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#102 Nov 04 2006 at 7:33 PM Rating: Default
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lol...... you can do as you plz. I stated my claim, you have no way to fight it, you can't even make a decent argument against me.
And you can post all you want, your just helping my thread get more replies and become even bigger <(^,^)b
#103 Nov 04 2006 at 8:50 PM Rating: Default
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Just got back from my jog. Someone wrote back!

Ok, you're right. I'm wrong. DRK shouldn't have sword capped. We need to follow this thread exactly the way you have it or else we are less than average. People that think my way or the highway are always right. There's never any grey inbetween.

I'm glad you think you are so superior that you don't even consider anyone elses opinion.
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#104 Nov 04 2006 at 9:31 PM Rating: Decent
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I can't believe I missed all of this. D: Oh well, Renz and Disifer have basically said everything needed to be said.


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The sad thing is, after this weekend, I won't ever come to Alla to look at forums. I'm doing this because it's fun to watch people get so worked up and then insult other people ONLINE to make themselves feel better. Come tomorrow, I'll be back to my life at school and will forget about this topic forever. Everyone else will continue to write about how wrong and dumb I am and blah blah blah.


No one will continue to post anything about you, I couldn't really care less. You stated your opinion, almost everyone disagrees with you, end of discussion. But I did love when you played the "it's my money I'll play how I want" card in a topic talking about the best way to play a job. It's great that you want to play your way, but there is only one way to be the best.
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#105 Nov 05 2006 at 3:35 AM Rating: Good
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If you want to be all technical, instead of a comma after failed, there should be a semi-colon


Actually, if you really want to be technical, since I'm an ELA minor and Adversiting major, it could be both. Post all you want, nobody cares and nobody has any want/need to attack you;, you're wrong on some things, you're right on others, big deal. Your "opinion" was considered despite the way you presented it, it gives info about other weapons, subjobs, choices, etc. Can you sub NIN at 75 and DW? Of course, but you're not going to outdamage yourself if you were subbing NIN w/a Scythe. Do you have to use Tredecim Scythe? Nope, but for 95% of DRK's its better than using another one, alot of it is playing still. Theres many ways to play DRK, hell, I don't even follow the guide completely, either does Renzou, its just a over-simplification of things due to lack of time. In time, it'll be completed, but as you are with High School, I'm busy with college, work and training; as for Renzou...well shes just Renzou Smiley: grin

Another thing for you to note is that alot of the people who have 1k+ posts have had there account for a year or more. I'd like to see when mine started, I think its been over 2 years easily but I could be wrong. Will check back later when I wake up at 3 or so. GO CHIEFS.

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#106 Nov 05 2006 at 9:14 AM Rating: Good
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/shout: Whatever typed is said to everyone in a long range. Defeniately not good to macro, unless your selling items the whole world does not need to know your doing Souleater >,>.


I have a joke souleater macro that is six macros long, you just gave me evil ideas. :D
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#107 Nov 05 2006 at 9:18 PM Rating: Default
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Youngjin wrote:
Just got back from my jog. Someone wrote back!

Ok, you're right. I'm wrong. DRK shouldn't have sword capped. We need to follow this thread exactly the way you have it or else we are less than average. People that think my way or the highway are always right. There's never any grey inbetween.

I'm glad you think you are so superior that you don't even consider anyone elses opinion.


Were on my guide does it say "follow this thread exactly the way you have it or else we are less than average"? A guide is simply a guide, a means to help you on your way, the basics of how to do the job, to be better then average is to already have a full understanding of the job before you reach the peak of your DRK career. Most ppl don't know how to play the job, therefore the average DRK doesn't know how to perform the best, this guide helps you perform better then your average idiot.

Aside that, all you can argue about was sword when I said you can level sword for spirits within, but for use of piercing give me a god **** good reason you should use a Piercing piece of **** sword over a greatsword that doesn't have slash but instead blunt dmg? Sea mobs that resist slash, can be hurt by blunt can't they? OMG!!! You have no valid argument, you have opinions and thats great, play the way you want. But you have no valid argument against Me + Disifers guide(along with a bit of tweaks and adds from Ferriion, skyra, etc..). What you say is "better" can be subbed by another weapon or job or whatnot and still outperform what you specify as being needed.

