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#1 Jan 19 2011 at 9:19 AM Rating: Default
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Looking for advice on the WS to use on AV since /sam sekki will be used for 1 100tp hit then another at 200tp trying to decide between Steel cyclone and Fell cleave maybe a Metatron Torment will be up since I am using a Barbarus Bhuj.

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#2 Jan 19 2011 at 1:34 PM Rating: Good
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I'd be inclined to use Raging Rush. Definitely not Fell Cleave or Metatron.

The question is how high his attack is and how high your crit rate is. With Blood Rage up, I'd say Raging Rush will likely be the winner on average.
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#3 Jan 19 2011 at 3:04 PM Rating: Good
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Crit rate will be 100% since I will 2 hour when we go for the kill. Doing the smn 2hr Alex and zerg for the win method of course.
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#4 Jan 19 2011 at 4:12 PM Rating: Good
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King's Justice is a good WS to use while under 2hour I found. Nice STR mod, multi hit, and they all crit.
#5 Jan 20 2011 at 10:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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Steel Cyclone and Metatron Torment were only really good at 300%, so not very useful for Zerg tactics (unless you build to 300% prior to fight), so Kings Justice with Mighty Strikes, and Raging Rush after it wears would be my suggestions. While I don't have experience with Fell Cleave, it seems to better for Abyssa and destroying vast amounts of monsters at once.
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#6 Jan 21 2011 at 10:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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Steel Cyclone and Metatron Torment were only really good at 300%, so not very useful for Zerg tactics (unless you build to 300% prior to fight), so Kings Justice with Mighty Strikes, and Raging Rush after it wears would be my suggestions. While I don't have experience with Fell Cleave, it seems to better for Abyssa and destroying vast amounts of monsters at once.


Agreed. While Fell Cleave is good for taking out multiple enemies at once, it lacks the damage output that some of the single target G.axe WS have. If you had access to Ukko's Fury I'd recommend that, otherwise King's Justice when Mighty Strikes is up and Raging Rush when it's down.
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#7 Jan 21 2011 at 2:11 PM Rating: Good
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Metatron Torment's damage doesn't actually scale with TP. It's just not a very good weaponskill.

But yeah, what Vlor said.
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#8 Jan 22 2011 at 9:29 PM Rating: Decent
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Not sure when you're doing this zerg, but since you wont have time probably to do a better weapon trial, spend a few hours with your LS, go to grauberg, and get your war's some widowmakers. Free, and much better gaxe. Will probably be outdated come next patch as the Vermeil Bhuj was once godly also.

Then do what others here suggest.
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#9 Jan 23 2011 at 2:25 PM Rating: Decent
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Vlorsutes, Lord of Stuff wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
Steel Cyclone and Metatron Torment were only really good at 300%, so not very useful for Zerg tactics (unless you build to 300% prior to fight), so Kings Justice with Mighty Strikes, and Raging Rush after it wears would be my suggestions. While I don't have experience with Fell Cleave, it seems to better for Abyssa and destroying vast amounts of monsters at once.


Agreed. While Fell Cleave is good for taking out multiple enemies at once, it lacks the damage output that some of the single target G.axe WS have. If you had access to Ukko's Fury I'd recommend that, otherwise King's Justice when Mighty Strikes is up and Raging Rush when it's down.


I don't know what gear you use for Fell Cleave, but my cleave damage is definitely on par with RR/KJ outside of Razed Ruins. ~1500ish Fell Cleaves are not uncommon even outside abyssea, and at ~100 TP, the AoE range is pretty tiny. Unless the mobs are right on top of each other, there's a solid chance of not hitting more than 1-2.

For the record, Fell cleave has the same str mod/fTP as Metatron's Tormen. That fTP beats pretty much everything but 300% TP SC, and 60% str mod is very solid if you gear for it.

Edited, Jan 23rd 2011 2:29pm by Jinte
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#10 Jan 23 2011 at 6:53 PM Rating: Excellent
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Vlorsutes, Lord of Stuff wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
Steel Cyclone and Metatron Torment were only really good at 300%, so not very useful for Zerg tactics (unless you build to 300% prior to fight), so Kings Justice with Mighty Strikes, and Raging Rush after it wears would be my suggestions. While I don't have experience with Fell Cleave, it seems to better for Abyssa and destroying vast amounts of monsters at once.


