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#1 Feb 21 2009 at 10:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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Ok so recently my playtime has dropped to nearly zero. I only get on for a couple of hours a day at the weekend. That doesn't make for a lot of time. Anyway, since I DO have that little bit of time I'd like to make use of it by soloing up some of the more situational pld subjobs, for future use (when playtime goes back up).
Obviously, due to lack of time, I'm not involved in any events at all right now.

Currently situation is:
75 pld 75 brd
42 bst (my usual solo subjob)
37 war 37 nin 37 whm

and then the bad news:

dnc 36 (nearly done with this one :D)
rdm 16 (ouch)
blm 17
thf 18
drk 10 (>w<)
blu 1 (lol)

So yeah - that's a lot of underlevelled subjobs D:
I'm guessing that subjobs like /rdm and /drk have more immediate event usefulness, but I'm also wondering about /blu and how it would fit into my life - if ever.
I'm looking for subjobs which will aid me in soloing, and once playtime goes back up I'm hoping to get involved with dynamis and/or assault (I really need to do these lol ><). As mentioned I usually solo as /bst, but would consider other combos :)

Just looking for a bit of advice on what to start with next, now that /dnc is nearly done =^.^= such a long list of jobs is quite scary lol!

Thanks peeps :D



Edited, Feb 22nd 2009 1:18am by Riggys
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#2 Feb 21 2009 at 11:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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RDM after DNC then DRK. /BLU is for super tanking only (Divine might is the only place I remember it being mentioned at all)...which you won't do often, if at all.
#3 Feb 21 2009 at 11:38 PM Rating: Decent
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my LS does a lot of SCNMs, and we use PLD/RDM a lot. For farming the items and for the actual SCNM. Ever since atonement came out, it really change PLD a lot since you basically have another tremendous way to keep hate regardless of what sub. But overall you level /war, /nin, /rdm, /dnc. In that order.
#4 Feb 21 2009 at 11:38 PM Rating: Good
Quick question, is /blu better than /rdm for super tanking? Cacoon and such better than stoneskin? I get the feeling I'm missing something huge XD
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#5 Feb 22 2009 at 7:59 AM Rating: Good
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Quick question, is /blu better than /rdm for super tanking? Cacoon and such better than stoneskin? I get the feeling I'm missing something huge XD


really depends, /rdm is good because of magic def bonus and barspells and has more hate control. Fast cast I & II will also shave off a lot of reprisal recast time, which /blu or /dnc dont offer. Fast cast I & II also speeds up recast of flash. Its really situational. I would check out this guys chart, there is a link in this page about how much enmity which spells or move gives.

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Enmity

I dont have atonement yet but almost at floor 100, "Atonement" really change tanking for Paladin regardless what sub you use.
#6 Feb 22 2009 at 8:57 AM Rating: Good
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If your supertanking, good luck putting up stoneskin again.

/BLU just offers a massive defense bonus, and given all you will be able to do is stand still and get reefed on, its pretty good just for that. Not that adding that much more defense helps all that much, but the 1 level of mdb from /rdm isn't that much better. I don't have /blu so for the few times I've supertanked DM I went /war anyways. You can get reprisal off easily still, and cures are a little difficult but manageable.

In regards to supertanking and /rdm holding hate better... eh? The idea of super tanking is to run in and grab that 'initial' aggro, then have them all hit you while your alliance/party picks them off one by one. By you casting flash or provoking or w/e on a guy, you **** things up for hate control, since your healers will be laying cure bombs on you, if you have hate on one there's a good chance they might take hate too.
#7 Feb 22 2009 at 10:42 PM Rating: Good
Makes since o.o
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#8 Feb 23 2009 at 12:11 AM Rating: Default
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If you have /rdm, you technically don't ever need /dnc (as people who post here a lot know, I hate /dnc).

Really, everything that pld/dnc can do, pld/rdm can do better.

/drk is actually optional too, unless your ls actually allows /drk to dynamis. Or unless you've found another use thats never occurred to me :p
#9 Feb 23 2009 at 5:54 AM Rating: Good
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Ah thanks for all the responses peeps - I guess I will go with rdm next then. It will probably take me about 6 months to get to 37 anyway lol :) The idea of soloing avatars sounds like fun though :D Almost can't wait >w<

@asdra
I guess pld/dnc is most popular for campaign since it doesn't have so much reliance on mp. I go pld/whm currently, and I spend most of my time with about 21mp, watching my health plummet, and desperately waiting for chiv to click back up lol :) I can see some advantage in tp-based curing :P

Obviously I haven't got /rdm sorted out yet so once I actually finish levelling my subjobs I'll be in a better position to say lol >w<

Edited, Feb 23rd 2009 8:55am by Riggys
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#10 Feb 23 2009 at 7:41 AM Rating: Good
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I still occasionally go /whm to campaign, specifically for the reraise capability. One thing about Stoneskin is that it actually reduces some of our potential XP: taking damage. I throw it on when fighting the NMs but usually prefer to leave it off for the little guys.

Of course, lately, if I do campaign, it's on BLU.

I also am not a huge fan of /DNC. I know it has potential, but I've always had more luck with /RDM than with /DNC. I'm glad others have a use for it, but it just seems so... lackluster to me. I mean, it feels like I HAVE to use DD gear with /DNC to make it effective. And that doesn't sit as well with me as you'd think.
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#11 Feb 23 2009 at 8:13 AM Rating: Good
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I also am not a huge fan of /DNC. I know it has potential, but I've always had more luck with /RDM than with /DNC. I'm glad others have a use for it, but it just seems so... lackluster to me. I mean, it feels like I HAVE to use DD gear with /DNC to make it effective. And that doesn't sit as well with me as you'd think.

