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#1 Jul 22 2011 at 10:28 AM Rating: Decent
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So I had this "vision", if you will, of doing a darkness self skillchain with scythe. I researched the necessary weapon skills: (Nightmare Scythe, Vorpal Scythe, Crossreaper). Obviously for this I'd be subbing sam for Sekkanoki and meditate. But heres the issue I'm running into...

As drk/sam Sekkanoki only gives 60 tp and absorb tp casts too slowly to complete a chain in time.

Has anyone found a way of making this work? Because if this is possible, you can easily burst the skillchain and it would be an awesome display of drk power and a handy solo tool if you need to do a lot of damage in a short amount of time.

Any thoughts and input would be welcome. Thanks :)
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#2 Jul 22 2011 at 12:36 PM Rating: Good
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Amaranthia88 wrote:
So I had this "vision", if you will, of doing a darkness self skillchain with scythe. I researched the necessary weapon skills: (Nightmare Scythe, Vorpal Scythe, Crossreaper). Obviously for this I'd be subbing sam for Sekkanoki and meditate. But heres the issue I'm running into...

As drk/sam Sekkanoki only gives 60 tp and absorb tp casts too slowly to complete a chain in time.

Has anyone found a way of making this work? Because if this is possible, you can easily burst the skillchain and it would be an awesome display of drk power and a handy solo tool if you need to do a lot of damage in a short amount of time.

Any thoughts and input would be welcome. Thanks :)

yea it works, just 200 TP sekkanoki Quietus > Quietus

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#3 Jul 22 2011 at 1:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Finuve wrote:
Quietus > Quietus

This, and yes Absorb-TP is fast enough if your timing is precise and you have Empy hands to get enough back.

Also, you need to check your mechanics. Meditate gives you 60tp over ten seconds or whatever, Sekkanoki makes your next WS only use 100tp. Sekka is the self-SC tool.

There is no other Scythe -> Scythe combo that does Darkness though. You can close a level 1 'Compression' with Nightmare Scythe. This is not Darkness and will be weak as worthless.
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#4 Jul 22 2011 at 2:26 PM Rating: Decent
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Thank you for the input.
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#5 Jul 23 2011 at 11:49 AM Rating: Default
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Finuve wrote:
Catastrophe > Catastrophe


ftfy

Always go with the superior weaponskill.
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Return1 wrote:
Finuve wrote:
Catastrophe > Catastrophe


ftfy

Always go with the superior weaponskill.

I plainly forgot Catastrophe could self-SC.
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#7 Jul 24 2011 at 1:28 AM Rating: Excellent
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Raelix wrote:
Return1 wrote:
Finuve wrote:
Catastrophe > Catastrophe


ftfy

Always go with the superior weaponskill.

I plainly forgot Catastrophe could self-SC.

The point is probably more that it's possible, rather than what does it.
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#8 Jul 24 2011 at 2:38 AM Rating: Decent
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Can Quietus SC off of other/its own Darkness SCs to create new ones?

Catastrophe > Catastrophe > Darkness > Catastrophe > Double Damage Darkness is quite frankly, insane.
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Return1 wrote:
Can Quietus SC off of other/its own Darkness SCs to create new ones?

Catastrophe > Catastrophe > Darkness > Catastrophe > Double Damage Darkness is quite frankly, insane.

Yeah it has exactly the same properties as Catastrophe.
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I'm pretty sure I've read that a weaponskill with a level 3 sc trait doesn't skillchain off a level 3 skillchain made by two level 3 sc traits, so I'm pretty sure cata > cata > darkness > cata > darkness doesn't work.

If I'm not misremembering, though, spiral hell > cata > darkness > cata > darkness should work, I think.
#11 Jul 24 2011 at 7:15 PM Rating: Good
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I'm pretty sure I've read that a weaponskill with a level 3 sc trait doesn't skillchain off a level 3 skillchain made by two level 3 sc traits, so I'm pretty sure cata > cata > darkness > cata > darkness doesn't work.

If I'm not misremembering, though, spiral hell > cata > darkness > cata > darkness should work, I think.


