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#1 Feb 16 2009 at 7:19 PM Rating: Decent
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So! For any PLD who has gotten Valor Surcoat, how long did it take you to get it? Ive heard some PLDs say it took them 4years, im really hoping my luck isnt that bad. ; ;
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#2 Feb 16 2009 at 8:04 PM Rating: Decent
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3 years, got it a week before they increased dynamis drop rate :)
With increased drop rate, I wouldn't be too pessimistic if I were you. Good luck!
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#3 Feb 16 2009 at 8:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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Your "luck" depends on a great many things, such as how often you do Dynamis, how often your LS does Xarc or Tavnazia, what their lotting rules are, and how many people are ahead of you.

Edit: I've been playing for 4 years and got my Surcoat last week, but I didn't do Dynamis regularly until the price-change and we spent a lot of time doing Cities (never again, thank you COP zones dropping City AF) and COP zones. First Surcoat for us dropped on our (4th?) Xarcabard.

Edited, Feb 16th 2009 11:27pm by NCCoda
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Hello, I'm the leader of the Kazoku Dynamis linkshell on Fenrir. I saw your post in the job section menu so I'll try and take a stab to answer that question^^


Your luck on obtaining the Valor Surcoat depends on 3 factors: 1) the frequency of your shell doing Xarcabard, 2) your competition among your fellow members of the linkshell and 3) farming efficiency within Xarcabard. The first and second categories are probably the biggest obstacles any plds will face when trying to obtain the surcoat. Generally, you want to be in a linkshell that does Xarcabard as often as possible (2-3 runs per month) if you're wishing to see a low to moderate movement in the AF line. Your competition also matters big time. If you have recently entered a linkshell with 4-5 people ahead of you, you can definitely expect to wait for the item 2-4 months before you get to the top three. The only way to break this bubble is to either keep up your pace in points hoping that your competitors will waste their points on other items or simply get involved with leadership roles and perform various tasks like being a main tank and such. Lastly, farming efficiency is very important because the rate of AF drops depends on how well your linkshell handles mobs. You can actually gauge this efficiency once you clear all of the tower NMs. Having 1 hour 30 min to 2 hours left on the clock after the last tower NM & time extension is dead is a good sign of linkshell progress. Clocking out of Xarcabard before or during the clearing the wall of eyes is a very bad sign of farming efficiency.


Most of my top PLDs in my shell have received their Valor bodies in various ways, some are lucky, some are not. Since the start of the shell, my oldest member PLD recieved his Valor Surcoat in 6 months since he joined. Thereafter, 2 recieved Valor bodies 3 weeks after that run (1 from NM, 1 from regular mob SE from the Wall of Eyes). We recieved several more and I'm observing its probably 1 out of every 4-5 Xarc runs.


Anyways, the point is don't despair about this item, it is certainly obtainable however you must figure out where your position is because 40% of getting this item is based on where you are in this linkshell for priority, 30% is based on farming efficiency, and 30% is based on the luck of it dropping.


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#7 Feb 17 2009 at 6:37 AM Rating: Decent
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I was lucky lol took me about 3 months maybe 4 of being a 75 PLD but, another pld had 55+ xarc runs no surcoat. In my new dyna shell we had 3 surcoats drop in one run.
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#8 Feb 17 2009 at 7:16 AM Rating: Decent
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We are doing Xarc this weekend, and I should be first in line for it, ill know once the points are updated. If anything im second in line for it. Last Xarc run we did PLD body dropped, so maybe it will drop for us again lol.

Edited, Feb 17th 2009 10:18am by Markynaz
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#9 Feb 17 2009 at 9:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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Why is it though that all the idiots get Valor Surcoat above the players that actually know what they're doing?

Last Xarcabard run we did Surcoat went to a PLD who full times Valor Boots and Durendal.

/facepalm
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#10 Feb 17 2009 at 9:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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I started Dynamis in 2005, and our LS only saw 2 surcoats between that time and the time I left them spring '08. One was in 2005 around christmas, and the other was in 2007 fall/christmas time. So roughly 2 years apart. In 08, after I left, and after the increase drop rates in northlands update happened, we saw 2 coats drop on...the same night I believe. If not, it was within a 2 week period(the interval in which I spoke with a friend in the shell). Our RDM hat drop rate was the same, and we got one hat before the drop rate update, and one or two after the update, whereas previously we only had one EVER drop from the shell's inception, in early 2004.

Fear not my friend. Those who waited 2-4 years are those who finally got theirs near/around the time of the update. Newer PLD's who are just entering into Dynamis will find it much easier. I'd say expect somewhere between 2 months and 1 year, max.

Edited, Feb 17th 2009 11:36am by FenrirXIII
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#11 Feb 17 2009 at 9:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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Here's my Surcoat story...

After 41 straight beaudicine glacier runs without getting my DRG relic body (and I was at the top of my shell's list by a lot), I finally got my drop and had my 5/5 for DRG. I switched my main lot then to PLD, paid my fee for switching my main lot, and waited the 2 weeks (as our rules stipulate) for eligability.

The first Xarcabard run we did after I was eligable to lot, a Surcoat dropped at the last camp before the princes. I passed my opportunity to lot (still being way ahead on points)for one of my shell's cornerstone PLDs. 20 minutes later (give or take), the PLD prince felt generous and dropped a second Surcoat for the run, which I was gently encouraged to lot on, making me 5/5 on PLD relic. 2 completed relic sets within a month.
#12 Feb 17 2009 at 9:49 AM Rating: Excellent
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Why is it though that all the idiots get Valor Surcoat above the players that actually know what they're doing?

