Askar Korazin, worth it?Follow

Nope.

Askar body's mostly for DRGs (who can't equip the clearly superior Haubergeon anyway)

Its a very nice piece. Situational though like the others stated. I use it for tp build in merits/limbus etc. I bring my hauby for Mamool merit pt's and other events that warrant + acc.

It's pretty, that's all it's good for.

If you're going to specifically make a change in your gear or construct another set to use askar body for low level mobs that you will bulldoze anyway, you should consider easier to obtain and less costly changes first.

Wherever askar may shine(cap acc situations, etc), an ugly, deprecated and forgotten byrnie will do it better.

There is though, an interesting use for Askar body, if you have polearm leveled and going /sam to the colibri camp(I would say VERY situational) askar could help you to archive 6-hit build for Penta(askar, rajas, brutal), which could be very nice, of course you will need to eat crab sushi instead of kabobs, but in return you can see pretty nasty numbers there, and for those interested on winning parses, thanks to retaliation we can perform a bit better than SAM/WAR with 5-hits and polearm, which is currently accepted maybe as the best damage there.

I hope it helps.

Ken.

Seriously

Cuz every 2-hand job (that doesn't parse, or is at least in the know) thinks they're a god that caps acc everywhere because DEX is magical.

I knew a moron who thought that Assault Jerkin was better for TPing in on his SAM, and Hauby was WS onry. Fortunately we kicked him from our ls and he moved server.

edit: Also aparently it's not just 2handers who believe this.

Edited, Mar 15th 2009 9:49pm by Nilatai

Well it would be refreshing from our omnipresent Osode-wars dual-wielding swords ;P

Ken.

and byakkos's haidate though - -q

So, if I've been chasing this body, specifically for an Agressor Up body swap, I'd be wasting my time, and would be better off using Byrnie instead?

3Str 20Att vs 5Str 12Att and 2% Double Attack?

I guess if you went 1 step further it would actually be Rajas/Byrnie vs Askar/Blitz for Aggressor Up, and the obviousy Haub/Rajas while down.
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Because it takes significant effort to obtain and has a low drop rate, so people are lulled into think that means it is valuable as an item (see denali head).

My question is do you guys feel this way b/c you dont have one?

I wear Askar Body to merits. I have a hauby and Heca Body. I have 299 Gaxe skill and I parse 92-93% acc at bird camps w/o songs. If im fighting something tougher I add acc. There are better items but the universal sentiment that its a crap item for War is going a little overboard IMO.

lolbravura. lolridill. lolconqueror. lolPCC. lolperdu.

Paraphrasing v2...

Chances are if you don't have Rajas or intend on choosing it as your CoP ring, you'll need the accuracy from your Hauby anyhow. It seems foolish to go for a 6 hit build before you even have the accuracy to support it. Really, its just not a wise a piece of gear to TP in unless you really do have enough ac to drop haub/haub+1.

Hmm, this is interesting.

I fail to understand why the DA on this is so negligible if acc is capped. Is it because we're already assuming someone has 21-22% DA and the increase isn't that noticable?

While I think hauby will win in most situations, I do think that people with good gear can pull it off successfully. With my gear and 8 GA merits I have 90% acc on birds (actual math against an average of level 81 and 82 birds). I dont have 3 big pieces that would give me more acc: Perdu Voulge, Bomblet, and Byakko's Haidate. These pieces give roughly 15 acc over what I have in those slots (Fourth Toporok, Bomb Core, and Askar Dirs), and hauby gives 13-14 acc depending on if the dex falls right or not. So without Raja's I could simply swap out hauby for askar and actually gain 1-2 points of acc (if I had those 3 pieces I had mentioned earlier) still leaving me at 90-91% (with aggressor down). With Hauby I'm almost wasting acc since I will be capped at all times. So if you happen to most of those pieces I see Askar as a fine replacement for Hauby since it will give you a 6 hit build. If you have Raja's ring though its a waste and just use something different.

Please note, learn how to calculate acc and see what yours is at before you decide to try swapping Askar for Hauby.

Askar head gives up 1% haste but returns to you STR+4 (attack+3 or 2) and DEX+4 (acc+3 or 2). Outside of high haste situations or capped acc situations, the increase to base damage, the attack/acc, and though it's almost unnoticable, the faint increase to crit rate is generally worth the loss.

Denali head gives up 1% haste but returns to you attack+3. That's it. Not worth it.

Two separate accounts of having 90%+ acc, but I started wondering about gear.

It's skewing the results to say you just has near cap acc. Chances are you are wearing some silly gear in other slots that could give you a bigger increase than askar from haub.

So if you're parsing at 90%+ what are you wearing to get that cap?

