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#102 Jul 14 2011 at 7:11 PM Rating: Good
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#103 Jul 14 2011 at 7:11 PM Rating: Good
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Gear for 6 hit 
 
Melee (Set 1)	 
Slot	Gear 
Weapon	Apocalypse (90) 
Grip	Sword Strap 
Ammo	Bomb Core 
Head	Bale +2 
Neck	Bale 
Earring	Brutal 
Earring	Bale 
Body	Valkyrie's Breastplate (ta2) 
Hands	Bale +2 
Ring	Rajas 
Ring	Mars's 
Back	Atheling 
Waist	Goading 
Legs	Bale +2 
Feet	Jingang 
 
 
Gear for 5 hit 
 
Melee (Set 2)	 
Slot	Gear 
Weapon	Apocalypse (90) 
Grip	Rose Grip 
Ammo	White Tathlum 
Head	Bale +2 
Neck	Bale 
Earring	Brutal 
Earring	Bale 
Body	Armada Hauberk (stp5 da2) 
Hands	Bale +2 
Ring	Rajas 
Ring	Hoard 
Back	Tactical 
Waist	Goading 
Legs	Bale +2 
Feet	Ace's Leggings 
 
WS - used same for both, grips were ofcourse locked.	 
Slot	Gear 
Weapon	Apocalypse (90) 
Grip	Rose Grip/Sword Strap 
Ammo	Bomb Core 
Head	Twilight 
Neck	Gorget 
Earring	Brutal 
Earring	Bale 
Body	Twilight 
Hands	Abyss Gauntlets 
Ring	Rajas 
Ring	Spiral 
Back	Atheling 
Waist	Ele.Belt 
Legs	Bale +2 
Feet	Bale +2 
 
 
Option	Set 1	Set 2 
		 
Abyssea		 
In Abyssea?	1	1 
Cruor Buff Value	70	70 
Atma1	Razed Ruin	Razed Ruin 
Atma2	S. Scythe	V. Violet 
Atma3	Apocolypse	Apocolypse 
		 
Buffs		 
Last Resort	1	1 
Haste	1	1 
March 1	0	0 
March 2	0	0 
Hasso	0	0 
Haste Samba (5% if /dnc)	0	0 
		 
Endark	1	1 
Endark Recast @ dmg rem.	16	16 
 
Data Set 
 
Stat	TPSet1	TPSet2	WSSet1	WSSet2 
Skill	384	384	377	377 
Att	452	452	445	445 
Acc	365	365	359	359 
Str	222	263	233	283 
Dex	206	217	233	233 
Agi	136	140	140	140 
Vit	170	154	184	184 
Int	138	142	165	165 
Mnd	138	142	151	151 
Gear HP	0	15	0	0 
Gear HPP	0%	0%	0%	0% 
Total HP	2663	2678	2663	2663 
Endark Recast #	16	16	16	16 
Endark Att	37	37	37	37 
Base Att	762	736	736	774 
Base Acc	601	607	628	628 
Food Att	150	150	150	150 
Food Acc	0	0	0	0 
Chaos	0	0	0	0 
Stalwart's (att)	0	0	0	0 
Berserk	0	0	0	0 
Last Resort	187	181	181	190 
Stalwart's (acc)	0	0	0	0 
Aggressor	0	0	0	0 
Att	1099	1067	1067	1114 
Acc	601	607	628	628 
DA	13%	15%	8%	13% 
TA	17%	15%	15%	15% 
DW	0%	0%	0%	0% 
Delay per Weap	497	513	497	513 
Base TP/Hit	13.5	13.9	13.5	13.9 
Store TP	30	52	25	25 
TP/Hit	17.5	21.1	16.8	17.3 
Dex Crit	20%	20%	20%	20% 
C.Rate	55%	55%	55%	55% 
C.Dmg	165%	135%	165%	135% 
Raw Hit Rate	138.5%	141.5%	152.0%	152.0% 
Hit Rate	95.0%	95.0%	95.0%	95.0% 
cRatio	1.6306	1.5671	1.5671	1.6603 
fStr1	23	23	23	23 
fStr2	0	0	0	0 
W1 Dmg	163	163	163	163 
W2 Dmg	0	0	0	0 
Souleater	None	None	None	None 
Enhance SE	0%	0%	0%	0% 
Souleater %	10%	10%	10%	10% 
HP %	85%	85%	90%	90% 
SE Dmg/Hit	0	0	0	0 
Stat	TP Set 1	TP Set 2	WS Set 1	WS Set 2 
Melee				 
Hits/Rnd W1	1.384	1.365		 
Hits/Rnd W2	0.000	0.000		 
Emp Set Bonus	1%	1%		 
Avg W1	513.298	429.460		 
AE W1	37.00	37.00		 
Avg W2	0.000	0.000		 
AE W2	0.00	0.00		 
Avg Rnd	761.657	636.580		 
Magic Haste	15%	15%		 
JA Haste	24%	24%		 
Catastrophe Haste	10%	10%		 
Gear Haste	25%	25%		 
Total Haste	64%	64%		 
Nom. Delay	178.6	184.4		 
Min Delay	102.6	102.6		 
Delay/Round	178.6	184.4		 
Category DPS	255.862	207.176		 
Weaponskill				 
WS Main Dmg			163	163 
WS Off Dmg			0	0 
+fTP Gear			0.2	0.2 
TP Bonus			0	0 
WS Mult			100%	100% 
Regain Rate			0	2 
Regain Amt			0	6 
WS Dmg			1809	1934 
Base TP Rnds			4.44	3.75 
Base TP Time			913.416	810.674 
Total Damage			5192.336	4319.241 
Total DPS			341.071	319.678 
 