I don't understand! What did you do with Dracoth?

Edited, Feb 23rd 2009 10:14am by Illusitaru
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#12 Feb 23 2009 at 8:30 AM Rating: Good
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The point isn't that I GET to use DD gear... it's that I HAVE to use it to use a subjob effectively. The subjob should support the style; the style should not be necessary for the subjob.
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#13 Feb 23 2009 at 12:47 PM Rating: Decent
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Riggys wrote:
Ah thanks for all the responses peeps - I guess I will go with rdm next then. It will probably take me about 6 months to get to 37 anyway lol :) The idea of soloing avatars sounds like fun though :D Almost can't wait >w<

@asdra
I guess pld/dnc is most popular for campaign since it doesn't have so much reliance on mp. I go pld/whm currently, and I spend most of my time with about 21mp, watching my health plummet, and desperately waiting for chiv to click back up lol :) I can see some advantage in tp-based curing :P

Obviously I haven't got /rdm sorted out yet so once I actually finish levelling my subjobs I'll be in a better position to say lol >w<

Edited, Feb 23rd 2009 8:55am by Riggys


The reason that happens, is because whm does nothing to extend your mp. /rdm reduces the damage you take, so your mp goes further. /dnc converts tp into cures, making your mp go further. /whm gives nothing useful except the -na spells and reraise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3U24k3i9xs

This is rather easy as /rdm, but I can't imagine doing it /dnc or /whm. /dnc doesn't reduce the damage to managable levels, meaning its awesome for a couple enemies, but if you add too many, the damage comes faster than your cure timers, mp, and tp can keep up.

I understand the reasoning behind people liking /dnc, because its much much easier to use than /rdm if you're only fighting 1-2 enemies. /dnc just isn't worth it to me, since I need /rdm for more than soloing, and /dnc can't fulfill any use in my normal activities outside campaign.
#14 Feb 23 2009 at 4:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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/drk is actually optional too, unless your ls actually allows /drk to dynamis. Or unless you've found another use thats never occurred to me :p


I've used it in Dynamis, I like /RDM better though.

I've kited stuff /DRK, and played around with it a bit, but everything that I've done /DRK I've found easier and more effiecient /RDM.
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#15 Feb 24 2009 at 10:11 AM Rating: Good
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Do you always use Valhalla when soloing /rdm?
Seems like the slow would be too problematic for kill speed to have the -5% dmg be worth it. I can see that it might mean the difference between being able to keep up with dmg, or falling slightly behind and dying slowly over the course of the fight. But that slow! And I assume you swap it out for casting things that have a recast time worth caring about.

Edit: Maybe I'll just watch the clip before I ask questions about how you do it. Oh wait...

Edit2: I see that your primary form of dmg is collecting TP from shield blocks, so slow is fairly inconsequential until later on, when you're one vs. one and don't need to concern yourself so much with survival. Ok.

Edited, Feb 24th 2009 12:18pm by Illusitaru
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#16 Feb 24 2009 at 3:40 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm surprised no one commented on the valhalla helm over mhead before.

The reason I wear it in campaign, is the mobs in campaign are only like decent challenge. With all shield gear besides mhead, I can already almost max out the block rate against them, as you can see in the video. The mhead offers literally almost no difference with or without. Valhalla Helm offered a very visible increase though, because it reduces the damage of their unblocked hits by an additional 5%. This actually pushes a pretty good chunk of their regular hits from being 1-2 damage, down to 0 with Phalanx.

With Haute, Terror shield, Valhalla Helm, and jelly ring, thats -27% physical damage. Calculating that up, that pushs about every hit thats 28 damage or lower to an automatic 0. When I get my Valhalla Breastplate, that'll kick it up to 30 damage or lower. Assuming I have the 65% capped block rate, thats 65% of the time its already 0, and then with food, protect, and usual 560 defense, every hit below 28 unblocked is also an automatic 0. This also reduces feather storm and the whirl attack to automatic 0.

With how weak the usual campaign mob is, especially monks like I have in that video, that means easily 80% of the hits I take are 0, 65%+ of the 0's give me 3-5 tp, and the majority of what slips through is single digits. I did monks for the video because it looks more impressive with the flurry of swings, but I can barely manage it against harder melees like war or drg or sam.

Edited, Feb 24th 2009 5:42pm by Asdrabael
#17 Feb 24 2009 at 4:02 PM Rating: Decent
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I did alot of campagne battles to level my paladin up the last few levels.
I love pld/dnc, throw on aspir samba, use tp for self cures, and use your mp to cure others at the same time your tanking a monster that would kill most other melee jobs = pure win.

I also used pld/dnc alot for when I had to go skill up afterwards >_>'


Id def. finish off your dancer to 37. (get stp gears, a joyeuse, and a small shield that ll proc alot (for tp gain not really mitigation) and PLD/DNC can be pretty sweet)

IF you have enhancement magic near capped, and you enjoy the reapplieing phalanx/stoneskin to avoid damage from smaller monsters routine, then go ahead and level that too. PLD/RDM is a beast for things that hit for small amounts.


I havnt found a use for pld/blu yet, or /drk or /thf sub (who wants to farm on pld? or sata on pld? hopefully you have other jobs leveled for that stuff).
#18 Feb 25 2009 at 5:12 AM Rating: Decent
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PLD/RDM is a beast for things that hit for small amounts.


Try tanking Khimaira 13 toa Mission 22 with a cor/whm as pld/rdm. I duo with my friend asheda and win.
#19 Feb 25 2009 at 1:19 PM Rating: Good
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I did alot of campagne battles to level my paladin up the last few levels.


Did you, perchance, mean champagne bottles?

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