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#1 Feb 27 2009 at 1:53 AM Rating: Decent
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Hi,

was just got a sea weapon, how ever to make use of that or to obtains Virtue stones, it require me to complete the quest for the gorget.

I can get the organ from the UFO drops, but the problem is, can a pld/dnc solo the other mob in sea for organ like "Ul'aern" (70-73) and "Ul'xzomit" (68-71) which can travel in pack of 3?

Any suggestion and feedback would be welcome.

PS. The reaon i ask, is because i havn't do much with pld/dnc apart from campign, or solo as pld. So i am not sure how difficult is it as pld/dnc on solo dc mob. (I think last time i try was try solo some werewolf in the past for the quest and the werewolf is like hitting urban fast and cure 2000+ hp) >_<

Edited, Feb 27th 2009 6:05am by lichinto
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#2 Feb 27 2009 at 4:12 AM Rating: Decent
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It's been a long time since I played PLD solo, but I think you could handle an aern, at least in Al'taieu itself. You would definitely have to watch out for Disseverment (and get rid of the poison from it right away), and maybe kite/flash when they put bracelets on (it gives them haste and an attack bonus, I believe). They also come in different jobs, so which one you get would impact things a lot.

Xzomits might be doable, depending on how badly they hurt and you hurt (it really has been a while). Of the group of three, two are 'children' and significantly weaker, while the mother is stronger but has a 100% drop rate of the organ. I used to solo them on BRD by just sleeping two while killing one, but obviously you can't do that. I hear PLD has gotten some new abilities in the last year or two, so it might be possible, but you'd have to wait to hear from someone else to be sure. You can also just go out there and try it, and see how things go - just watch out for the sharks. I'd advise simply camping at the portal to Tavnazian Safehold.
#3 Feb 27 2009 at 5:07 AM Rating: Decent
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buy ice trousers. but even without them, you can solo majority of them with /rdm, like phuabo except Ufo. /dnc is cool though, get an ice shield too if u dont have it.
#4 Feb 27 2009 at 5:08 AM Rating: Decent
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thx for the advices, i may have to try different way, either try solo as pld/dnc, or bst.

I wonder would capped shield help on these things, because i notice, once i capped shield, it kick in alot with shield+ gear and i can tank some campign mob 1 on 1 without losing much blood as /dnc.
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#5 Feb 27 2009 at 5:39 AM Rating: Good
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I solo farm all the mobs right around the palace entrance for virtue stones all the time. PLD/RDM its very easy to do. Im sure /dnc works just as well, I just havent bothered with it yet. The easiest mobs to farm are the xzomits as an organ is 100% drop from "mother". Stoneskin, Phalanx, Reprisal, Bio2. You should be able to kill a baby before SS even drops a lot of the time. Make sure to pull the babies first and kill the mother by itself. You'll be able to handle anything right outside the palace with ease, no kiting needed.
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#6 Feb 27 2009 at 5:52 AM Rating: Good
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If you can get the UFO organs, you're set, they're the tough ones.

As for the other mobs, pretty much PLD/Anything can solo them. Bring echo drops, as some like to hit you with silence, and remedies might be a good idea for the paralyze. Otherwise, you can chew up pretty much any of the Ul mobs aside from the UFOs, and some of the OM mobs as well.

Here's some specifics:

Hpemdes (aka 'Puppyfish', 'Goldfish', etc) will 'aggro' you in a sense, but they are not agressive. Meaning that, like Lycopodiums in WoTG areas, they will simply follow you around like puppies, until they lose interest and move on. Even if you flash/stun/provoke/bind etc them they will NOT attack. Only after you actually do damage to them will they become hostile. The weakest and easiest Sea mobs.

Xzomit (aka 'Squids') These are non-hostile, and will not aggro. They travel in packs of 3, which consist of a leader, or 'Mother', and two smaller 'Child' Xzomits. They DO link, but in a weird way... if you attack the lead Xzomit, the two child Xzomits will automatically link, no matter how far away they are. However, if you pick off one of the child Xzomits first, the 'Mother' Xzomit, like any good mother, will ignore the plight of her child and continue on blissfully unaware. It should be noted that the drop rate from the child Xzomits are horribly low, but the mother is 100% guaranteed to drop an organ. Usually the strategy is to pick off the two kids first, then kill the solo Mom.