When you have a valid argument against me or disifer, then come back to me. Until then go jog some more, or go to sleep, or go to class or w/e, or even continue to post your opinions. Everyone else posted their opinions here and they didn't get shot down, the reason you got shot down was because of your know-it-all attitude coming onto this forum thinking you can throw your weight around because you got sword capped on DRK. Woot woot. If you came on with a different approach, maybe you would have gotten a different kind of response.
#108 Nov 06 2006 at 8:12 AM Rating: Good
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I have NIN, RDM, WHM, BLM, DRG, WAR, SAM, THF, BST, and RNG all leveled to sub if the occasion calls for it. Why be mediocre and have just DRK/THF or DRK/WAR


You know what I hate? I hate people who, for the sake of their lives, cannot accept other people's success. It's almost like a high school student trying to debunk a PhD's work. Here's a tip, Youngjin, G.R.O.W U.P!
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I have NIN, RDM, WHM, BLM, DRG, WAR, SAM, THF, BST, and RNG all leveled to sub if the occasion calls for it. Why be mediocre and have just DRK/THF or DRK/WAR


You know what I hate? I hate people who, for the sake of their lives, cannot accept other people's success. It's almost like a high school student trying to debunk a PhD's work. Here's a tip, Youngjin, G.R.O.W U.P!


Does the "G.R.O.W U.P." thing you types have an abbreviation or something lol, or did you just add the periods between each letter for the **** of it >,>;; idk i'm bored so i asked lol
#110 Nov 07 2006 at 9:06 PM Rating: Decent
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Renz, got a Ragnarok yet? D:

Close?

Going to throw me all your old weapons when you've got that?

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Well I am close currency wise but took a long break from dynamis so don't got the weapon items. As for my weapons. When I get Ragnarok Yes I will prolly hand down my Balmung, Balin's, Martial, and Gold Algol+1 to my friend Bloodnangel.
#112 Nov 08 2006 at 12:36 AM Rating: Decent
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I think Rutter Sabatons deserves a mention in WS gear for the feet.

Edit: A few other things that I feel deserve a mention are Dusk Gloves, Dusk feet, Walhara Turban, Swift and Speed Belt. A good haste build can take you a long way. Just put in that haste gear is only good if you have other haste gear to stack it with.

Edited, Nov 8th 2006 at 12:48am PST by DarkKnightZero
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#113 Nov 08 2006 at 12:41 AM Rating: Decent
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Renz, you're trying to get a Ragnarok? Do you already have an Apocalypse or something? Dont tell me you're going Greatsword over Scythe!!

I'll cut-choo >=(
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#114 Nov 08 2006 at 7:06 AM Rating: Good
Would I be correct in assuming that it's only possible to get 1 reward from the "In the name of Science" quest? So, only get the Snow Gorget? O can you save for two?
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#115 Nov 08 2006 at 7:26 AM Rating: Good
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renzoukan wrote:
evilrsmkii wrote:
youngjin wrote:
I have NIN, RDM, WHM, BLM, DRG, WAR, SAM, THF, BST, and RNG all leveled to sub if the occasion calls for it. Why be mediocre and have just DRK/THF or DRK/WAR


You know what I hate? I hate people who, for the sake of their lives, cannot accept other people's success. It's almost like a high school student trying to debunk a PhD's work. Here's a tip, Youngjin, G.R.O.W U.P!



Does the "G.R.O.W U.P." thing you types have an abbreviation or something lol, or did you just add the periods between each letter for the **** of it >,>;; idk i'm bored so i asked lol


Just for the **** of it.
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#116 Nov 08 2006 at 10:59 AM Rating: Decent
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So, only get the Snow Gorget? O can you save for two?


I think you can get as many gorgets as you want.

Edit: Noticed a spelling mistake almost a day after I made this post.

Edited, Nov 9th 2006 at 9:58am PST by Ferriion
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#117 Nov 09 2006 at 1:48 AM Rating: Good
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So, only get the Snow Gorget? O can you save for two?


I think you can get as many gorgets as your want.