Last Xarcabard run we did Surcoat went to a PLD who full times Valor Boots and Durendal.

/facepalm


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i sense a few people are upset with amdgsrt's story. (at least one **** hurt person anyhow). Nice to know people will pass up good af2 for someone else that they care about who is next in line.

I was waiting for pld for probobly 8 months but it finally dropped for me(thats 8 months @1 - around an extra 8 months waiting in line to just be @1 lol). Got a few dents for it in sky shortly after lol.

edit somehow i double post to extra story for yall!

Edited, Feb 17th 2009 12:58pm by Xellith
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#14 Feb 17 2009 at 10:10 AM Rating: Good
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I've passed on surcoat for my paladin like 3 times now, so I don't have to toss it when I finish my ares body.

Its a good body, but theres a million alternatives to it available, and 2 enmity over gallant won't make or break you.
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Its a good body, but theres a million alternatives to it available, and 2 enmity over gallant won't make or break you.


But it's so shiny T_T
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#16 Feb 17 2009 at 10:23 AM Rating: Good
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I can't argue against the Ares piece... but the Surcoat's latent Cover effect should be its selling point regardless if you're a 35piece or a few imperial wootz ingots short of completion.

At the very least... You can always store the entire set

Edited, Feb 17th 2009 1:25pm by amdgsrt
#17 Feb 17 2009 at 11:03 AM Rating: Good
I've been doing dynamis for about 3 or 4 years now and not once have I seen a surcoat drop. My LS has only gotten around 3-5 surcoats total from Xarcabard. It just really hates to give us PLD relic. On a side note, we got 5 RDM hats after about a year of no hats so maybe there's still luck there for PLD.
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amdgsrt wrote:
I can't argue against the Ares piece... but the Surcoat's latent Cover effect should be its selling point regardless if you're a 35piece or a few imperial wootz ingots short of completion.

At the very least... You can always store the entire set

Edited, Feb 17th 2009 1:25pm by amdgsrt


I won't get the rest of the set either because the effects are too small to even waste inv space on them. The boots would be ok in the rare occasions I blood tank, but I rarely blood tank. My paladin is more the backup "this just popped so we need a fast good tank" tank. Legs I already have hydra, IR, wlegs, mlegs, and homam. There is no situation where I'd ever use legs. Hands? Not worth carrying for an extra 10 damage to bash. Head? Wooowwww, 15 more seconds on rampart.

Body is the only piece that I could ever use, since the latent cover effect is so utterly useless (I can't imagine a single situation I'd ever use it....I've never even ever had to Cover anyone, ever). Co-Tanks either survive or are 1-shot. Theres no room or time to cover. And I can't imagine ever attempting to Cover someone at a Fafhogg, tiamat, or any other thing I'd ever see myself tanking.

The pieces do have uses, but my inventory can't handle carrying them for the incredibly small series of uses while I collect them, and then take them out.
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you cover for the latent not to cover them
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The latent involves getting punched in the face and recovering MP. I don't get hit, and I'm not going to intentionally cover the cotank, then drop shadows and let the mob hit me for 30 seconds.

In a situation where you have a high chance of being hit anyway, and you have to cover someone, its worth having. But the fact that in every situation I tank theres no such thing as Cover since it only covers your own party, makes the surcoat latent suck.

I know you cover for the latent. Thats pretty no crap.
#21 Feb 17 2009 at 2:21 PM Rating: Decent
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I finally got mine, 2 years after joining my dyna shell. In that time, I saw one other drop.

To be more clear, I had two other sets 5/5, 2/5RDM, and 4/5DRG (with Armet) before I got my valor body.
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#22 Feb 17 2009 at 4:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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Never ever ever ever?
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#23 Feb 17 2009 at 5:06 PM Rating: Decent
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NCCoda wrote:
Asdrabael wrote:
I don't get hit


Never ever ever ever?


Rarely enough that I'd rather wear something for a better use than for a maybe proc during a Cover situation that will never happen.

Theres a million better idle pieces.
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Got the body for my lvl 62 pld not very long ago. I had always wanted to lvl pld to 75 so I actually put that in my /seacom all the time when we do dynamis just in case all 75 plds have it and it doesn't go to someone with lvl 1 pld. So finally I got it after being lvl 62 for 1 year or so, now my pld is lvl 70 and going to be 75 soon. I have always had been this way, getting gears before I have the job at 75. I had drg af2 5/5 and pld af2 5/5 before reach 65. I just like lvling into gears I got, that gives me the greatest thrill.

Doing so without lotting over any lvl 75 of the above jobs? priceless... all those were lotted after all lvl 75s have it. :D
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#25 Feb 17 2009 at 7:32 PM Rating: Good
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Asdrabael wrote:
NCCoda wrote:
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I don't get hit


Never ever ever ever?


Rarely enough that I'd rather wear something for a better use than for a maybe proc during a Cover situation that will never happen.

Theres a million better idle pieces.


But you said "I don't get hit", not "I don't get hit enough to warrant etc etc".
There's a clear difference.

Edited, Feb 17th 2009 10:32pm by NCCoda
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#26 Feb 17 2009 at 10:28 PM Rating: Decent
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In my first ever dynamis xarca run it dropped.

I was a 75 PLD for probably about a year and a half before that run.

I can feel the hatred!

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