Phuabo (aka 'Sharks') Phuabos lurk just under the surface of the frozen sea, until someone wanders too close to them. They then erupt to the surface and begin attacking. Phuabos are some of the strongest mobs aside from UFOs, but Ul'Phuabos are still easily soloable by a PLD/RDM or PLD/NIN, and probably other subjob combos. HOWEVER, there are a couple of caveats. First, bring echo drops, as they have a move that will silence you, and second, pull them to an area of dry land to fight them. When over the water, they are much stronger, and have access to additional nasty attacks. /RDM is actually a strongly recommended sub, as these things have a shock spikes move that can stun frustratingly frequently. Dispel, despite being a subbed spell, lands almost all the time and is quite helpful.

Aern (aka 'Angels') These are also non-hostile until provoked. Their job is undetermined until they are attacked, at which point they will 'grow' a weapon, and take on the abilities of a specific job. They are not partied, but they DO link. Again, hey have a silence move, so bring echo drops.
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#7 Feb 27 2009 at 7:51 AM Rating: Decent
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One tip on the Xzomits: if you take too long to kill the babies, the mother can repop them on you. I was 25% away from an organ last night when this happened to me (on NIN) and couldn't keep up my shadows with 2 of them. PLD could probably flash the baby and still take out the mother.

The other thing to note on Phuabos is that they can silence you, so if you go /RDM, bring a few echo drops.
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#8 Mar 01 2009 at 9:53 AM Rating: Default
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yeah, been trying out over weekend as bst/nin with CC and pld/dnc.

bst/nin, no good, CC just manage to kill the baby one.

pld/dnc safest and also excuitment one.

Here is the following i find:

(Xzomit)

pld/dnc vs baby = cake! Safe, no excuitment, hp stay 1k above all the time with pently of hp and mp. downside, it may take a while to kill.

pld/dnc vs mother = same as baby until it pop a baby, but tanking 2 is ok, abit of excuitment and with careful playing, shall win without dieing. However battle take too long, that it may possible pop another baby. Now here is the excuitment start.

Tanking 3 mob with full shield skill make shield block process like crazy as well as with parry kick in very often. However require to use 2hr to buy time. With 2hr tanking all 3 and stay alive is fine, with most of time in oranage and alot in red.

But at the end, still manage to stay alive.

(Phuabo)

Actually been kill one by mistakes, it agg me when i was lagging.
However the one i fight is em, not sure how hard is the t one.

For em, as pld/dnc this mob is again cake, easilier than tanking 3 Xzomit at one time. No 2hr needed, very easy, just play in relax way and his hp go down slowly and your hp stay high as always. His silent move, is easy to get removed using /dnc, however to save tp, i just let it silent wear off. His shock spike, is quiet high dot, however using rampart can lower down his shock spike damage for 0 all the time.

(Aern)

This one is abit tricky, the one i fight was rng, which is abit easier. Again not too hard, just have to play with carefullyness. However like what everyone say, his reraise is a big let off, have to kill him twice. However he does change job in the middle of battle to blu. I notice it when he use cacoon. The only job can use cacoon i can think of is blu. So i guess he turn into blu, After he use rng attack so many time when i was pull him to entrance.

Not sure hows difficult is the mob with pet, but i did try out a rdm type. The rdm type is deadly for pld/dnc. Same as other, he don't hit hard, the shock spike or enspell is easy with rampart. However everything go well until he decide to cast spell like.... Fire 3, ice 3, after eating spell like 4 to 5 times, i decide to 2hr and warp, there is no way to win this, if he keep using spell.