Cool, if that's the case, I think the Breeze Gorget looks nice for Great Sword. Also, since I have the thought that I should probably, when all is capped and good on Scythe and Great Sword, work on Great Axe, it works for Steel Cyclone.

Would that be a good second choice? Or should I look for another?
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#118 Nov 09 2006 at 4:14 AM Rating: Good
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Breeze will effect ground strike, spinning slash, and steel cylone(also savage blade if anyone really cares).

Aqua will effect Cross Reaper, Spiral Hell, Ground Strike, steel cyclone, and decimation, but since snow already covers all those things except decimation, and you should never be in a position where you have to use decimation, theres not too much point to bothering with it.



If you're looking for a gorget to get after snow, look at what other jobs you might level eventually. Spinning slash is covered by both breeze and thunder, so its up to you which organs you want to collect. The other big weaponskills affected by breeze are dancing edge, slugwinder, and blade: jin, while the ones covered by impaction are raging fists, dragon kick, and blade: jin.


edit: Playing devil's advocate for a moment

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Please give me one situation, post 60, where having sword, axe, and great axe capped will benefit your party in any way.


Well as for axe or greataxe I couldn't honestly say since you excluded skillchains already(plus I agree with you on that end).

But sword?


I can think of one reason, but if its an option you probably don't need to be reading this guide.


Edited, Nov 9th 2006 at 4:23am PST by ArchangelLBC
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#119 Nov 09 2006 at 10:00 AM Rating: Decent
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I can think of one reason, but if its an option you probably don't need to be reading this guide.


I should have put something saying excluding Riddill, even that is a very controversial subject though. I'm very interested to see how a Riddill will perform with war sub instead of nin, which is the only sub that I personally have heard tests being done with.
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I've been wondering how it would do with war sub vs drg sub but either way you'd probably die anywhere outside mire and in all setups not including rdm brd whm.
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#121 Nov 10 2006 at 2:46 AM Rating: Decent
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Yes I will prolly hand down my Balmung, Balin's, Martial, and Gold Algol+1 to my friend Faramir.


Fixed ^-^!

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You have a Gold Algol+1 o.o? What do you do with it lol? And what do you do with Balmung :s?

Wouldn't Subduer and Balin's squish all of those? XD
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I really don't understand the mentality that Ridill = death.

I mean, i do but it's like...

If you can get a ridill, chances are your gear is to the notch that you're pulling hate constantly, (keeping in mind that with said gear, partying with someone notably lesser than yourself would cause you to pull hate anyway. Hence ls statics ;o.) and...if that's the case, whats the difference between pulling hate with a thousand damage, or a million damage? no ones going to be able to regain the hate from you before the mob dies anyway.


Edited, Nov 10th 2006 at 7:52am PST by Basilxii
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Very true Basil, but we're now talking about using a Riddill without shadows, so now you have nothing protecting you once the mob does turn towards you. Not to mention that using a multi-hit weapon with Souleater is going to make your mages cry, even if the mob is attacking some one else.
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Not to mention that using a multi-hit weapon with Souleater is going to make your mages cry, even if the mob is attacking some one else.


Who can ever forget their first Souleater + Guillotine with all four hits and a DA proc? Got to love going from white to orange in a matter of seconds. XD
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Not to mention that using a multi-hit weapon with Souleater is going to make your mages cry, even if the mob is attacking some one else.


Who can ever forget their first Souleater + Guillotine with all four hits and a DA proc? Got to love going from white to orange in a matter of seconds. XD


...and yet I still do it from time to time just to give my friends a hard time (healers). A bored DRK is a dangerous thing, not only to himself but the MP pool of a healer. XD
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Great work so far, but I had a suggestion on a sub group for stun. Teach these new drks when to stun. There are far more uses than just interrupting ancient magic and -ga III spells. There are a hand full of mob weapon skills that we can stun to make life easier for the entire party. Goblin bombs most people know. Goblin rush is one that most drks (that i've seen lately) ignore. No, you can't stop them from doing it, but you can give the ninja a break on trying to put shadows back up after. No matter the situation, goblin rush wipes 3 shadows. Please use stun after goblin rush, help out your ninja. Pecking flurry from Colibri's is another similar shadow clearing move. Stun after you see this. It makes a huge difference. Whirl of Rage from weapon type mobs is a good one to stun also. Or just stun even if you see ichi being interrupted. Or the tanks hps dip into the red. sometimes the healers need another second to cast. you have a spell, help out your party with it. There really isn't a bad time to stun; it's going to help pretty much any time you cast it. I'm sure there are a hand full i'm leaving out but this was just thought that hit me.
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Pecking flurry from Colibri's is another similar shadow clearing move. Stun after you see this.