Yeah, i've solo'd a good few solo Darkness SCs with Quietus, but i have yet to do a dbl Darkness.
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#12 Jul 24 2011 at 7:38 PM Rating: Good
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VonCrown wrote:
I'm pretty sure I've read that a weaponskill with a level 3 sc trait doesn't skillchain off a level 3 skillchain made by two level 3 sc traits, so I'm pretty sure cata > cata > darkness > cata > darkness doesn't work.

If I'm not misremembering, though, spiral hell > cata > darkness > cata > darkness should work, I think.
Yeah, i've solo'd a good few solo Darkness SCs with Quietus, but i have yet to do a dbl Darkness.
I've heard that the relic ws's, or at least the relic GA, can make double light with a Bravura (MT > MT > light > MT > light). I've never seen this unfortunately, but I made the assumption that this applies to all of the relic WS's.

I don't necessarily believe this rumor, but the player I heard this from tends to usually be well informed, so his info is typically accurate. So... any relic holders out there ever try and succeed at double darkness/light using only the relic ws?
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#13 Jul 24 2011 at 8:09 PM Rating: Default
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I already mentioned Catastrophe doing double darkness in this thread.

I'm not asking if it's possible, I am an Apocalypse user and I have done it myself.

I did it to Sirrush just a couple months ago. 2400 Cata > 1300 Cata > 1300 Darkness > 2300 Cata > 4600 Darkness.

You cannot continue on after the double darkness however.

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Edited, Jul 24th 2011 10:54pm by Return1
#14 Jul 27 2011 at 12:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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You can do SC with Meditate and Absorb-TP but is a matter of luck. The problem is that if you use WS > Meditate > Abs.TP > WS = fail, at least I falied miserably. The way I found for it is Sekkanoki > WS > Meditate > WS > Absorb-Tp > WS. After the second WS you will have 15 Tp back from WS and still 40Tp more from Meditate, just need absorb 45Tp from mob and there is where luck plays a important role.

In other words, you can do it but not 100% of the time. Take in mind that you have to be sure mob have Tp enought for absorb but not enought to use Tp move while you SC. Really very situational to count it as part of any strategy but hey, fun for solo!
#15 Jul 27 2011 at 12:48 PM Rating: Decent
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If you have Hasso or Seigan up, Absorb-TP is too slow.

I practiced Sekka > WS > WS > ATP > WS on Campaign forts plenty after I got Quietus though. Your timing still has to be nigh perfect (we're talking tenth of a second window) on hitting ATP and the following WS though.
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#16 Jul 27 2011 at 3:14 PM Rating: Decent
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With a 5hit and capped haste, you can Self SC 1-2 times with just Meditate and/or good DA/TA/QA procs. A lot of it any way you slice it is luck on tp returns.

Edited, Jul 27th 2011 5:16pm by Return1
#17 Sep 08 2011 at 3:58 PM Rating: Decent
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Why not.....

Guillotine -> Shadow of Death -> Insurgency to make light =)

Build 200TP, hit the mob 5 times

Sekkanoki -> Guillotine -> Meditate -> Shadow of Death -> Absorb Tp -> Insurgency right when Absorb animation finishes (right when the lights go into you) pretty tricky timing but once you get it, you got it =D

I can post vid on youtube for visual pleasure lol =D
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#18 Oct 18 2011 at 12:15 PM Rating: Default
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Raelix wrote:
Finuve wrote:
Quietus > Quietus

This, and yes Absorb-TP is fast enough if your timing is precise and you have Empy hands to get enough back.

Also, you need to check your mechanics. Meditate gives you 60tp over ten seconds or whatever, Sekkanoki makes your next WS only use 100tp. Sekka is the self-SC tool.

There is no other Scythe -> Scythe combo that does Darkness though. You can close a level 1 'Compression' with Nightmare Scythe. This is not Darkness and will be weak as worthless.




Catastrophe > Catastrophe How can you forget this one!

Also if you want to spike DD and go Drk/thf. Catastrophe > SA Spiral hell works. I don't have Quientus yet, but I am guessing Quietus > Spiral hell would work as well.

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#19 Oct 18 2011 at 12:43 PM Rating: Good
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Drk/thf

I'm going to start stabbing you now.
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