Pixie Earring for Ridill/JoyeuseFollow

Damn.

Suppa/Pixie: No.

Suppa/Assault: Ok for ridill/joyeuse setup (TP gain only, weaponskill in brutal)

Edited, May 16th 2009 3:24pm by Demonviper

Check out Hollow earring if you want Accuracy and DEX. Or yeah Assault is good too.

Edit: Our=Out.. Damn typo sorry.


Edited, May 16th 2009 5:06pm by Skarwind

The only jobs I can think of that can make any use out of the Pixie Earring are Thief and Blue Mage, and I have my doubts on Blue Mage.

When I Swordchucked, I tended to use my Assault Earring instead of Brutal when I remembered it. I will say that using Brutal out of habit won't hurt you.

It doesn't matter how good it is. No real warrior would wear something called a pixie earring.

Pixie Earring is just lame hollow, fowling, assault, and hell even diabolos are better. Just because gear drops off KB does not make it good, only thf really should use it.

I know you're saying inb4 GAX but /Nin really will really make your damage cry. Ridill should be mainly used for 1 thing now, drk zerg. It's not terrible or anything but Ridill Wars are far from the pinnacle of their full potential.

I know that and no where did I say ridill was the best zerg weapon but if you have it from before it's pretty damn good for free.

Edited, May 17th 2009 2:08am by OrsonBastokChampion

Depending how often one zergs, and whether one has other jobs which can use it, I can see some drks "settling" for a Ridill. Sure, M. Kris will do better, but if you're only zerging once a month, and have warrior also, what's so wrong with a Ridill? IMO, nothing. Especially as you're most likely camping Faffhogg for other drops, too, for other people in your LS.

Diabolos's Earring RareExclusive
[Ear] All Races
Accuracy + 3
Dark Weather:
Accuracy -3 Magic Accuracy +2
Lv. 65 All Jobs

Hollow Earring RareExclusive
[Ear] All Races
DEX +2 Accuracy +3 Ranged Accuracy +3
Sword enhancement spell damage +3
Lv. 72 All Jobs

I use diabolo's earring on jobs that i cant use the assault earring or fowling on or w/e. the ethereal earrings unique stat was too good to pass up when the stats of hollow are just a little better than diabolo's. But yea really hollow is the best choice for your slot atm.



Edited, May 17th 2009 2:36pm by Xellith

Pixie is like near free lot >.> I got mine for 1 point, which is just being at 1 window.

If you don't have Suppa, wtf are you doing using Swordchucks in the first place?

I wish more people would think like this. Yes, WAR/SAM with GAX has potential to do more damage. However, in the last few days, the kind of dmg I have been doing whilst /NIN, I would have been DEAD long before, if I was /SAM GAX.

Ridill allows you to maintain a decent damage output and still have a hell of a lot of survivability. It allows you to go all out, balls to the wall, like you wish you could on /SAM, equivalent of riding Hasso and Retaliation 100% of the time and not holding back in the slightest when you pull hate.

People really need to stop hating on Ridill. Yes, it's great that GAX is so good now but the amount of people that continue to put down Ridill just to make themselves feel better for not having it, is just stupid (Yes, I used to be one of these people.)

It dramatically increases the job, almost on par with how a relic weapon can change your play style completely (hi2u apoc). But sure, if you guys want to carry on thinking it's useless, that's fine by me. Makes it less likely to be nerfed <3.

The LS gave me a choice between either the first Ridill or the first E.Body. Statistically, yes, the E.Body is better and I'm sure if I posted a thread here asking for you guy's advice, I would have been told E.Body. However, I do not regret my decision in the slightest and I would most certainly do it again.

That said, I still use my Great Axe for high def situations and Polearm when necessary. Warrior is the master of many weapons, not the master of one.


Edit: Just wanted to add this. I always used to suffer from the following dilemma with Great Axe:

1) WAR/SAM would do great damage and pull so much hate that I would be an MP sink or struggle to stay alive. So I'd want to switch to /NIN

2) WAR/NIN would do lesser damage and I'd almost never pull hate unless I did so intentionally (and I don't exactly have bad gear). This pretty much made the sub pointless to use because I was never using Utsusemi anyway.

3) So I'd go back to /SAM and once again get beaten into the ground, so I'd want to go back to /NIN.

4) Loop

I no longer suffer from this problem because I just go /NIN when it's convenient and /SAM when it's not. My damage difference is minimal between the two.


Edit2: Just to clear things up, everyone else passed Pixie Earring and it was free lot. I realise that Pixie Earring sucks but this thread has been very helpful because it opened up my eyes to the possibility that Brutal Earring isn't the end all, be all. So, thanks :)

Edited, May 17th 2009 8:21pm by TheSecretOfHorutoto

Good wars know when to /sam and when to /nin and know better than to suck down MP with hasso up when third eye and seigan are there waiting to be used.

