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#1 May 15 2009 at 4:40 AM Rating: Good
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Simply said, how do you go around to campaign?

I find out that even with /dnc, my survivability is quite low when im wielding a great axe. Usually mobs will lock down on me and ignore the world around them, and there is almost never anyone who will assist you with healing, only with making sure the mob can spam as many tp attacks as it can. The real problem is TP generation: I cant keep up enough tp to deal with mobs, especially DRK or BLM ones that tend to stick DoTs on you on top of everything.

God forbid if i bring /sam.

Anyway, i have found out that for me, one of the most effective ways has been to grab my joytoy and a shield, and go kill the mobs pld-like. That way i take damage, joytoy gives me enough tp to spam waltz when needed, and if i find i am having no trouble healing myself i switch to great axe. Switching also happens when someone somehow takes a mob off me.

It still doesnt net me as much xp as when im on pld, somehow. Also, it doesnt really survive well against 3 mobs or a NM the way PLD can. But i am finding it quite effective. Xp for dealing damage, Xp for taking damage, Xp for healing damage, Xp for activating my abilities.

So, what did you find that works for you?
#2 May 15 2009 at 4:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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I have to admit, after having done campaign as pld/dnc and thf/dnc, the thought of going as warrior just doesn't work for me. Yeah, I tried it, doing like you said with joytoy + shield, and it was ok, but pld and thf worked out so much better for me.
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Blue mage in campaign for me, but since this is the war forum, I would probably go war/dnc with defender on, a shield and some defense eq or perhaps an Iron ram lance. You should still be capping the max amount of exp for damage, while surviving.
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I have to admit, after having done campaign as pld/dnc and thf/dnc, the thought of going as warrior just doesn't work for me. Yeah, I tried it, doing like you said with joytoy + shield, and it was ok, but pld and thf worked out so much better for me.


Yeah. Its just that sometimes you have to be on war.

EX: when im LFP for merits. Not gonna get a invite as a PLD.
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Simply stated, I don't campaign anymore. Campaign suck *** for WAR. I prefer to go to Terrigan and do FoV. A page 1 takes me ~ 15 mins. Then I go to Kuftal and skill up on crabs. The beauty of this is that WAR/DNC can hold up to 3 crabs at once (although 2 is much safer, 3 is more exciting!) and retaliation pumps out skillups and TP for curing waltz. After ~ 40 mins I go back and do another FoV. This is a perfect rinse and repeat for seeking.

Each FoV earns me ~ 1800 xp (rabbits and Lizzies are EP) and I never really watched what I make off of crabs but if noone else is skilling up I can kill a bunch in 40 minutes. Crabs are also EP to the tune of 60 xp per mob w/ no band. If I had to guess I'd say I prolly push 3 to 4k per hour (between crabs and FoV) and don't have to deal with the hassles of campaign such as Dbags that don't cure, maxing out tags, mobs that take forever to get to the battlefield etc.

The nicest "under the radar" thing about this cycle is the loot. Last week I netted about 50 beast seals and 50 kindreds as well as a bunch of the brown coffers containg 5k gold ores and other random goodies. I even got a Pro ether +1 that I sold for 18k. I npc all the crab shells, lizard meat etc. and I always have crystals to throw up on the AH.

Long story short, although it may be possible to eeek out a bit more xp/hr in campaign, I always end up ****** off. FoV is just the lulz because retaliation means I get to absolutely SPAM RR for 1500 pts on rabbits and lizards which I hate, or SPAM penta thrust on crabs which I also hate. Oddly enough, doing a 1500 pt ws on a mob that gives xp never gets old. It sure beats getting countered to death by Conqueror Badonkadonk.

Edit: I forgot to mention that my parrying has gone up almost 20 points since I started doing this while LFP.



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#7 May 15 2009 at 7:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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WAR/DNC with Fortitude, I really don't understand the Joyeuse/shield idea. You would get more TP from Fortitude and Retaliations give more TP too. No good shields, can't even use Terror. 95% of the time I go BLU/RDM with DEF/PDT-%, it's pretty fun too, get hit for like 0-20 lol.

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RedshiftOnPandy wrote:
WAR/DNC with Fortitude, I really don't understand the Joyeuse/shield idea. You would get more TP from Fortitude and Retaliations give more TP too.


Farming for stones got old fast. Especially as, by comparison, I could use said stone on faith baghnaks mnk/dnc, which are just insanely good fun.
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WAR/DNC with Fortitude, I really don't understand the Joyeuse/shield idea. You would get more TP from Fortitude and Retaliations give more TP too. No good shields, can't even use Terror. 95% of the time I go BLU/RDM with DEF/PDT-%, it's pretty fun too, get hit for like 0-20 lol.

Edited, May 15th 2009 11:52am by RedshiftOnPandy


This.

Joy/Shield works well, but Fortitude Axe gives you more damage overall and a lot more TP. As far a shields, I picked up a Simba Buckler from Khromasoul ZNM. It's pretty good for defensive war. Higher defense than Sipar, and has some enmity to boot, as well as a very high block rate (read: good skillup shield)

I actually prefer Warrior to rdm in campaign, I don't know why.. but I tend to do alright. Whenever I am rdm I feel like I need to ungratefully help people just like I do in the rest of the game, so I prefer to just hit things with a great axe as war/dnc. The biggest threat to war/dnc are orcs, because of fucking counterstance, but even that is manageable enough.

I use a DD build until I take hate, then I just put on Askar feet, Osode, and other defensive pieces and use defender until I lose hate, then go back to DD set.