A war/sam with just 299, hasso, and 68 base dex is around 350, needing about 57 accuracy to hit cap on higher birds and around 48 on lower.

So you said you didn't have perdu, no acc from wep
Grip should probably be pole strap, no acc
You said you lacked bomblet, no acc
You might be using askar head, so 3 acc
Torque is included in skill
Brutal should probably be one earring
Second earring should be assault so 2
Body is askar you said, no acc
Gloves are probably dusk, no acc
Rings Sniper/ Rajas
Back forager's or AM+1 probably
Waist prolly swift
Legs you said were askar
Feets could be aurum

Now with that you're at 382 acc.

Let's swap in sniper's +1/torr rings, mythril grip +1, fowling instead of brutal, and cuch mantle. That would put that build above 90%+ on higher birds.

For the other case, upgrading to bomblet, perdu and byakko's haidate add some wiggle room. From 299 skill, on top of those three, adding aurum, swift, assault, mythril grip +1, askar head, and assault earring would put you just into 90% acc on higher birds.

I don't know about your builds, but I would guess that askar's 2% DA would not outweigh haub's acc bonus. Maybe you're a merited mithra with dex merits, then maybe your acc would be closer to 90% in ideal gear.

But Joe Schmoe sitting at 292 skill without perdu, bomblet, byakko's haidate, or aurum, etc would not be able to pull that off. It is more than just aiming to hit 95% accuracy and then rearranging your gear, you want to get the biggest bang for your buck, and haub is a hell of a bang for a single slot regardless of what else you have.

Edited, Mar 16th 2009 2:21pm by Requim

My 6-hit TP build is here: http://www.ffxiah.com/item_sets.php?id=58488

Or for convenience:

Perdu Voulge (5ACC)
Pole Grip
Fire Bomblet (6ACC)
Askar head (3 ACC from DEX)
Peacock Charm (10ACC)
Brutal Earring
Assault Earring (2ACC)
Askar body
Dusk Gloves
Ecphoria Ring (4ACC, for full 7STP)
Sniper's Ring (5ACC)
Cerberus Mantle
Swift Belt (3ACC)
Byakko's Haidate (11ACC from DEX)
Dusk feet (need Aurum)

So 49ACC from gear, directly and from DEX.

Base DEX as a Mithra is 75. GAxe is fully merited. So between those things, 338ACC, 348 base with Hasso up. Plus gear, 387-397 accuracy (depending on Hasso or not), with Aggressor down.
With Aggressor up, obviously, another 25 on top of that, which would more than cap accuracy on birds. Parsed average will, of course, be a combination of Aggressor and no-Aggressor, so the overall should be in the low 90s.



I agree to a large extent with that. My point with it (and I know you weren't really responding directly to me, but I'd made similar claims), is that for those with the setup to pull it off, it can work for 6-hit in a lot of lower end situations at least (merits, Nyzul, Limbus, Dynamis, etc). So for WARs in a similar situation to myself, it could find some viable use outside of town gear.

Ya, the lower the accuracy needed the more it can shine. A war has a huge amount of accuracy from just being A+ merited two hander so in some limbus or other low man things you might not even need any acc gear outside of your haste gear.

The key is the total umpf to your build from a gear swap. Haste has increasing returns, so depending on how much haste you have it could be more important. Store tp definitely has a tier that can make a larger difference once you drop a hit.

Just because you have the accuracy to support askar korazin or whatever, doesn't mean that you wold be best off by swapping to it, sometimes other slots could drop acc to get something better. But there are definitely some situations that could make use of it.

I dont like this topic anymore because it's getting petty, so I'm going to introduce a new one!


Does anyone think a war/dnc could solo king arthro? with a 50ish NPC healer?

Thoughts? I'm thinking of having a whack at it.

It's typical MMO behavior.

Really, everyone knows that the Haub has better stats than the Korazin at face value. It just provides a crap load more. But you're right, the Korazin has situational applications that make it a good choice if you can meet the requirements. Of course, by standard MMO trends, if it's situational then it sucks and isn't worth it.

I'd love to have it myself. I wouldn't use it all the time but I would when the situation arises it.

You don't cap at 381 (don't include Hasso into ACC total). You know why? Because I don't cap at 400. There is no reason to use Askar over Haubergeon. And I don't think you understand how Aggressor merits work (or high school math) if you think you have it up for 3.5 out of 5 mins.

Aquan killer, good call.

Would use joytoy if I had one, but unfortunately I don't. I by no means have the optimal gear for this attempt but I thought I'd give it a whack. I'm gonna save my 2h for his hundred fists, that way retaliations will be at max damage during it.

Also, gonna save tp as much as possible and try get by without ws.

This is all presuming I can get a claim which is unlikely at best.