How much ACC for VB?Follow

407 acc is the cap on 82 G.Colibris and 398 is the cap for 81. So gear for that. Both birds are around even in amounts at the camps iirc.

G.Colibri has an evasion of 339. For a character of 75 having the same accuracy(339) you would have a 75% hit rate. However since you are 7 levels of a difference, you are penalized 4 accuracy per level difference. Thus, 28acc in total is a 14% penalty to your 75%. The new % would be (75-14=61) 61% when your accuracy is even with the evasion(339). So at 61% to reach 95% you need to increase your accuracy by 34%. For every 2 points of accuracy your hit % increase by 1% therefore you need 68(34*2=68) more accuracy to cap(339+68 = 407) Hope that helps understand how we came to finding out the cap ;)

Now to figure out your accuracy, its easy(276 skill = 268, every skill after 200 is equal to .9 of accuracy)Since you are elvaan you will be around 59-60 dex so thats another 29-30 accuracy. This leaves your pld with a base accuracy of 297. 110 accuracy to make up. Remember food factors in after gear/JA/buffs so dont calulate your foods buff until after youve done the rest. Hope this helps.

That's the total with food. Running the numbers, it looks like ~64 acc from gear plus crab sushi will put you at around 95% hit rate.

From what I've heard from others on this board, though, capped acc isn't strictly necessary if it means sacrificing other beneficial stats for it. If I remember correctly, you're good with anything over 85% hit rate or so.

If that number is wrong, someone feel free to correct me.

Edited, Jul 11th 2010 4:52pm by jAriusEightySix

Each point of acc lost decreases hit rate by 0.5%, so to drop to an 85% hit rate you would be able to give up 20 acc total.

Keep in mind though that this is just a number that I think I remember hearing before, and I don't have any real validation for it. It may be that 90% is the magic number for Vorpal, in which case you would only be able to give up 10 acc total off of that original 407 for birds.

Edit: lack of sleep makes for odd word choices.
Edits 2-3: and erroneous numbers.

Edited, Jul 12th 2010 2:29am by jAriusEightySix

I used to do alot of Limbus/other End game, but during that time my PLD was more of a /WAR onry tank, but now with the lv cap increase, its looking like I'm going the more DD route. I haven't done end game stuff in a long time, so yes, my access to alot of end game gear is limited. (Plus I'm waiting for 99 cap just for fear of wasting my time getting a hard drop that will be easily replaced). My set thus far consists of:

TP:
Weapon: Joy main hand/ Blau off hand (until I finish my Trial Sword)
Head: Wahl Turban/ Homam situationally
Body: Hauby(soon to be Perle)
Hands: Homam
Legs: going to be Perle as soon as I hit 78
Feet: Dusk/Perle
Back: Aesir Mantle
Neck: Chiv chain (Yes, I know, where's the PCC?)
Rings: Sniper's/Rajas
Earrings: Brutal/Supp/Diabolos's(situationally)
Waist: Augmented Fettle belt (EVA+4 haste +3 STR+1)/Swift belt
Ranged: Tiphia Sting

WS:
Weapon: Same (duh)
Head: Homam**
Body: Hauby/Perle
Hands: Alkyoneus's Bracelets(-DEX >< I know, so looking for something better that wont be replaced)
Legs: Perle
Feet: Amir Boots
Back: Amemet +1
Neck: Soil Gorget
Rings: Sniper's/Rajas
Earrings: Brutal/Supp/Diabolos's(situationally)
Waist: Potent/Virtuoso Belt
Ranged: Tiphia Sting

**(The reason I initially started the thread was because I had recently gotten a Anwig Salade for THF/COR/PUP with WS ACC+15 and never got an Ohat, so I wanted to see if there were any other viable options. I could get an Ohat, but again with all the new gear, I'm not looking to waste my time/gil on things that will be replaced. Maybe the new Kensho_Hachimaki: acc +12 sword skill +5 conserve TP+5 if i start to do VNMs.)


Edit: fixed wrong augment on the belt

Edited, Jul 12th 2010 2:21pm by Yopopoe

Question: Doesn't accuracy get compounded since it's calculated individually for every hit in the ws? So if you have 95% accuracy for a 4 hit ws you only have a 75% chance of landing all 4? I'm not a math wizard but I thought that's how it worked or something.

I disagree.

Acc is the king for multi-hit WSes. Until you hit 95% hit rate it is point by point the best return you can get.

