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#1 Oct 22 2010 at 9:04 AM Rating: Good
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Hi, I've read through several threads, but i have not seen a definative guide on endgame gear now with 85 cap. Can someone post a breakdown on TP, WS, Tanking etc for 85? Thanks :) I'm currently lvl 60, but i don't forsee with abyssia long before i reach the new cap. I think theres a better setup then just full perle, but as i look around it seems like thats what everyone is wearing. :(
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#2 Oct 22 2010 at 9:54 AM Rating: Excellent
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Full Perle is your baseline set for high level. As its practically free, there's basically no excuse not to have that or better.

On a piece-by-piece basis, it's good, but there's better. For example, even common items like Dusk Gloves or Walahra Turban are better TP items due to higher Haste%, on an individual per-slot comparison. With Perle, the pro/con (as a TP set) is the set bonus. On the one hand, the extra 5% Haste you get from wearing the full set makes it rather competitive with much harder to obtain mix and match sets. On the other, you have to wear the full set for that bonus, and so when you inevitably get better pieces, you kind of need to have a plan for some of the other slots too.

Happily, for WARs, the Empyrean +1 armor is a very nice boost over older items, and the seals for it can all be obtained from relatively easy quests (though you may need to repeat them a lot, burning many a traverser stone in the process). The head is a nice WS piece, and the legs/feet are very good TP items, topped only by the +2 versions.

For a TP set, you can easily complement the Empyrean legs/feet with your choice of 'berk (or Store TP body if necessary), a Walahra Turban, and Dusk gloves to net a better overall set than full Perle. Other slots would likely be similar regardless. This is what I'm currently using for /SAM, but several slots will get juggled if/when I get some other items to drop.

WS, Perle remains solid - it's not quite as good as Hecatomb, but the hands/feet are solid surrogates. Head you have Empyrean, but that's basically just a better version of Perle.
This is my current KJ set.

'course, if the trends follow, the next Abyssea expansion will bring us the Empyrean body and hands, which will likely become the preferred item for one of those sets.
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#3 Oct 22 2010 at 10:03 AM Rating: Decent
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yeah i just feel perle is so damned vanilla. the set bonus is definately a draw though...

i noticed you used peberk in both builds, does it pull ahead of adaberk and berk +1?

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#4 Oct 22 2010 at 11:21 AM Rating: Good
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I don't have an Adaberk, or I'd use that. Otherwise, 'berk+1 is going to be better if you need the accuracy, but Perle is marginally better if you don't due to the crit rate and slightly bigger STR boost. I have a Hauberk+1 as well, but have been defaulting to the Perle lately. Not a real big deal either way, IMO.
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#5 Oct 22 2010 at 11:23 AM Rating: Decent
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cool good to know, i'm seeing alot more people around lately with adaberks.
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#6 Oct 22 2010 at 11:29 AM Rating: Good
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Einherjar has a lot to do with that.
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#7 Oct 22 2010 at 11:31 AM Rating: Decent
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i hear people have seen nidhogg wandering around for up to 45 mins nowadays, its truely different times we live in. :(

Edited, Oct 22nd 2010 1:32pm by judgebowey
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#8 Oct 22 2010 at 11:40 AM Rating: Good
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Maybe, but even then, Nidhogg only pops every 5 days or so, with a chance for the abjuration. No matter how easy he gets, that'll still be the case.

If enough groups are doing Einherjar, you could see several abjurations introduced to a server in a given day. In a month, you could have more E. Body abjurations introduced than would have come from the Aery in a year. Combine that with a wider variety of shells/people who do Einherjar versus camp kings, and you have a much greater number of people walking around in body abjurations.
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#9 Oct 22 2010 at 11:43 AM Rating: Decent
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Perle body is especially good if you have access to RR Atma, provided you don't need the sTP from Aurum or Askar.

Edited, Oct 22nd 2010 11:52am by TybudX
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#10 Oct 22 2010 at 2:33 PM Rating: Default
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so for the most part, wah/adaberk/dusk/byakkos/aurum is still the best layout?
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#11 Oct 22 2010 at 3:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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Replace Byakko's/Aurum boots with Ravager's +2 (+1 are better as well, but if you're talking the best then obviously +2s win). Objectively speaking, Ravager's +1 items are also easier to get. Prior to the last update, what you listed (with HQ hands) was about top end for TP.

Walahra Turban is still attractive for WAR since, unlike most other melee jobs, Ravager's head has no Haste on it.