Overall pld/dnc is a very solid solo combo. But...the biggest let of is if the mob manage to cast spell, pretty much have to eat it and take it like a man. :P

Not sure hows pld/rdm against some of the mob, because i don't have rdm level. Possible i would put level up rdm as sub abit higher in one of these millions things need to do. :P
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#9 Mar 01 2009 at 11:00 AM Rating: Good
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I've farmed them quite a few times solo, and not had many problems as /dnc. Just fight them a bit away from the red beam and if things get too hectic with the aerns, desperate flourish them, and run.
#10 Mar 01 2009 at 11:03 AM Rating: Decent
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Actually been kill one by mistakes, it agg me when i was lagging.
However the one i fight is em, not sure how hard is the t one.


when i was farming (pld/dnc) organs for a gorget I can chain 1 or extremely lucky chain 2 on em-t phuabos. fights are long but are do able pretty easily. this was months ago and with some pretty average gear.

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Overall pld/dnc is a very solid solo combo. But...the biggest let of is if the mob manage to cast spell, pretty much have to eat it and take it like a man. :P


I always will be over 100 tp since i dont ws to save tp for cures so I always make sure that flat blade is ready when shield bash is down.

#11 Mar 02 2009 at 1:12 AM Rating: Default
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not sure whats went wrong for me as pld/dnc tho. Maybe just getting unluck all the times! lol

I just find killing Ul'xzomit just isn't fast enough before her baby repop and endup tanking 2 or 3 mob.

For Aern, maybe i do it wrong, i actually havn't think of flat blade for stun, but thx for the advice on that tho.

Most of time i was reserver tp for tp cure. So mostly havn't done much ws, unless the hp is quiet stable.

Also maybe i gear wrongly too, i was trying it with full haste gear or full tanking gear.

May need to try out gear up on full DD gear and haste to try out. The battle i try just abit dragging and slow. :P

Sea is still quiet new to me, even thou i got access for me like 2 years ago, but just havn't done much with sea, once got access on it, and more forcus on other events like sky and etc.
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#12 Mar 03 2009 at 8:45 AM Rating: Good
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May need to try out gear up on full DD gear and haste to try out.


^^ That.

And not sure if you have a Joyuese or not, but with /dnc (as well as other things) it's a godsend.



Edited, Mar 3rd 2009 11:46am by johnnykrysys
#13 Mar 03 2009 at 11:03 AM Rating: Decent
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thx for the advices, i may have to try different way, either try solo as pld/dnc, or bst.

I wonder would capped shield help on these things, because i notice, once i capped shield, it kick in alot with shield+ gear and i can tank some campign mob 1 on 1 without losing much blood as /dnc


I been doing some test ever since i came back in game, since I lost all my data from shield blocking a while back. Here what I got on increments of 10 shield skill with boxers mantle with comparing Ice shield vs Palmerin shield(this shield should be worth more)I will be testing other shields later.

PLD/RDM, Enhancing magic 226, no Stoneskin, no reprisal, Just phalanx. no ws just sword dot, no food vs decent challenge on raptors in Wajaom woodlands.

Ice shield:

284 Shield skill + No boxers mantle + 233 evasion + 225 Parry

Damage taken: 1450
Eva: 3
Parry: 0
Paralyze effect: 2

294 Shield skill + Boxers mantle + 243 evasion + 235 parry

Damage taken: 1287
Eva: 2
Parry 4
Paralyze effect: 3

304 Shield skill + Boxers mantle + AF feet + 243 evasion + 235

Damage taken: 902
Eva: 0
Parry: 2
Paralyze effect: 4

Palmerin shield

284 Shield skill + No boxers mantle + 233 evasion + 225 parry

Damage taken: 1167
Eva: 3
Parry: 1

294 Shield Skill + Boxers mantle + 243 evasion + 235 parry

Damage taken: 1013
Eva:
parry: 2

304 Shield skill + Boxers mantle + Af feet + 243 evasion + 235 parry

Damage taken: 903
Eva: 2
Parry: 3

As you can see even without the paralyze effect of ice spikes Palmerin shield wins on damage reduction. The main reason I wanted to do some testing because supposedly wiki states

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In addition to the type of the shield, the defense rating of the shield also affects the amount of damage absorbed during a shield block: each point of defense seems to be an additional 0.5% damage reduction.


Now the fun part is testing out these shield since they have different base def.