It is possible for pure STR or pure DEX to beat acc in terms of return. But that means that either your fSTR is very negative, or that you have 50 dex. The first thing is possible to happen, but unlikely. The second isnt even possible.

In short: The only way for pure STR or pure DEX to beat acc is when your base damage is already very low, or when your acc is capped.

More important than STR or DEX though is atk. Especially for jobs that have lowish base attack ( THF and DNC ), atk usually gives better return on multi-hit WSes than secondary mods.

Thats why people say that for multi hit WSes, ACC>ATK>Secondaries.

There are exceptions, of course, because after all this is Final Fantasy, not WoW. But that is a pretty good guideline to follow.

Just gauge each potential increase against the compounded accuracy lost: (hit rate)^(number of hits)-(new hit rate)^(number of hits) = change in likelihood of landing all hits

95% accuracy = 0.95^4 = 81.5% likelihood of landing all four hits
94% accuracy = 0.94^4 = 78.1%
93% = 74.8%
92% = 71.6%
91% = 68.6%
90% = 65.6%
85% = 52.2%
80% = 41.0%

To simplify it, you're basically getting a triple return on hit rate, that is for every 2 points of accuracy you add (2acc=1% HR) you're increasing the likelihood of landing all hits by 3% (which will always max at 81.5%). Note that this is for higher accuracy values and accuracy changes depreciate the lower your base, but the formula holds.

Of course, this doesn't directly translate to straight damage since it's only a chance that you will be connecting an additional hit, which for a non-DA'd Vorpal Blade is a ~25% increase in damage. If I can improve my hitrate by 10% (85%=>95%) it would be increasing the likelihood of landing all hits by ~30%, which if I was comparing this to say a STR ring I then need to compare to the fact that to the original likelihood of landing fewer hits at more damage.

A simple example is a maxed out hitrate build versus a hypothetically worthwhile crit build. If I could on average land 4/4 hits for Vorpal Blade with 0 critical hits it would still net me the same amount of damage as on average landing 3/4 hits but with 1 critical landing for double damage. Which would also be the same net damage as 2/4 hits that were both criticals. Or with a str/atk build where you landed 3/4 hits for 33% increased damage. Etc etc.

I am not commenting on the value of critical hit builds, just demonstrating that landing all 4 hits can very easily be compared to other attempts at maximizing your total damage. Most gear comparisons are going to be some accuracy versus some WSC mods, both in the single digit comparisons, so maybe Build A has you hitting 5% more frequently, but Build B has you hitting 4% harder or Build C has you critically 6% more often.

tl;dr accuracy is indeed great to strive for, just remember that it's only increasing the likelihood that you'll land another hit, which translates into a fraction multiplied by a fraction that is significantly lower than you would anticipate.

I have to run so maybe someone can provide a clearer example if necessary.

I'm not entirely sure which weaponskills get how much accuracy so that is far hazier but assuming it were all awesome and stuff you could just default the first hit to 95% and then use your actual accuracy on the remaining three hits, and then you would account for the chance to DA on your first two hits at the same accuracy.

Thanks for taking the time to type that out. I've been swamped with work finals for one class and weekly exams/quizzes for the other take a lot more time than I thought they would - I'll be so glad when the first class is over!!!, so I haven't had time to reply yet.

What Kin said, that "you have to cap acc before anything else for fear of missing a hit" logic is complete bullsh*t that needs to die.

Please remember that fSTR and WSC face decreasing returns the more you stack. +4 STR (+2D) is worth more to a D35 Joytoy when your dSTR=12 then when it equals 20.

dSTR = 12 = ((12 +4)/4) = +4 fSTR
79 STR = 19.6 WSC
35 + 4 + 19 = 58

Adding 4 STR

dSTR = 16 = ((16 +4)/4) = +5 fSTR
83 STR = 20.6 WSC
35 + 5 + 20 = 60

60/58 = 1.034, or +4STR = 3.4% vs a 67 VIT target.

A solid WS setup can reach 100 STR while maintaining ACC

dSTR = 33 = ((33 +4)/4) = +9 fSTR
100 STR = 24.9 WSC
35 + 9 + 24 = 68

dSTR = 37 = ((37 +4/4) = +10 fSTR
104 STR = 25.8 WSC
35 + 10 + 25 = 70

70/68 = 1.029, so now 4 STR difference is only 2.9% vs the above 3.4%.

STR is good when you can get it in large chunks or for free with another stat. For Vorpal on PLD I would instead argue attack would be worth more in general then STR but each piece is situational.