Edited, May 18th 2009 2:05am by thatdamnelf

That's why I merited 8 Sword and 8 Great Axe.



This is total rubbish. The WARs in your LS just suck.

Edited, May 18th 2009 8:58am by TheSecretOfHorutoto

A correctly merited axe/sword or sword/sword war shouldn't need to resort to sushi on colibri, don't talk out of your ass.


Edited, May 18th 2009 5:44pm by Demonviper

Maybe not, but let's not fool anyone into thinking that merits alone are going to make up for the ACC you lose by going from GA to sword...

With full sword merits and suppa you sit at 271 skill vs. 292 skill of fully merited GA. That's a difference of 21 skill or 18.9 acc if you assume .9 acc per skill point after 200. (also let's not forget fortitude torque +7 skill)

If you have sword chucks it's pretty advisable to merit bergressor 5/5 so with aggressor up every 3:00 out of 4:10 which is a flat +25 acc boost the acc loss, while not negligible is certainly not THAT huge of a gap, especially for colibri which is what demonviper was referring to.

I suppose you could debate about GA having agressor up as well would make the difference but not really much so on colibri because with agressor up and assuming you're not geared like a moron you should be pretty near acc cap if not already at it.

tl:dr
Merits make all the difference. Especially for Dual-Wield.
(at least on lolcolibri which don't really count. HNM are a totally different discussion)

Edited, May 19th 2009 6:10am by Dynas

I thought it was generally accepted that as long as you were at ~85% acc eating meat was perfectly acceptable? You don't need to cap your acc to perform well.

I believe this is the Kenage symbol?

 
>>>--------> 

Now I'm no top notch mathematician and all but I am a thinker. With this setup you should be able to pull off meat fine on colibri:

Ridill/joy
Fire Bomblet
Askar Head
Fort. Torque/PCC
Suppa/Assault
Haubergeon
Askar Hands
Woodsman x2
Amemet +1
Swift Belt
Byakko's Haidate
Aurum Sabatons

Granted it's not your average AH setup but honestly if you have a Ridill/Joy combo I pray to god you have at least something close to this. Didn't include E.Body or +1's here either.

Set has 101 DEX, 43-46 acc depending on neck choice, and 17% haste vs. a level 82 mob with 337 EVA. Total acc is aruond 385.3 with Aggressor up which brings you to 85.1% acc against colibri.

Full disclosure: when Aggressor is down with this setup you drop down to around 72.6% acc, but that's why you fully merit Bergressor with swordchuck builds.

Basically all you need is about 50 acc points above the mob's evasion to get a decent hit rate. Now obviously with better gear like sniper +1's and E. Body will make this setup that much more ridiculous.

All I'm saying is it's possible.

Edited, May 18th 2009 3:21pm by Dynas

I don't see how I'm underestimating it, ya under the best of conditions you can do well with a Ridill. It's not low tier damage in the overall scheme of things. I've seen the results of Ridill builds vs GAX builds though and in most situations GAX comes out on top even with /Nin. Also you need to change maybe 3-4 pieces of gear for ridill vs. GAX so to say the builds are radically different wouldn't be quite accurate.

The main thing is though you shouldn't really use /Nin much. The only time you'll ever have use /Nin is on the rare HNM like Hydra or other rare fights. /Sam is more useful, has slightly lower damage mitigation, and yields far higher damage in most situations. So going after a Ridill build is really something more for fun if you get bored of GAX and /Sam. If you fall into that category then it boils down to, your time, your call.

Edited, May 18th 2009 1:48pm by OrsonBastokChampion

IDK what kind of awesome random pickup groups you're getting into but the only time I ever war/sam anymore is with my LS whom I've known for awhile now.

Reason why /nin is advocated strongly is because of all the random bullcrap/idiocy everyone encounters with random pickup groups is made much safer and reliable with shadows. Plus you save on oils/powder buying, with the ninja counterparts :P

Going /nin doesn't mean you can't equip a GA.


Edited, May 18th 2009 3:52pm by Dynas

DA vs. DW debate is always

I wanted to quote something that made me laugh in this thread but there were too many things.

From the ken signal that gets me every time, to man-ramming (use protection), to the pixe earring comment by sigue...

Oh, and by my math it doesn't matter what percentages your SA DA and TA are at, if brutal takes from both SA and TA procs evenly it will add NOTHING to your ridill. If he proved that it just takes from SAs then that's great (I'd like to see that proof), but even still it's greatly diminished benefits compared to using brutal on gaxe.

Of course I demand a ridill and a brutal earring immediately to test this myself.

But 10%DA adds 0.01 attacks per round??
it says from 1.91 attacks per round to 1.92...

So adding the 5% of Brutal will net you a grand total 1.925/1.92 = 0.5% attack increase... Not that great.