Ninja starts casting Utsusemi: Ichi.
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The colibri starts casting stun!
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Lesser Colibri don't reflect. I've been stunning after every peckling flurry.




Ridill = death because theres a level of damage that makes you pull hate, then lose it, and then theres a level of hate that keeps the mob glued onto you no matter what you do and you're perma tank.


Ridill swings so much, and hits hard enough, that you never really get the mob to lose interest in you, whereas with 528 delay scythe the mob has a nice amount of time to forget you exist.
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Also note, that the colibri dont actually "reflect"

To Reflect would mean that your spell doesn't ever touch the mob, but it does. If you cast stun on the Colibri, it will be stunned, it simply mimic's you. Whatever you cast on it, it will cast back on you.

This means that, for example, you can sleep them, but when it wakes up bet your **** it will cast sleep on you XD
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#131 Nov 20 2006 at 11:17 AM Rating: Default
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Wow...I come back and I find that your still mentioning me in your posts?

Wow I am pretty Pro.

All that aside, you have the basics down, its your understanding of the game I deplore, and your inflexibility of the job and its uses I deplore.

But yea the fact that I'm still mentioned by "your highness" (snicker) is funny.

Anyway You still haven't come to my server yet to get your **** beat.

Thats Phoenix btw.

Until you come over here and put your money where your mouth is, shove it.

Oh yea, edit: I read some other parts, and well your overall egotistical and elite attitude is very annoying, **** I'm just racist against fictional races, your a complete @#%^ to your peers for branching out.

Dark Knight is not just spike damage, its the alter-ego of the red mage as well. You can make it a crazy spike damage (or wave) dealer, or you can make it the most versatile melee in the game. You neglect to mention those parts.

So I have something to say:

--FOR GOD SAKES TAKE ADVICE BUT LISTEN TO YOURSELVES YOUR OWN PATH IS THE BEST PATH---



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Edited, Nov 20th 2006 at 11:34am PST by Sakaio
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Hay Sakaio, nice sig. :D It's funny how you try to insult me for not knowing how to spell your meaningless name, but you can't even figure out how to work the quote function in your sig. It's ok though, since it probably takes a third grade education to figure out, you'll get there some day.

I see your still looking up words in a dictionary to try to make your posts seem more intelligent, your sentence structure and use of those words are so awkward and misplaced I can barely force myself to read what your write. Good to have you back though. :D

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Ooooooh, I see entertainment. Entertain me saikio, I need to get a good laugh. But seriously, your aspects of DRK are amastuer at best. You think you know everything and that because u have other things capped and other subs done it makes u better then average. Wrong my friend, being able to play the job itself to the best of its abilities is what makes u better then average. 95% of DRKs do not know how to play the job, therefore being better then the average DRK is jus knowing how to do the job correctly.

But hey Saikio, thank you for putting my name in your sig, and thank you for bumping my thread some more for others to see =). Me and Disifer appreciate your help in keeping out thread bumped up.


PS. Coming to your server? You expect me to go and level DRK over there? LMFAO........ Am i seriously gonna waste my time leveling a new character in your server jus to prove a 2-3min fight and then have a useless character on phoenix, or you plan on me to migrate and lose all my friends, ls, and stuff i got here? I wasted enough of my time in my life playing this game, and i wasted even more time acknowledging your existance by replying to your post.

Have a good day =).
Please reply saikio, keep bumping my thread up as it helps me out ^-^
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95% of DRKs do not know how to play the job


Huh? :S

It isn't that often I meet a DRK who doesn't know how to play DRK. :s

Unless you want to get into incredible detail but that's going into things like God armour, Sea, Dynamis, Limbus etc. and not everybody has access to that, doesnt mean they don't know how to play DRK. :S

Not going off at you or anything Renz just confused. ^^;
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I invited a DRK59/THF29 (don't ask me why they were doing...that...but no other DD was seeking) to my party, today. After he hit 60, and got all that fun scythe skill out of the way, I asked him to please Trick Attack Guillotine onto the PLD.