Wyvre shield: Def 12
Darksteel shield: Def 16
Terror shield: Def 20
Koenig shield: Def 22

I am using size 3 because its been proven the best for PLD and its what I use. I have always been a big fan of shield skill 300+ but since its all about PLD/NIN 284 shield skill should be enough, but for PLD/WAR /RDM /DNC anything.. shield skill is a great significance. /salute

Edited, Mar 3rd 2009 1:07pm by Enghorr
#14 Mar 04 2009 at 4:52 AM Rating: Decent
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So which shield shall i use?

Currently i use Koenig shield for tanking and Iron Ram Shield for DD

So for solo, is Koenig shield still good? or shall i get a ice shield or that -2% damage shield?

The way i see this atm, is that Koenig shield offer +emity, which is good for party tanking with /nin, however the wyries shield is better, but due to gil wise, i stick with koenig atm.

Iron ram shield is good for doing damage with the +STR and +attack.

However, for solo, or do things that don't need stack emity, shall i use Koenig shield or change to ice shield or -2% damage shield?

Ice shield is quiet expensive, and always run out of stock, while -2% physical one isn't too bad which only cost 2k-3k, so it would not burn a big holes in the wallet.

Any suggestion or recommendation is welcome.

Oh yeah, i don't have joy toy, so currently only use company sword. >_<

Edited, Mar 4th 2009 7:52am by lichinto
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#15 Mar 04 2009 at 2:38 PM Rating: Decent
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In your case since your broke

Solo: Palmerin shield
End game PLD/NIN: Wyvre shield > Terror shield > Koenig
#16 Mar 04 2009 at 6:36 PM Rating: Good
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Don't use company sword when you're solo. Mensur epee is really good for solo/duo.... um, maybe martial anelace and use savage blade. I don't know... get a joyeuse.
And if you already have koenig and iron ram, just use those. Getting a different shield isn't going to drastically affect your ability to solo.

Edited, Mar 4th 2009 8:41pm by Illusitaru
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#17 Mar 04 2009 at 7:01 PM Rating: Decent
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You could easily solo the Goldfish, if nothing else. The Solo Xzomits (near JOJ pop) are easy as well. Aerns not too bad if you take poisona/Antidote and Sharks can hit a little hard but can kill them with a little rest in between.

Also, Who did you get your weapon with? Still doing sea with them?
At the start of sea everyone was gagging for Organs, but after 2-3 months most of the organs (Like Aern while farming Ix'DRG or DRK) auto-sort because no-one needs to lot them. 1 farming session in sea and you could amass quite the stockpile of stones.
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#18 Mar 04 2009 at 7:16 PM Rating: Decent
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All of the mobs short of the UFOs and a Phuabos are easily done on /NIN (fast killing, blink hits), /RDM (mitigate damage, dispel enemy buffs), or /WHM (cure status effects, and emergency cure power in Divine Seal if needed).

I'd recommend /RDM for Phuabos because of their spikes effects and you won't be able to use the Signet effects to your advantage against them. So shadows aren't nearly as good.
#19 Mar 05 2009 at 4:35 AM Rating: Decent
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i use to have Mensur epee.

However i sold that for gil to fund another expensive gear for bst, such as kirin osdo. :P

Yeah, looks like i need joy toy, been camping last time i have holiday from work (Christmas time), however no luck, due to over camped, lost claim everytime it pop! :P

Well guess i would try claim that again, on my next holiday, which are the next coming christmas! :P

I havn't join any sea ls anymore, because due to the time schedule in RL as well as in games, havn't really got times to do all things at once. :P

Especially most ls are doing sea in non EU friendly time, or the time is crash with my dynamtic ls. :P

Thats why have to try solo some organ for VStone and some organ for soil gorget. :P (Apart UFO of course)

In term of swords, i guess i shall looks for another faster or higher dps sword rather than company sword, because it seem slow when solo! lol

Also anyone try out Sinfender? with 228 delay and 38 damage and +5 shield
is it worth to use for solo compare to company?

Edited, Mar 5th 2009 7:37am by lichinto

Edited, Mar 5th 2009 7:44am by lichinto
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