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#1 Jan 21 2004 at 8:42 PM Rating: Good
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'ello everyone... I just quit EQ and am about to start up FFXI. Ive been wanting to play a taru, but the class I have yet to decide. The classes I have been toying with are Ranger/Thief (eventually and preferablly), Thief/Ninja, and Dragoon/samurai. Can any of these work with a Taru? And don't give me crap like "any class works with any race if you really want to do it" ;-). Just tell me flat out- will I be at a severe disadvantage? If so I guess I'll just play a summoner or something. I don't want to play a beastmaster. I played a druid in EQ (seems like the equivalent; solo class) And I couldnt get a group or progress at all in the later levels very well=/.

hopefully I will have the game soon =D. my friends are getting me a world pass to the pheonix server, so I'll se you around if you play there.
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#2 Jan 21 2004 at 10:21 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, you didn't want to hear it...but it IS true. Any class works with any race...flat out.

I've seen uber Elvaan classes with more MP then Taru....

I've seen uber Taru melee NIN characters who can tank just as good as PLDs....

Unlike EQ, equipment really DOES give you options in this game such that you aren't trapped into one committed class...it's just a matter of time and money. Which are actually tied together really.

People pay a premium in FFXI for every point of AGI, DEF, ATK, etc because each point really DOES make a noticable difference to performance. It isn't like EQ where you can add a 5 INT item and see only a 5 pt gain in mana or something negligable like that.

In the beginning stages of the game, yes....it would probably make it more difficult to play a Taru melee character. They're brittle as **** because they don't have a lot of HPs. You'd be at a severe disadvantage at first. But they look hella cool as melee. :)
#3 Jan 21 2004 at 11:03 PM Rating: Default
I disagree with the above poster; I don't think he know what he is talking about. Race does make a difference, albeit a small one compare to good equipments just like EQ. Equipment does make the most difference, but if you want to be uber, than you have to consider the race.

Rng/thf is a very expensive class. For rng, I think every race will work. Taru has good agility but very weak str, so I would rather play mithra instead if you want to be a ranger. Elves and Galka would also work and is probably the best races for ranger imo. Simply becuase you have access to bunch of +range accuracy equipments later on, but nearly no +range attackAnd +one point or two points of stats dont make that big of a difference.

I think mithra would be a good choice for thf, or do elves or Galka for rng or drg.
#4 Jan 22 2004 at 5:05 AM Rating: Decent
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All three of your job combinations can work with a taru, though ranger is a bit dangerous. Thieves don't take aggro because they get trick attack; dragoons can shed aggro with jumps, and 1/3rd of their damage comes from the dragon that doesn't share any aggro with you. With ranger, however, the huge damage that you do is going to attract attention every now and then. With a good tank, you'll rarely get hit, but it's pretty common for me to take one or two after a lucky barrage or high damage skillchain. The problem with this is a fair number of mob types have abilities that can kill a taru instantly (bee final string, exoray silence gas, scorpion death scissors, bomb explode, etc). It'll be rare, but you'll probably be mad when it does happen. ;)
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#5 Jan 22 2004 at 11:02 AM Rating: Decent
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enphasis on the "good" tank comment..anything less and you WILL get hit as a ranger unless you hold back loads of damage, beastmasters are kinda like enchanters/mage..in the sense of rely on pet to do your damage and if you charmed em kill it afterwards. taru isn't good for the ranger class, for dragoon you'll lack damage being a taru, your best bet is to be a caster as a taru for they're bonus mp's about 1/3 compared to a hume or elvaan I believe.
Others will disagree but I believe taru should be where they are best casters. Albeit the tarurai (samurai) now and then. but even they tank like girl scouts.
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#6 Jan 22 2004 at 2:58 PM Rating: Decent
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Drizzt? Name sounds familiar....graffe.com poster? (LimDul)

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I disagree with the above poster; I don't think he know what he is talking about. Race does make a difference, albeit a small one compare to good equipments just like EQ. Equipment does make the most difference, but if you want to be uber, than you have to consider the race.


I like how you go about disagreeing with me but then go about confirming everything I just said. /scratch. Every race comes with inherant advantages and disadvantages that *work* in some form or another towards your job of choice. You say so in your own post Mr Anonymous.
#7 Jan 22 2004 at 3:38 PM Rating: Default
You said any class will work with any race, which is flat out untrue.
#8 Jan 22 2004 at 4:59 PM Rating: Decent
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You said any class will work with any race, which is flat out untrue.


Is this the same poster? I don't understand posting Anonymously...how can good class discussions be argued and discussed without names to actually respond to? oh well...whatever.

Look, I'm not in disagreement with you...race make a difference. My AGI and DEX is on any given time 10 pts higher then my friends who are equivalent job and level as Humes and Elvaan.

No doubt..this will make a difference. I'm not suggesting that.