Dusk Gloves +1 are still solid, but they're no longer the only option for 4% Haste in the slot, 'cause there's these. I would not be at all surprised to see them get trumped by Ravagers +1/+2 when those come out in the next patch. In the meantime, of course, NQ Dusk are still a solid option too.

Adaberk is still the top all-around pick, but again, your setup may work better with a STP body (Askar or Aurum), particularly considering that most of the Magian weapons are lower delay. There are still a few relavent 504 delay GAxes, but the lower the delay, the more STP you need to fit in to make a 6-hit work. I'd also give this the same caveat as the hands - the Ravager's body piece should be released in the next patch. Both stats and ease to obtain it are unknown yet, and I'd hold out on making any long-term plans until they are.

To a good degree, FFXI is still in transition. While you never know what SE is going to drop in with a patch, right now, we know (well, have been told) that level 99 is coming. That's still 14 more levels worth of gear that could get put in and change up what's preferred. Making any real long term gear plans is hard in this environment, though I would bet that the Empyrean gear likely won't be upstaged - or if it is, it'll just be by +3 versions or something.
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#12 Oct 22 2010 at 3:22 PM Rating: Default
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all good points, ty. does ares trump adaberk though?
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#13 Oct 22 2010 at 3:39 PM Rating: Decent
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With most GAxes, this would be your top of the line gear:

xxx / brave grip / xxx / bomb core or bomblet
af3+2 / ancient torque / hollow / brutal
timarli / timarli or dusk+1 / blitz / rajas
cavaros / bullwhip / af3+2 / af3+2

As far as Ares's body vs Adaberk, it largely depends on what Atma you have. Without RR you won't cap crit rate against most mobs, and probably can't afford to lose the accuracy benefit that comes with the Hauby/Hauberk/Adaberk line.

Edited, Oct 22nd 2010 7:38pm by TybudX
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#14 Oct 22 2010 at 3:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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Depends on what for.

There are usually three basic concerns with a TP set for 2h builds: ACC, Haste, and Store TP

You ideally want to be parsing at capped accuracy, which is ~95%.

You ideally want to have 26% Haste in gear listed. The actual cap for gear haste is 25%, but the math that the game uses is fractions of 1024. While the cap is 256/1024, the description on most items is actually slightly exaggerated from what the actual percentage is. An example from the Wiki would be the Walahra Turban, which is 50/1024 or (4.8828125%) haste, not the full 5% that the item says. The long and short is that honest-to-goodness capped gear haste means 26% from item descriptions.

Your overall damage over time benefits greatly if you can cut an attack round off of your trek to 100% TP, and so, STP can be very relavent.

While certainly beneficial, things like STR or ATT are less important during TP'ing than those things. Ares' Body is heavy on those, but lacks basically any of the real key stats that'd make it truly valuable for TP'ing in. If you have all your other bases covered? Maybe. But the body slot tends to be pretty key. You can get some of the biggest chunks of accuracy or STP there, or even Haste now.
It's better use is solely as a WS piece, though likely not Raging Rush (at least). Perhaps, in a past life, the Refresh could help keep a Rune Chopper latent going...but the base damage on that is falling further and further behind, with more and more available Haste gear.

Most Salvage gear really needs an upgrade to keep it more than a much-harder-to-get sidegrade to something else, but SE seems to have forgotten about updating pre-Abyssea content/items except Mythics and (most) Relics.
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#15 Oct 22 2010 at 4:55 PM Rating: Good
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Brave grip? WAR should be full timing POLE GRIP over that.
#16 Oct 22 2010 at 7:43 PM Rating: Decent
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With RR Atma WAR is sitting at 54% crit rate, more with various gear. Add to that a 3 hit crit WS with an even higher chance to proc, as well as new traits and gear affecting how much damage crits do... no, Pole Grip cannot keep up.
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#17 Oct 22 2010 at 9:31 PM Rating: Decent
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so, if str atk isn't what you're looking for, then peberk adaberk berk +1? or something like askar?
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#18 Oct 23 2010 at 8:54 AM Rating: Good
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STR and ATT are still nice, just not the first concern. Adaberk has a very nice mix of everything, at a nice level. Haub +1 is a little less, but still along the same lines. They're balanced pieces, as opposed to something like Nocturnus for ACC, or things like Ares or Grim for STR/ATT.

