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#1 Feb 17 2004 at 10:01 PM Rating: Good
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Yes, I realize that Rangers are the most expensive class. I plan on doing Ranger, so I've taken up a Craftskill (Cooking), at level 6, but I'll have it to 30-40 by the end of the week. Now, at what point to Rangers start to get expensive? I mean, am I going to be shelling out 10k+ a day while I'm in the dunes, or can I survive on maybe 1-2k a day at that point? I realize that by level 50, I'll be spending ~100k a day or so, but still, I'm not sure if I should start anything before I have a healthy reserve of gil built up.
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#2 Feb 17 2004 at 10:45 PM Rating: Good
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Price to buy a stack of iron arrows: 700-800 gil.
Price to craft a stack of scorpion arrows: 700-800 gil. Even buying them is only 1500 or so.

Even using silver bullets or demon arrows at high level won't cost you 100k a day (unless you level 6 hours a day or something). Ranger doesn't get significantly more expensive - it's a myth. Generally, I'd say 2 stacks of arrows an hour is a good guess, which ends up being 1500/hr. Depending on how many hours you play a day, you might be looking at 10k a day. Definitely more than 1-2k though.
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#3 Feb 17 2004 at 11:20 PM Rating: Good
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Arrows aren't really that expensive, 4 hours of farming in the right places and you can end up with over 4000 silver arrows, which will last a long long time.

The real problem is top notch equipment, especially past lvl 30. Bows and +AGI item's are mucho gil. And if you want to be the best, there are a few NM drops you need and multiple 20k+ items to buy. If you start getting things in advance it makes life much easier (i.e grab a Hunters Longbow from the NM, it's an easy drop, buy a power bow +1, save your +AGI gear, etc).

After I get Leaping Boots/Emperor Hairpin I have maybe 40k to spend on armor/weapons total before lvl 30.


Just make sure you know how/where to farm and 4 hours farming can last you 10+ hours of gaming.
#4 Feb 18 2004 at 12:03 AM Rating: Good
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I'm at lvl 53 almost 54. So far i spent 20k in gils on arrows and still 3k from lvling. At 55-60 it will cost about 40k of gils a lvl
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#5 Feb 18 2004 at 12:18 AM Rating: Decent
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Really not as expensive as I thought, all I had to go off of was the estimates of two rangers I know.
Thanks for the help, guess I'll check it out once I relevel my Whm.
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#6 Feb 18 2004 at 1:23 AM Rating: Good
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uhhh... 40k a lvl is not much for you, penny?

It's about 20-30k a lvl for at lvl 45+.

You don't want to take advice from ppl who melee 2-3 times before they shoot an arrow or from ppl who arent even a rng.
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#7 Feb 18 2004 at 6:55 AM Rating: Good
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hmm I disagree with the above post... as a level 44 Ranger if I get in a good group every level from 44-50 I will spend about 5-7k a level in arrows.
#8 Feb 18 2004 at 10:28 AM Rating: Good
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5-7k a lvl at mid 40s? i suggest you stop using Iron Arrows.
#9 Feb 18 2004 at 11:34 AM Rating: Good
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I was leveling last night in Kazham from level 26-28. I know for a fact that I used 800 iron arrows and 500 silver arrows. I bought the iron arrows for 800 a stack and the silver for 1300 a stack. That 3600 for iron and 6500 for silver. I do just about nothing but keep the arrows flying. Many times I pulled the aggro off the paladin we had because he was using defender and his hits and provoke were too weak to stop my 50-75hp regular hits and 100+ WS hits. I can't wait to turn 30 so i can get continuous shot hehe. 10.1k is what I spent for that level. I had armour from my warrior that I put on at level 27 (Brass Scale Mail) and that is the only change I made. I use beetle earrings and rings and rangers necklace of course and hunters longbow till level 30. I really need to hit 29 so I can try out the horn arrows. The silver arrows didn't impress me much.
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#10 Feb 18 2004 at 11:46 AM Rating: Good
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I'm at lv20 therefor I do not have much experience as a ranger. But right now I am spending about 4k per lvl on iron arrows. I farm about 20k a day so it's ok. And for the eq I have now I haven't spent all that much, it's decent but not the best (for my lvl -.-).

And I have a question aswell! I remember reading somewhere +ranged accuracy > +agi. Is it correct that 2 agi = 1 ranged accuracy?