 
Check my math, its dead on.  I'll run a few diff scenarios next. 

You're welcome noobs.
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#104 Jul 14 2011 at 7:32 PM Rating: Decent
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Why is the 5-hit using VV instead of SS? The Regain is redundant and 30% crit damage is huge with a 55% crit rate, not to mention the extra HP for Souleater. Try again.

Additionally, prove to us that this calculator adds +25% Cata damage.

Edited, Jul 14th 2011 6:37pm by Raelix
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#105 Jul 14 2011 at 9:05 PM Rating: Excellent
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Raelix wrote:
Why is the 5-hit using VV instead of SS? The Regain is redundant and 30% crit damage is huge with a 55% crit rate, not to mention the extra HP for Souleater. Try again.

Additionally, prove to us that this calculator adds +25% Cata damage.

Edited, Jul 14th 2011 6:37pm by Raelix



VV actually does better for both setups. Thanks for pointing that out. VV > SS in every situation, except maybe Epeen SSs of crits. You might be right about the 25% cata damage, going to ask the creator of the Spread sheet.

You act like i'm arguing 5 hit vs 6 hit, I have all the listed and needed gear. The only thing i'm arguing is carbonara and so far RCB is coming out on top except against XP lvl mobs. That is also assuming LR is up and Endark, take those away and RCB adds more value.


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#106 Jul 14 2011 at 10:47 PM Rating: Decent
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So firstly why not run it again with the same atmas on both? I'm willing to see which way the difference swings. It just seemed like the RCB set had a major advantage in TP phase damage, much more than a 10% attack difference and more like 40% (3383 over 2385) which was mostly SS at work.

Between that and not having the extra WS damage you couldn't have stacked this any more in RCB's favor.
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#107 Jul 14 2011 at 11:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Just woke up. Busy. Did you ever mention where your numbers for "basic" abyssea mobs and nms came from?
#108 Jul 15 2011 at 6:07 AM Rating: Good
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The mob is a guess at the average 97 lvl mob. I can change any of its stats if you think any are too high, but they are all pretty modest, esp when you consider the dia2 being applied in all situations. I personally never take my DRK in Abyssea so the numbers i'm running for myself are for outside, but if you want a scenario ran just let me know. The SS vs VV was a mistake, I was playing with both.


Edit: the 90 25% Cata bonus is in there, but its done wrong. FTP is adjusted to 4.0 for 90 instead of 25% at the end. ftp4.0 was a slightly larger boost then 25% but comparable.

For raw damage AaO Apoc RR seem to be the winner in Abyssea.

Edited, Jul 15th 2011 10:20am by TaintCerberus
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#109 Jul 15 2011 at 11:02 AM Rating: Decent
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I'd like some real numbers instead of guesses for starters, but that would require a lot of parsing since we can't get specific mob levels without the classic exp system.
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