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#1 Oct 16 2009 at 10:41 AM Rating: Decent
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Was setting up a pld/war macro set the other day, and i realized i don't even know exactly what a pld/war idle build looks like.

I realize pld/war is outclassed more often then not but i figured i would make a macro set in case i ever needed it.

At the moment my idle set for /war would consists of

Joy/Koenig/Lamia
Head: Koenig
Neck: Shield Torque
Ears: Buckler/Ether
Rings : BQR/Patronus(or jelly)
Body: Ares
Back : Boxor's
Feet: AF+1
Legs: Homam
Hands: Homam
Waist: Swift

I tryed looking it up but everybodys set looks a little different, so i don't know whats ideal. Alot of people idle in enmity gear, and some idle in a set geared for pure DMG reduction and ditch stuff like swift belt and homam pants.



Edited, Oct 16th 2009 12:42pm by churcheschicken

Edited, Oct 16th 2009 12:42pm by churcheschicken
#2 Oct 16 2009 at 12:12 PM Rating: Good
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I only do Prudence /WAR, but my Idle is almost the exact same as yours.

I use a Terror Shield, but Koenig is great, and I use Jelly/BQR.

The only other build I'll use is swapping to Darksteel+1 body, Hands, and Legs, and Jelly/Patronus if for some reason my co-tank dies and I need to purely reduce my damage taken for a bit, or if I'm about to die, I stack all the Shield Skill and PDT I have available.
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#3 Oct 18 2009 at 6:59 PM Rating: Good
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The only thing I /war to is Royal Ramble.

Using your gear, for that I would idle in (bolded is changed)-

Joy/Koenig/Rosenbogen
Head: Koenig
Neck: Shield Torque
Ears: Suppa(or assault if you don't have suppa)/Ethereal
Rings : Rajas, Ulthalam's, Iota or Woodsman/Patronus(or jelly)
Body: Ares
Back : Boxor's
Feet: AF+1
Legs: Homam
Hands: Homam
Waist: Swift


Edited, Oct 19th 2009 1:01am by Yashnaheen
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#4 Oct 22 2009 at 8:53 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm sorry but that entirely depends on the situation, +3 vit and 10 HP is not going to do anything for taking a tier III/IV spell and if you macro something else in, youre going to lose tp for atonement.
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#5 Oct 22 2009 at 9:07 AM Rating: Good
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I'm sorry but that entirely depends on the situation, +3 vit and 10 HP is not going to do anything for taking a tier III/IV spell and if you macro something else in, youre going to lose tp for atonement.


Not that I don't agree, I use my Lamia Kaman all the time, but if you're tanking something PLD/WAR, you're going to want to have to someone Stunning all those spells.

If you're facing an onslaught of spells from the mob that you're tanking, generally /RDM or /NIN would be preferred. /WAR only shines when you're facing something that attacks fast but doesn't hit extremely hard, and you can get your Defense and -PDT to the level that your damage taken is low enough to be worth bloodtanking.

The only thing I /WAR for (In endgame) is Jailer Of Prudence. If something is going to be casting a ton of spells on me, losing all that CE from getting blasted with Tier 3 and IV nukes isn't going to cut it.
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#6 Oct 22 2009 at 12:08 PM Rating: Decent
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I have to agree. At the same time, what is 3 vit and 10 hp really going to do for you? I know there is a veritable lack of good tank oriented ranged slot items for pld, but i cant help but think that an Arco De Velocidad should be tossed into the fray as well. Youre going to get more out of the daytime regen than 3 vit is truly going to help, and you still get the +10 hp, and for what its worth 1 str.

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#7 Oct 22 2009 at 12:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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I would use an Arco De Velocidad on a lot of fights where I'm not concerned with my Magic Damage taken, but I just can't justify the price. Maybe if my RDM ever gets to the level that I feel I can solo it, I might try.
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#8 Oct 22 2009 at 6:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Also situational, what about the Smart Grenade?

Edited, Oct 22nd 2009 8:17pm by BelenosSwiftWater
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#9 Oct 22 2009 at 7:26 PM Rating: Good
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I'm not sure I'd be idling in BQR if I was /WAR. Usually if you're bloodtanking something, you're constantly taking damage, and that 75 HP isn't really doing anything for you if you're less than full.
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Spoonless, Eater of Souls wrote:
I'm not sure I'd be idling in BQR if I was /WAR. Usually if you're bloodtanking something, you're constantly taking damage, and that 75 HP isn't really doing anything for you if you're less than full.


HP does something. The higher your HP, the less CE you lose per hit. Is it worth giving up an accuracy ring? In my opinion, no. But that doesn't mean it's not doing anything.
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#11 Oct 22 2009 at 7:48 PM Rating: Decent
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max hp lowers hate decay when you take damage i believe? correct me if that's wrong.
#12 Oct 23 2009 at 1:12 AM Rating: Good
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I suggest making a few different sets that you can swap into given the situation.

Shield skill / DD hybrid
Pure DD
Turtle
Semi turtle

Then there's all those other sets that you should have anyways like -MDT/MDB, Enmity, Flash, ect.

You can see my builds here if your interested. On PLD regardless of subjob I always have at least 6 macros per pallet of builds I can swap into not counting swaps tied to JAs, Flash, ect.

Edited, Oct 23rd 2009 12:14am by Gabbers
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#13 Oct 23 2009 at 1:49 AM Rating: Decent
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While a higher max hp might not mean anything when you aren't at full hp, it definitely helps when your healers overcure you. Most don't wait until you would only be missing 75 hp, and use a cure that will top you off. That makes it easier to keep up with any more incoming damage, giving them time to react.

Is hp gear better than other gear? Often, no. But it isn't useless when bloodtanking.
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#14 Oct 23 2009 at 3:40 AM Rating: Good
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Churcheschicken wrote:
max hp lowers hate decay when you take damage i believe? correct me if that's wrong

You have VE, and CE, VE is always decaying at a rate of 60 units per second, there is nothing that stops that on PLD. CE on the other hand does not decay, it will either rise with actions or drop when you take damage. How much CE you lose is dependent on the amount of damage you took and you max HP you had when you got hit.

1800x(damage taken)/maxHP = CE loss iirc


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