So I bought bone rings +1 instead of reflex rings or whatever they are called (the +2 agi rings). I found it a good bargain since the +1 bone rings are 2k each and +3 ranged accuracy and agi rings +2 agi 15k each. And at lv 35 you get +3 agi earrings sooo I figured I might aswell get beetle rings then instead aswell? Please tell me, did I make a good choice~~ Some feedback if possible, not just flaming. Thank you!^_^d
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#11 Feb 18 2004 at 12:10 PM Rating: Good
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Yes, whenever possible, boost your RAcc before your AGI. The reason why the AGI rings cost so much is because RAcc isn't the only thing included in the AGI package. Not too many other classes will use RAcc, but many more will need the AGI (THF and NIN just to name a few for the Evasion).

So yes, you made the right decision. =)
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#12 Feb 18 2004 at 12:39 PM Rating: Good
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Buying Scorpion Arrows at the Jeuno AH runs me about 2300-2500/stack. I went through about 12 stacks of arrows yesterday going from lv41-44. Comes out to ~10k a lvl at this point.

I understand its much cheaper if you make your own arrows, so it would be a good investment, as if you dont use the arrows you make you can sell them and turn a profit.

One thing is for sure, you can't play a Ranger without some source of income that you are handy with. You will find as you level that your gilpile just continually shrinks, and without said source of income you soon won't be able to afford your top quality RNG gear. From 220k, leveling from 41-44 has taken me down to 150k, inclusive of arrow, food, and upcoming equipment costs.
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#13 Feb 18 2004 at 1:42 PM Rating: Good
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I think counting arrow output on a "per level" basis is somewhat faulty...although I can understand it's just a broad benchmark to go by.

Here's why I think so... you can be killing the same IT Mob, shooting the same number of arrows...but that MOB can give you anywhere between 60xp - 200xp depending on how your PT is structured.

Obviously the more efficient your PT is, the more even your levels, the higher the Mob is, the less arrows *per level* you consume.

I think a *per hour* comparison is easier to quantify. In which case I agree that 2 stacks per hour is about what I consume too...give or take a stack.
#14 Feb 18 2004 at 1:54 PM Rating: Decent
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Obviously the more efficient your PT is, the more even your levels, the higher the Mob is, the less arrows *per level* you consume.


You sir, are 100% correct IMO. +10 points to you :).

Sorry I cannot add any info to this thread because I feel it is very difficult to judge arrow useage. Different Rangers use different amounts of arrows.

IMO a Ranger should be firing just enough to not be taking hate all the time. Having the mob run after you every couple fights or so is ok but you shouldn't be taking aggro like a Paladin.

The opposite is true also. If the MOB hasn't even looked at you once for the past hour then you should pick up your rate of fire and lay it on them alittle more.

The 2 stacks an hour rule is probably the most acurrate measure I have seen so far. Arrow prices vary on all of the servers so your gonna have to look at your servers AH and make the estimate yourself.

Personally I don't worry about the price anymore. I make money and I spend it on arrows. I fight as long as I can and once Im out its back to making more gil.

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Personally I don't worry about the price anymore. I make money and I spend it on arrows. I fight as long as I can and once Im out its back to making more gil.


Erm, that statement gets me a little worried. You should _always_ be worried about the price of arrows. If a stack of Scorpion Arrows are 1.8k in SdO, and 2.4k in Jeuno, I'll definitely wait the additional 5 minutes to have a buddy of mine pick some up for me. Did this last night, and saved 3.6k just by asking my party to be a little patient with me.

Also, as a Ranger, I feel that you should _never_ get to the point where you are out of money (except maybe when you're saving up for the Eurytos? Bow or Strider Boots, or some other ridiculously priced piece of equipment). You must have the mentality that you need to farm more often, and you shouldn't have to farm 100k at a time. Making 10-20k every other night before/after leveling is a much better way to go IMHO, and it doesn't get you to the point where you feel like you have to make money just to continue leveling.
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#16 Feb 18 2004 at 4:14 PM Rating: Decent
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I am 42 Rng and 58 in Woodworking and I would guess I go through 2-3 stacks of arrows an hour. Not bad when Scorpion Arrows cost about 900-1k a stack to make. But at 50 I am going to guns and Silver Bullets on Gilgamesh are 10k a stack so at 2 stacks an hour that is easily 100k a day xping. Gonna be tough to do that unless Woodworking starts turning me some better profits. Right now Scorpion Arrows are the only thing I can really make money off of and it is very little. And if 1 stack does not sell on the Jeuno AH I lose 500 gil I paid to put up. For instance I had 5 stacks up when they were 2200 a stack. Then like 2 hours later they were 2000 and mine never sold. Lost 2500 gil from that. Makes it risky to sell on the Jeuno AH but that is the only place they sell consistently.
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#17 Feb 18 2004 at 5:35 PM Rating: Good
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On Laskimi server or what ever its call, the price of scorpion arrows has dropped from 2500 to 1600-1800 gils. If it was still 2500 i would be spending 30k-40k a lvl. I used 12-14 stack a lvl. But with a good PT it is less.
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#18 Feb 18 2004 at 7:09 PM Rating: Decent
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Erm, that statement gets me a little worried.


