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I for one have been waiting for something like this. Hey, pull hate? Who cares! Throw on Retaliation while you're at it and you got yourself a solid setup.

your sig says 75pld,war.. yet you just now figured out warrior can tank?
it was the first tank class and still very capable of doing it.. how could you possibly level 2 jobs to 75 and not know that lol

WHERE THE CRAP HAVE YOU BEEN?!

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The thing is giving PUP this massive update has once again f*cked up the game balance. On the same scale as the huge SAM buff did.

Meh.

Assuming the current scheme of (roughly) five skill levels per job level for A+ and four for A-, at 99 it would be 396 for A+ and 365 for A-, give or take one or two.

Somehow, I can't see that working out in the long run, so we can look forward to Square fumbling with the combat mechanics again.

Aren't they going to up the level cap in an update or two? So doesn't that mean MNK will get over 300 Hand to Hand as well?

i dont think you have that much to worry about.

back when 1hd was the way to go, bst had the same skill level, same weaponskill, and same equipment as war, and they had a pet. yet they never took wars place in parties...

I guess. It's still a spit in the face, though. I'm tempted to stop inviting PUPs out of principle.

You sir, get a cookie.

Provoke says hi.



love you too, nil.

Also, remember that you're still far and away better off in terms of gear choice, and also, pup is a lot harder to play well, and gear well. Even with the A- h2h, the number of pups you'll actually have to worry about beating you are pretty much the same as now, maybe a little higher.

The last few times I did Nyzul, it was with a WAR in my LS that was essentially raping the parse (not that anyone was bothering to run one) and it took a fair bit of effort to drag things away from him in some cases. Don't think he even needed Provoke.

Most of the BLU's I know are completionists who love to collect things and that's why they leveled the job. Pokemon fans and the like. These are the same people who maxed out the sphere grid/licence board for every character in FFX/FFXII. I don't think they make sh*tty players... In fact they are usually extremely thorough with everything they do.

BLU has a long history in FF games. Unlike DNC, COR, PUP and SCH it's been in the majority of FF games. It was a shock that it was not introduced in RoZ for that matter.



REALLY? Wow. DNC is nothing like it has ever been in any previous FF games (it was a BRD clone before this game and was really present in only a handful of FF games). SCH is... what RDM should have been basically. It felt like a copout when much cooler mage jobs could have been released. Geomancer... Calculator... WotG jobs were super disappointing.

not to go off topic and bring this thread back on topic, but what if they were to turn defender into 3min/5recast(still meritable) -%to damage instead of +deffence and gave warrior a 1:30/3min(nmeritable) instaheal that heals 3/4 life or a percentage = to your tp for emergancy dmg mitigation. or if they gave war a ability similar to the mammets that for :45/3min all dmg turns to health call it blood rage or something.

its been awhile but defender did +25% defense? i was just thinking that turning that to -25%dmg taken would be more beneficial than the defense boost. would it be acceptable if it was -dmg% taken, +retaliate 100%, attack penalty.
if your accuracy is good enough or they could add an acc bonus for retaliate strikes it could be possible to keep hate just by number of hits but because of att down you won't do enough dmg to annihilate mobs in endless attacks. i think also keeping the duration shorter than the recast would be a must to keep it from being on constant.


edit, take the above idea and my previous one about a war natural tp emergency heal but make it a 2 teir 150%tp active and 300% one 150% would be a 40% health return and 300 would be 80%. to keep from stepping on dancer toes can make them only usable when <40% health. i think those 2 ideas would promote war as a tank and give it the freedom to sub just about anything effectively.

Edited, Mar 9th 2010 11:55pm by xfillupurcupx

Just throwing in my 2cents, but even with an increase in PUP H2H Skill (yes, I speak of the topic that derailed from the main topic), the amount of melee hit downtime caused by the sheer amount of JAs a PUP has to use (just read a thread about delay increase from JAs), the gear differences/availability, the Job Abilities/Traits and maybe even the WSs available MNK but not PUP, I'd still say a MNK's damage is going to be enough to keep up with and probably even beat a good PUP who knows how to use their Auto.

Don't get me wrong, I've seen a few videos where a Sharpshot Auto was absolutely decimating mobs (granted, it was against birds) and adding increased DMG from the Master is only going to make the total dmg higher, but I've also seen MNKs who just do outstanding dmg consistently.

I don't see it causing too much trouble.

As for the OP, WAY back shortly after the NA release, I picked up the game and wanted to be this "tank" I kept hearing about. I wanted to be the protector of my groups. So, naturally, I wanted to go Paladin. Then, silly me, I found out Pally couldn't use Axes (I just LIKED Axes better than Swords lol) and I saw Warrior could tank fairly well.

For awhile, War/Mnk is f'in amazing. Never have problems with hate, don't take more dmg than a PLD does, and at the same time I dish out more than a PLD does.

However, I was bummed when I began reading all these threads about how a WAR's DD potential while tanking didn't make up for the lack of mitigation and just made the WHM's job harder, etc.

I would LOVE to see some boost to a WAR's tanking ability that doesn't involve having to be level 74 and relying on Shadows.

It's funny to go to the DNC forum and see the threads about DNC tanking. It sucks that DNCs and NINs (these flimsy little jobs with so little in the way of armor) are better tanks than WARs.

Breaks my heart.