His response was, "What? Why?"

He then proceed to stand behind the monster the entire time, SATA Guillotining...onto no one. Just stood behind and SATA Guillotined. I stopped trying to tell him otherwise, after a while. I was having a hard enough time trying to get the Amazing Dancing PLD to hold still for THF SATA, and reminding the BRD that we can have two buffs up at once, and asking the WHM TO PLEASE COME UP CLOSER TO THE NORTH SO THAT THE POPPING PUKS BACK THERE DON'T EAT YOUR FACE OFF AND YOU DI-- Oh, too late.

Yeah, it was one of those parties. The Taru THF rocked hardcore, though. Still, I don't think I'll be inviting anymore DRKs for a while. A long while. Unless they're from my LS. The LS DRKs rock.
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Can I sub /BLM to help with my Elvaan MP and magic burst, plz? Duz that wurk?
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Groundstrike tonight:

958 on Suzaku
1348 on Seiryu
1458 on Byakko

My damage sucks. ;-;
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Ground Strike is **** on Suzaku and Byakko, use Spiral **** instead for better numbers.
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#142 Dec 07 2006 at 10:33 PM Rating: Decent
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Just saw something else, Renz what is the name of the char you made on Cerberus? I remember you making a request for a wp some time ago and I want to /poke you. ;P
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#143 Dec 08 2006 at 11:39 AM Rating: Decent
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Take a wild guess lmao
#144 Dec 08 2006 at 1:01 PM Rating: Decent
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Take a wild guess lmao


I knew it! I'm not surprised you decided to take the name Disifer.
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#145 Dec 08 2006 at 1:33 PM Rating: Good
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LOL
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#146 Dec 08 2006 at 2:48 PM Rating: Decent
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I could have sworn I saw a name that kind of looked like Disifer on my WoW server. Everyone should come play WoW with me. :D
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#147 Dec 08 2006 at 7:00 PM Rating: Decent
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I played WoW, once...

Oh, wait, I'm sorry, that was just that one time I was trying to boil my eyeballs with my torch lighter, not me playing WoW. Phew, honest mistake.

:P
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#148 Dec 08 2006 at 9:33 PM Rating: Decent
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Haha, I use to think the same thing about WoW until I tried it. Now I can't believe I ever played FFXI over it, everyone has their own opinion about things though.
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#149 Dec 09 2006 at 12:43 AM Rating: Decent
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I actually did try it for a couple of weeks. Wasn't my thing, so I bought FFXI instead.

My opinion may or may not change depending on whether or not what I'm told about the drama inherent in endgame is true or not. It's not that I'll quit FF, it's just that I have a low tolerance for **** and I'll most likely be banned for an "unsociable attitude" if I encounter the type of **** I'm told about in Endgame LS horror stories.
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Since this has devolved to a flame war, and I have an actual question, I'll ask it anyway on the hope of bringing it back to the OP.

I'm about to ding 60 after being in the 55-59 range for about a year (had to farm for gear, deal with price spikes, then quit and returned), and was wondering what would be best to sub in parties 60+. I've heard war/thf/sam, and I'm planning to level sam once I get guillotine (war/sam impressed me the other night in bibiki with it), but if I'm given a choice about what to sub (I usually ask the party which they'd prefer), which should I choose? If it matters, accuracy+40 from gear, don't know if that'll change anything.
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Well at 60 it opens up a bit. WAR/SAM is great but depending on whether its a NIN tank or not could be a little deadly at that level; with a PLD tank you'd be better off, really until about 64 partying with Ninjas is a little dangerous unless its somebody who knows the job well which may or may not be the case; same goes for /WAR. /THF isn't practical till 65/66 and in all honesty isn't too practical at all anymore unless you're in a SC party, but again an SC party is better left /THF at 65/66. I don't see too many SC parties around these days but they do exist. Also, /DRG is great but seeing you didn't list that may not be an option, its something to be considered.

Edited, Dec 9th 2006 1:28pm by Disifer
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