I meant paying for arrows doesn't bother me anymore. I don't look of it as losing money anymore. I look of it as gaining playing time.

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If a stack of Scorpion Arrows are 1.8k in SdO, and 2.4k in Jeuno, I'll definitely wait the additional 5 minutes to have a buddy of mine pick some up for me. Did this last night, and saved 3.6k just by asking my party to be a little patient with me.


Lucky you. Arrows are rarely put up for sale in Sandoria, Bastok, or Windhurst on my server. You will find maybe 2 stacks every real life week in those cities. On the other hand we have a steady flow of Scorpion arrows at Jueno. Always 2000 a stack also.
#19 Feb 19 2004 at 3:20 PM Rating: Decent
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ok, i'm a complete newb. i'm a hume 18war/8thf. my question is how the **** do you guys farm 20k a day? someone said he's lvl 20 and farms 20k a day. i read others saying that also.

how does one accomplish this?
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It really isn't that hard to farm around 20k/hour. Take a lvl 15 THF to Tahrongi or East (West even) Sarutabaruta and kill :

Crawlers - Silk Thread x12 = 10-12k (on Diabolos)
Mandragoras - Saruta Cotton (stolen) x12 - 4k
Bees - Beehive Chip x12 - 3-3.5k, Honey x12 - 1-1.2k

In Tahrongi, you can also kill Wind Elementals for Wind Clusters, which I believe are 1.7k a piece. It's pretty easy to farm around that much with a lvl 15 THF (Treasure Hunter). I can't wait to see if drop rate increases with TH2 (lvl 45, only 12 more levels to go!).

You just need to know where to farm and what to kill. I've heard mining/logging can also make lots of cash, but havn't taken the time to try it myself. If you look through posts on the main forums there are lots of threads on how to successfully make money. But once you find out how, everyone else jumps on the band wagon (everyone has their secrets ;).
#21 Feb 19 2004 at 4:56 PM Rating: Decent
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I feel rangers are expensive based on how much damage you truly want to do. I think ninjas are still more expensive. I am currently lvl 48 and I use all sorts of weapons, ie: bow, crossbow and guns. It gets expensive buying the ammo for them. Trust me... but I want to be the most effective ranger in my party so I have been buying scorpion arrows, all elemental arrows (for different mobs), holy bolts(light damage) blood bolts (for soloing purposes+ hp drain). I managed to lvl my marksmanship in one day from lvl 42 to lvl 113. It was well worth it, and I cant wait to hit higher lvls to get the silver bullets and darksteel bolts hehe I have a friend that can synth those for me :D but in battles i still do more damage than anyone with simple iron or even horn arrows. Plus they are pretty cheap. Im glad alot of ppl enjoy being ranger, :) good luck

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#22 Feb 20 2004 at 7:10 PM Rating: Decent
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I do just about nothing but keep the arrows flying. Many times I pulled the aggro off the paladin we had because he was using defender and his hits and provoke were too weak to stop my 50-75hp regular hits and 100+ WS hits.


Except PLDs don't get Defender until level 50....
#23 Feb 20 2004 at 11:34 PM Rating: Decent
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I have no idea how I get by with my arrows but I do. I'm always low on gil, using silver/horn/sleep arrows drain my wallet like crazy. But hey.. I'm having fun in the process. I spend 10-20k per level, depending on efficiency.
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#24 Feb 21 2004 at 3:36 PM Rating: Decent
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haha i can get a 99 iron arrows for 99 gil
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#25 Feb 21 2004 at 11:22 PM Rating: Decent
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silver bullets are about 9k per stack........
must use after lvl50

and lv60 arrows is kinda expensive......

in my view: boost your Racc. and buy most powerful bow (even longer delay), it will save you *a little bit* on ammo money and gives you nice number to look at ^^ current record 1995 ^^
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#26 Feb 22 2004 at 1:12 AM Rating: Decent
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let me guess you used 2hr on poor defenseless rabbit :) thats always fun to do.
#27 Feb 22 2004 at 1:22 AM Rating: Decent
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normal WS on Dark Spark, the bomb for AF glove~ i dont know the english name of the quest~ if u know what i mean ^^
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