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#1 Feb 23 2004 at 11:39 AM Rating: Decent
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I am a lvl 40 Ranger using a bow, and my question deals with the attack stat. Obviously there is a difference between attack and ranged attack, because our equipment shows those differing stats. But, when we use berserk, which boosts attack, we see a huge increase in our ranged damage. The same can be said for the mithkabobs, and i believe the attack up song bards use.

So, are these items also boosting ranged attack? or does food/song/equip that boosts regular attack also figure into our ranged damage?

I am mainly curious if an item like the combat caster's mitts or the sword belt would increase damage. anyone have any experience with those items?

Thanks for the insight
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#2 Feb 23 2004 at 11:53 AM Rating: Decent
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ok so far this is what i can tell...

+ to attack and accuracy works for both ranged and melee.

now this is for equipment and special abilitys like beserk or using food. although the attack stat in your equipment screen does not reflect this proborly because it shows your attack for the melee wepon and the attack includes the skill with that wepon, so what i doe to figure out what my attack would be is to equip a melee wepon with a skill of 0 and see what my attack is with that, next i add my wepon skill with a bow and then any stats you actual melee wepon adds and then you have your bow attack.

now this is just what i think and the evadence seems to back it up.
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#3 Feb 23 2004 at 12:24 PM Rating: Decent
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So is the thinking both +attack and +ranged attack would help my dammage with a bow? if that is the case, SE really should do a better job explaining what the difference is.

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#4 Feb 23 2004 at 1:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, this discussion we had here in another post not too long ago.

First, to be clear, +ATTK is only for melee and +R-Attk is only for Ranged Weapons.

Where I believe there IS confusion on the matter is that they are obviously BOTH tied to STR, and in such, having STR gear will mutually benefit both stats.

I haven't heard otherwise yet, and thus I've heard that our DMG is a result of factors BOTH in STR and +RNG-ATTK. So boosting either one of these stats will help increase our numbers.

On the other hand, getting +ATTK gear will not....unless you wanted to hit a little more with our piddly dagger(s).

This is as far as I've gathered from many opinions :)
#5 Feb 23 2004 at 2:13 PM Rating: Decent
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This would mean that berserk also adds +ranged attack then, correct? It certainly doesn't add STR.

This whole thing confuses me. when i get home from work, i'm going to find a cheap piece of +attack equipment and go out and play.

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#6 Feb 23 2004 at 2:48 PM Rating: Decent
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I believe that any buff that adds to attack (Berserk, Warcry, Food, Minuet, etc) also adds to ranged attack. +attack items shouldn't do anything for your ranged attack, and neither should +accuracy items or else the bone ring line wouldn't make any sense.
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#7 Feb 23 2004 at 2:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Yes, that Berserk throws the running idea for a loop doesn't it? For that I have no answer yet... one can only draw 2 possible conclusions from Berserk:

1) Either Berserk has a percentage based increased to BOTH ATTK and +RNG-ATTK. Which as far as I can tell, nobody says it does. But I doubt anybody's sure about it aside from the developers....all I know is that it works.

2) OR, as was argued here before, +ATTK DOES play a factor in our damage.

All I say is that when I look for gear, I prioritize RNG-ACC, AGI, STR, RNG-ATTK, DEF, ATTK, in that order...
#8 Feb 23 2004 at 3:02 PM Rating: Decent
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SE could have saved us so much heart ache if they just put in a damned R-Acc and R-Attk stat that we can see. Would have been handy.
#9 Feb 23 2004 at 4:09 PM Rating: Decent
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strange , i guess i well find out in a few days when i get a sword belt, if +att effects range damage i will notice it then
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#10 Feb 23 2004 at 4:12 PM Rating: Decent
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i think i have a fang necklace lying around from my days as a warrior. i will play with this tonight.
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#11 Feb 23 2004 at 4:59 PM Rating: Decent
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I already checked: att is independent with ratt. I tested with beetle earings +3 att each.

The rng necklace is the best necklace. Peacock is arguably better sometimes.
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#12 Feb 23 2004 at 6:13 PM Rating: Decent
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Then Mithkabobs must increase Attack and Ranged Attack, and Berzerk must also too. Makes sense.
#13 Feb 24 2004 at 5:05 AM Rating: Decent
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Kamena said:
All I say is that when I look for gear, I prioritize RNG-ACC, AGI, STR, RNG-ATTK, DEF, ATTK, in that order...


Kamena, I'm curious as to why you prefer boosting strength over ranged attack. For attack at least, 2 str = 1 att, so I would assume that it is the same ratio for ranged attack. So, wouldn't that mean that boosting ranged attack is more important than strength, for more dmg for your bow? Or, do you use axes or something and rely on your ranged dmg and your melee dmg? Not a personal attack or anything, just curious. :)

#14 Feb 24 2004 at 10:21 AM Rating: Decent
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Thanks for looking into this guys. Guess i'll save my mone/cp on the combat caster's mitts and swordbelt since they won't do anything usefull !!

Go rangers!

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#15 Feb 24 2004 at 1:23 PM Rating: Decent
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Kamena, I'm curious as to why you prefer boosting strength over ranged attack. For attack at least, 2 str = 1 att


You know, I was looking at that myself after I typed it and was thinking the same thing...yeah, I'd say maybe RNG-ATTK should be more favorable then STR when it comes down to it.

I'd probably only venture to say probably STR gear is a little bit more available to find and probably more versatile if you switch between classes...at least that's how I've felt.
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