Askar or Aurum are good if, and only if, you need the STP to make an x-hit build work. This may become more relevant over time given that the majority of Magian weapons have lower delay than had been typical - though more STP gear has also been put in.

To a point, it's not the slot to worry about. AH options - Perle, Haub/+1 - are solid, and very cheap these days. Making anything else really work well in the slot takes having harder to get gear in a number of other slots.
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#19 Oct 25 2010 at 12:50 PM Rating: Decent
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So whats good on hands now for TP, Dusk, Relic, or Timarli? I don't like the debuff on the Dusk, Relic doesn't seem to hot on TP, and almost a ditto on Timarli. Any thoughts?
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#20 Oct 25 2010 at 8:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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Timarli or Dusk +1 would be the top end at the moment for TP'ing. Though again, with the stats on Ravager's +1/+2 so far, there's a fair chance that the hands will wind up replacing something too.

Dusk isn't hard to work around. Macro in something else when you run. NQ is very cheap now. Perle is alright, but the extra percent of Haste on NQ Dusk is preferable.

You're right in that Relic aren't good for TP'ing. They're pretty much not worth using for much of anything now, once you can use Perle.
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#21 Oct 26 2010 at 11:41 AM Rating: Decent
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well the last sale of dusk +1 gloves on shiva was 11-09, so i guess i'm stuck with the NQ or timarli.
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#22 Oct 27 2010 at 10:49 AM Rating: Decent
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try checking rolanmart from time to time, someone might have, but it will cost a few mil.
#23 Oct 27 2010 at 11:20 AM Rating: Decent
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lol you still have rolanmart? everyone pulled it into upper jueno on shiva. :P
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#24 Nov 07 2010 at 11:01 PM Rating: Decent
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So whats the current hot set for WS's?
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#25 Nov 15 2010 at 7:56 AM Rating: Default
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Brave is worse than Pole grip, it's barely a 1% increase... rose strap is better if you need it for xhit. Claymore beats both pole and brave grip with any crit damage/crit hit atmas.
#26 Nov 15 2010 at 12:28 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah Claymore is the grip I was thinking of. I just barely dusted off my WAR long enough to get 85 and haven't changed any of my gear yet. Having looked into what's out there a little more I'd say some kind of 5 hit with one of the Magian great axes would be best, while trying to maintain high Haste. At this point it's probably best to just keep trying to upgrade af3 and Magian weapons while waiting for the next update.
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PUP is an average to above average DD... when not in a zerg situation... or on particularly hard targets... and when properly configured... on windsday... with a RDM...
#27 Nov 16 2010 at 6:22 PM Rating: Decent
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It kind of depends on what weapon you're using as to what is the optimal setup. If you're using an Atlas +1 or the vaunted Ukonvasara, then additional sTP is needed (+15 with /sam). If you're using a 504 delay G.Axe like Maschu +1, only an additional 8 sTP is needed with /sam to reach the 6 hit build (when using a WS with at least 2 hits).

Seeming ideal setup for a 482 delay weapon would be:
Rose strap, Fire Bomblet, Walahra Turban, Peacock Charm/Ancient Torque, Brutal Earring, Hollow/Assault Earring, Adaman Hauberk, Timarli Dastanas/Dusk Gloves +1, Rajas Ring, Mars's Ring/Zilant Ring/Sniper's Ring +1/Toreador's Ring, Belenos' Mantle/Cuchulain's Mantle, Goading Belt, Ravager's Cuisses +2, Ravager's Calligae +2

This setup gives the necessary 26% visible haste, +17 sTP (could drop Belenos' Mantle if you find your accuracy is fine for a higher attk back piece and still maintain 6 hit), +66.75 acc, +63.25 attk. While you can drop the turban using Bullwip Belt/Timarli Jashwan/Blitz Ring, the trade off in stats favors using the Turban and using more beneficial items in the body/ring/waist slot. Using Goading Belt alone, while offering 2% less haste has +5 sTP. Again, it really depends on what weapon you're using and its delay.

Using Cavaros Mantle and Brave Grip sounds interesting for + crit damage, especially with RR atma, but each is only around a 3% increase in crit damage. When deciding if this is worth it for you, be sure to multiply your crit rate by the increase to see the actual increase in damage. Using these two items also presumes you are using a 504 delay weapon and subbing sam where you don't need the additional sTP to reach a 6-hit. It should be noted that a 6-hit versus 7-hit will do considerably more damage than adding these two pieces into your set and breaking your 6-hit.

Hope this helps some.
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