Agreed. While Fell Cleave is good for taking out multiple enemies at once, it lacks the damage output that some of the single target G.axe WS have. If you had access to Ukko's Fury I'd recommend that, otherwise King's Justice when Mighty Strikes is up and Raging Rush when it's down.


I don't know what gear you use for Fell Cleave, but my cleave damage is definitely on par with RR/KJ outside of Razed Ruins. ~1500ish Fell Cleaves are not uncommon even outside abyssea, and at ~100 TP, the AoE range is pretty tiny. Unless the mobs are right on top of each other, there's a solid chance of not hitting more than 1-2.

For the record, Fell cleave has the same str mod/fTP as Metatron's Tormen. That fTP beats pretty much everything but 300% TP SC, and 60% str mod is very solid if you gear for it.

Edited, Jan 23rd 2011 2:29pm by Jinte


That's weird, because inside and outside of Abyssea I can't get it to do near as much damage as Raging Rush will on the same kind of mob, even using a modified SC gear build (swapped out the Vit heavy pieces where I could and focused more on +Str and +att) to the point of not being worthwhile if I'm not going to hit more than one mob with it.
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#11 Jan 24 2011 at 9:23 AM Rating: Decent
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Vlorsutes, Lord of Stuff wrote:
Lady Jinte wrote:
Vlorsutes, Lord of Stuff wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
Steel Cyclone and Metatron Torment were only really good at 300%, so not very useful for Zerg tactics (unless you build to 300% prior to fight), so Kings Justice with Mighty Strikes, and Raging Rush after it wears would be my suggestions. While I don't have experience with Fell Cleave, it seems to better for Abyssa and destroying vast amounts of monsters at once.


Agreed. While Fell Cleave is good for taking out multiple enemies at once, it lacks the damage output that some of the single target G.axe WS have. If you had access to Ukko's Fury I'd recommend that, otherwise King's Justice when Mighty Strikes is up and Raging Rush when it's down.


I don't know what gear you use for Fell Cleave, but my cleave damage is definitely on par with RR/KJ outside of Razed Ruins. ~1500ish Fell Cleaves are not uncommon even outside abyssea, and at ~100 TP, the AoE range is pretty tiny. Unless the mobs are right on top of each other, there's a solid chance of not hitting more than 1-2.

For the record, Fell cleave has the same str mod/fTP as Metatron's Tormen. That fTP beats pretty much everything but 300% TP SC, and 60% str mod is very solid if you gear for it.

Edited, Jan 23rd 2011 2:29pm by Jinte


That's weird, because inside and outside of Abyssea I can't get it to do near as much damage as Raging Rush will on the same kind of mob, even using a modified SC gear build (swapped out the Vit heavy pieces where I could and focused more on +Str and +att) to the point of not being worthwhile if I'm not going to hit more than one mob with it.


Seconding this. I have pretty good WS gear and FC's average doesn't compare to RR's unless I'm hitting 2+ targets with it.
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#12 Jan 27 2011 at 12:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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KJ always beat RR/FC/SC on AV for us, from the best geared WARs to the worst. Granted, our sample size was small and we didn't really try to use other WSs enough to get a reliable test, but the times people would try anything else, it wouldn't do as much damage or have the consistency that KJ did. (This is specifically on AV with 3BRD/2COR rotation)
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#13 Apr 07 2011 at 3:53 AM Rating: Decent
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if you look closer at Lady Jinte's post she clearly states "Outside of Razed Ruins" but to dumb it down, yea, inside Abyssea, Cleave should never come close to Raging Rush individually unless you Mighty Strikes. But OUTSIDE of Abyssea, yea pretty much Kings Justice is the way to go.

Exceptions to this rule would likely be:
==Metatron Torment== Lv.90 if you guys have any Bravura, the +25% fTP mod pushes it past King's Justice now and since you'd Sekki anyway thats potentially a Free Light Skillchain on top of it. (Potentially since all those DDs are gonna WS so not guarunteed)
==Ukko's Fury== I say Ukko's cuz this WS's power is simply put, notorious. Maschu? That works, Ukonvasora? EVEN BETTER cuz of that outstandingly retarded 30% Double Damage Proc Aftermath.. Omg SE makes me feel like my Bravura is a glorious waste of time cuz of that **** Aftermath...
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