However, these same Hume and Elvaan players can easily buy AGI and DEX equipment to match mine, while I can probably do the same with STR equipment.

I partied with a HUME BLM once...the natural thought is "that must suck because they don't have enough mana". But you know what? The tradeoff is that this HUME could take more hits then a Taru if he ever drew hate. It turned out to be a successful night. There is something to be said of being a non-optimized template character.

It sounds like you played EQ but perhaps not very long? Aside from the fact it's mechanically impossible to switch classes in that game, I wouldn't expect to my Wizard to suddenly equip a sword to do melee and live to talk about it....

It's also the case in EQ where you can somewhat get by with inferior equipment... you can struggle for months to camp for uber gear that will earn you enough mana for an extra nuke or two. It came to the point where players would calculate numbers down to the point where they could say "I bought all this uber gear so that I can do 10 more damage on my nukes then an Enchanter". Whooptedooo! :P

The original poster was thinking from the mindset of an EQ player...something all of us ex-EQ players did. My entire guild migrated over. EQ became more work then it was fun...

FFXI is EQ-lite. And that's what I wanted to suggest to the original poster. You can go any way you like and get by with equipment that will accomidate and adjust for your weaknesses. Equipment that won't take 5 years to get either :)

Edited, Thu Jan 22 17:00:28 2004 by Kamena
#9 Jan 22 2004 at 5:04 PM Rating: Good
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Ouch mixed replies >--@_@--> ... hmmm I guess what Im really asking is: will I get a severe disadvantage in the later levels being a tauru ranger or other melee? I am willing to endure through the lower levels being a lesser character, if my hardwork pays off in the later levels. Im not looking to be the best possible, but I don't want groups to overlook me simply because I have a poor race/class combination. If it absolutely can not be anywhere near as good as the others, I may just pay for two characters and have a mithra-ranger and a taru-caster. However, I'd still really like a taru ranger ---- http://studentweb.stcloudstate.edu/smro9901/images/ranger/tarum.jpg you can't say thats not the coolest thing ever =P lol

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EQ became more work then it was fun...


lol thats exactly what I told my guild when I quit (btw I played for about 1.75 years =0. I just leveled really slow because I had some bug that kicked me out of the program every now and then - not linkdeath-- I never lag. I guess lvl 59 is admirable though.)

thanks a bunch for your replys Kamena. I may just go with the taru after all unless someone else manages to sway my view. all these contradicting posts are confusing lol ^_^


Edited, Thu Jan 22 17:19:02 2004 by LeeKillsword

Edited, Thu Jan 22 17:20:35 2004 by LeeKillsword
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#10 Jan 22 2004 at 5:12 PM Rating: Decent
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I am of two minds on this.

First of all, it really is true what they say. "It's all about fun, play what you want, yada yada yada." If you want to play a taru warrior, then go for it.

BUT, one of my complaints about this game vs. EQ is exactly this one. Race/Class compatibility. When you first start the game, you'll likely know very little about race specialties, other than the obvious (taru=mage, galka=melee). If you pick the wrong race, you really will be penalized. As you progress the difference becomes more significant, not less. Groups DO pass over Taru warriors in favor of better suited races.

So, play what you want. It really is just a game.

But, if you're a power gamer, you really should put some thought into picking a race more suited to your preferred job.

(I picked Hume btw, so I'm kinda mediocre at everything, but I can try just about any job and do pretty well)
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#11 Jan 22 2004 at 6:19 PM Rating: Decent
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When you first start the game, you'll likely know very little about race specialties, other than the obvious (taru=mage, galka=melee). If you pick the wrong race, you really will be penalized. As you progress the difference becomes more significant, not less. Groups DO pass over Taru warriors in favor of better suited races.


Ok, with this statement I absolutely agree...

Of the players who I've notice who have unusual job and race combos....ALL of them have been Japanese players who have the experience and money to pull it off.

And most likely, it's their 7th or 8th build of the same character so they know exactly what they are doing.
#12 Jan 22 2004 at 8:23 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, I play a taru rng/nin as my main and I have no issues with reguard to my class. Its expensive to upkeep, but I took nin as a sub to augment my lower hp and for some additional agi. Although taru's don't make the statisticially best rangers, they enjoy enough advantages that a party at any level won't bypass you because of your race (which is what I think you were asking).
Other choices like galka, on the otherhand, might experience party problems at higher lvls.

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Edited, Thu Jan 22 20:23:52 2004 by Tantrin
#13 Jan 27 2004 at 9:33 AM Rating: Decent
ill say this

i find to maintain not drawing agro nearly every shot i usually have to downgrade to arrows of a lower lvl, so id say a taru RNG would be very viable yes he wont do as much damage as other race RNGs but he will draw less agro. not a bad thing imo.

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Edited, Tue Jan 27 09:33:59 2004 by SinisterMystery
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