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Meh, I don't really have to farm stones because I only use them when I war/dnc in campaign, which is only to maintain wing of honor rank. Besides, you can solo sea mobs too and that gets you xp as well. Also, I wouldn't trust counterstance in Campaign because of the defense issue, and I don't think mnk could really perform any better there than I can as war, plus, I can tank better for more points.

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Meh, I don't really have to farm stones because I only use them when I war/dnc in campaign, which is only to maintain wing of honor rank. Besides, you can solo sea mobs too and that gets you xp as well. Also, I wouldn't trust counterstance in Campaign because of the defense issue, and I don't think mnk could really perform any better there than I can as war, plus, I can tank better for more points.


yeah, I'm finding mnk/dnc in campaign to be a bit... flakey, but like i said earlier, I'm used to pld/dnc and thf/dnc, which are both incredibly survivable combos in campaign. But, mnk/dnc has seen a lot of use for me in other things; I went from 73 > 75 soloing in cape terrigan while lfp, and faiths made exp/hour much better than when I was using Destroyers or Hades Sainti. And Faiths have strong uses outside of campaign too, so... yeah.

edit - pre-emptive bit of defense, here. Yes, my Destroyers were already unlocked, I'd had them for about two years before my mnk could equip them, and had used them skill up with so my mnk wasn't gimped from lots of soloing/campaign at lower levels, so that wasn't an issue.

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Also, I wouldn't trust counterstance in Campaign because of the defense issue, and I don't think mnk could really perform any better there than I can as war, plus, I can tank better for more points.


I find that counterstance tends to work better in Campaign than anywhere else. The difference in damage I take from counterstance up and down isn't that big, even from TP moves (granted I mainly fight Yagudos, and their TP moves aren't that strong). I don't have any counter merits, but with just my Cobra Cap and Subligar and the latent from the Kampfer Ring (replaces woodsman cause of the -eva on woods) I actually survive longer with Counterstance up than with it down (I don't know if that +4% counter really helps, but the placebo affect makes it feel like I counter a lot more. But I don't have a parser, so meh).

Of course my Campaign/solo armor isn't that great (replace earrings with dodge earrings, swap SH for Arakan, swap woodsman for Kampfer and that's it) but with AF boots dodge swap, counterstance, a few evasion pieces, and a few counter pieces I can survive almost indefinitely if I get lucky. I've had times where I've tanked like 3 mobs due to links and countered all but a few hits until someone took them off me, but I've also had times where I apparently just didn't feel like countering at all and have had to cancel counterstance to even stand a chance (lol rhyme).

WAR/DNC seems like it would be really good in Campaign, but there are so many contradictory responses here :(
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#18 May 15 2009 at 9:45 AM Rating: Good
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Job Change > MNK
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WAR/DNC seems like it would be really good in Campaign, but there are so many contradictory responses here :(


It *is* good; but, there are better combos, that's what I'm saying.
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WAR/DNC seems like it would be really good in Campaign, but there are so many contradictory responses here :(


It *is* good; but, there are better combos, that's what I'm saying.
PLD/DNC, DRG/BLU, BLU/RDM, RDM/NIN, SAM/DNC come to mind for best in campaign.
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Ah, okay. I had read the "I'd rather go as something else" as "WAR/DNC sucks in campaign so I use something else".
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lvling sch to 37 is just painful :( It's like playing a half-baked version of a whm or blm for the longest time. Nice to have, but unless you plan on levelling whm, I wouldn't bother. Unless you *like* playing mage jobs, of course, in which case allow me to stare at you in a slightly odd way.
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I have to admit, after having done campaign as pld/dnc and thf/dnc, the thought of going as warrior just doesn't work for me. Yeah, I tried it, doing like you said with joytoy + shield, and it was ok, but pld and thf worked out so much better for me.


Same for me...about all I campaign on anymore is WHM/NIN. I can get far more insane points on it than anything else I have.
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You dont have to like mage jobs to level scholar to 37. I pretty much used the hardest hitting staff for the level I was on, got some +att/str EQ and went to the front lines (2-handed weapon bonus - why not?). Sadly I was hitting harder than most people I was playing with. I used my MP to cure after fights (go FOV refresh, resting is obsolete at low levels).

Or you could do SMN burn parties if you dont want to play the job at all (after L13).

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my warrior as a higher dark magic skill as /sch than my rdm natively, and I can use merciful cape on it lol.

If you are fighting crabs, war/sch is probably more efficient than war/dnc, because you can just drain/aspir and regen II. I still stick as /dnc because I don't like risking it, and I haven't made a macro pallatte for it, but I have used it in besieged.



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I have seen a Balestarius on my server... maybe 2. I am convinced that they came from another server because I don't remember Bastok EVER taking all areas since Cracking Shells/Splitting Heirs came out. Also, seeing the difficulty of the fight from doing Splitting Heirs for myself, I don't see myself ever getting one... QQ
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Besides switching to paladin or redmage? when i do a battle on war, i sub /dnc, use joy/shield & build for defence, shield skill & haste, then pull mobs away from the forts and solo them down.
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I prefer to campaign on mnk, but sometimes I need to re-buffer war so I go:

war/dnc and use iron ram polearm thing... I don't take hate as much that way and generate TP quick enough to handle tanking easy mobs like No'Mhos Elite Guards.

When campaign was first introduced I used war/nin and spammed bloody bolts ... didn't really like throwing consumables at campaign though.
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