shepherd's Chain is 20/1024


That adds up to 991/1024 or 33 left for Stout Servant + 1 on ferine pants to make up. If it's only 32 or something like that, then it might be possible that logged damage is floored to 0, hence 0 shown in log, whereas damage dealt is ceilinged to 1 causing your pet to die. You would probably never notice 1 hp loss anywhere except at 1 hp left. Maybe if you were able to get your pet hit with a physical move > 1024 damage you could see this in the log, I don't know.

Have you tried using Pet Food Poultice to keep a Regen on the pet at all times? Maybe it'll help get the pet above that 1 hp quick enough.


the thought occured to me. should be able to aim for 101% -pdt if this is the case. This one is actually not hard at all to accomplish. I'll run another test. I'll need to get solid numbers on atma of the earth wyrm and atma of tremors. I've already heard tremors is <10% not sure on earth wyrm. I would not be surprised if they are different.

probably need some more emperador de altepa triggers just to test. Cuijatender is just so not fun.

btw Resheph IS duoable by bst... but its a pain. you can still die the same way as a solo. but its easierto keep a pet alive beyond tarsal slam if he switches targest after and doesn't AoE.

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guess I could have posted that bit about shasra not resisting lightning. I noticed that a few weaks ago. I've been meaning to test w/ Clyvonne to see if its a difference between coeurl and lynx. I've been alot more interested in elemental resistance for tanking NM's lately.


Just wanted to throw out that Clyvonne is not resistant to lightning either. Found this out rather quickly when going toe to toe with Gration. Thank goodness he is easy to kite.
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Ningishzada is soloable, but I wouldn't recommend it. TONS of hp and it takes long enough trio.


Doesn't have much more hp than any other tier 2 NM, it just keeps using pyric bulwhark which is 100% physical resistance. Easily doubles the time it takes to kill it, more so if it uses pyric more than polar bulwhark. (which is 100% magic resist.)

Not worth it to solo him anyway. Jaculus is pretty much unsoloable, so you will want to trigger ningishzada every time for the key item, anyway.

Jaculus by the way, ignores hate. I had literally no hate, (had just snarled in correct range, and didn't use any abilities or spells) and he still kept coming after me. Think it just randomly attacks anyone. 3 fights and I still haven't been able to kill it. Sure it's possible, but getting the wings from gold chests is easier than killing that *******.



Um..... I soloed this NM in a little over ~30 mins. After pull I unintentionally positioned my pet by his hind legs. The only move it used was Serpentine Tail... I never once saw any other TP attacks. I may have been incredibly lucky or this NM only uses that one attack if you fight it from that particular position. Got KI and a BLU body seals for my troubles.
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Um..... I soloed this NM in a little over ~30 mins. After pull I unintentionally positioned my pet by his hind legs. The only move it used was Serpentine Tail... I never once saw any other TP attacks. I may have been incredibly lucky or this NM only uses that one attack if you fight it from that particular position. Got KI and a BLU body seals for my troubles.


I tried to do that, but he turned around to face yuly after every serpentine tail for some reason. So I just said **** it.
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Um..... I soloed this NM in a little over ~30 mins. After pull I unintentionally positioned my pet by his hind legs. The only move it used was Serpentine Tail... I never once saw any other TP attacks. I may have been incredibly lucky or this NM only uses that one attack if you fight it from that particular position. Got KI and a BLU body seals for my troubles.


I tried to do that, but he turned around to face yuly after every serpentine tail for some reason. So I just said @#%^ it.



Alfard and Ningishzada are both soloable and only use serpentine tail when tanking from behind. just takes along time. and Alfard turning around is more iritating I think.

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Speaking of Clyvonne not resisting lightning, are any of the pets besides Fatso and Dipper resistance to any elements? It sure would be nice to have more element-resistance pets.
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I tried to do that, but he turned around to face yuly after every serpentine tail for some reason. So I just said @#%^ it.


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Alfard and Ningishzada are both soloable and only use serpentine tail when tanking from behind. just takes along time. and Alfard turning around is more iritating I think.


Serpentine Tail has additional effect Dispel and Knock-Back. Most likely The knock-Back effect pushed Yuly out of range and cause The NM to turn around to chase after your Pet. When I fought this NM there was a wall close behind me and my pet. Pet never got pushed out of combat range so Ningishzada never turned around. The knock-back effect is not noted on wiki for some reason but I believe someone mentions it in the discussions. Once you get the position down it should be smooth sailing.

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Speaking of Clyvonne not resisting lightning, are any of the pets besides Fatso and Dipper resistance to any elements? It sure would be nice to have more element-resistance pets.


funguar 50% dark resist. very nice.
I have this impression that the lizards will be more fire resistant.. but I haven't tested..
also sheep is weak against fire, so thats probably 1/2 the reason.


mandragora strogn toward light.
tigers strong toward ice (none at high levels though)

ahh... looks like raptors are strong to fire, probably where I was getting confused.

gonna want to test them, its not a guarentee... I'm only sure about yuly, fargann, and louise.



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Soloed Ika-Roa with fatso with -100% PDT and -83% MDT. Waterja and -ga 4s were only scratching fatso. Didn't need any pet food. But rather long fight solo so only did a couple. Returned later with a BLM and SCH.
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Stout Servant Bst trait = 5%
Guichard's Axe+2 x 2 = -20%
Anwig Salade = -10%
Shepherd's Chain = -2%
Ferine Quijotes -2%

Atma of the Lion = -10%
Atma of the Ducal Guard (below pet 50% HP) = -50%
Atma of the RR = 0% (DD atma)

This is at 99%, what am i missing? Lol.
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